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Battle Action Harem Highschool Side Character Quest (No SV, you are the Waifu)

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Havocfett said:
Don't overstate it, people have different priorities and a different analysis of the situation based on their own view of it. They're not aiming to undo Anna's progress, they just think that the Difficult Scenario is the better way to achieve it.
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On an emotional level I want Anna to recover and be happy but on in intellectual level I understand that she is not real and that I enjoy watching her suffer and struggle with her problems. So while I want her to get better I want it to be hard and full of drama. Possibly with a few breakdowns here and there that set her back progress wise.
 
Current vote tally, for those interested:
Vote tally:
##### 3.21
[x]Vae Victus (Humanity has lost. Earth burns. Protect the Major Arcologies as they lift off. Until at least one passes Lunar Orbit. Humanity will remember your sacrifice.)
No. of votes: 4
kellanved, JoshieWoshie, mc2rpg, Lost Egos

[x]Use everything. No mercy, no calculus, no hesitation. No risk to the others. All you need is kill.
No. of votes: 16
kellanved, Ragnar, Chronic, Gore17, Bki, JoshieWoshie, kylina, mc2rpg, meganeshounen, Cassiemouse, Lost Egos, jacobk, Delwgun, Tavarokk, EternalLight, GulibleLeprecon

[X]Historic Scenarios (Difficult to Impossible)
No. of votes: 9
dpara, Chronic, Bki, Cassiemouse, Nervos Belli, Cuddles, SometimesMaybe, Bozwevial, GulibleLeprecon

-[X]One small step for man (Objective. Protect lunar base Armstrong from attack until Valkyrie Battleship Gomorrah activates.)
No. of votes: 1
dpara

[X]Hold back. Allow the others to do most of the work, see if Sandra can put her money where her mouth is. You're still going to intervene if you see one of them in danger though.
No. of votes: 44
dpara, Kerfitd, Aeondrac, GaleBread, Seventeen, marids, Nervos Belli, Cuddles, Serous, wingstrike96, Hazard, SometimesMaybe, bdun140, Artantasys, Bozwevial, Archanist, Nagon, NotAlwaysFanfic, Tornadohunter, Dragonloli123, TheFourthman, anowack, Alfa290, Havocfett, Candesce, Bag of Bones, Ridiculously Average Guy, Mizu, Sasha, Ginger Maniac, skaianDestiny, Prent, joe6168, Redshirt Army, Bulldog18, Dirtnap, Aranfan, RandomLurker, XavierIII, rikalous, HidCyan, Velocirampage, Nave, Random Asian Person

[X]Randomly generated scenario
No. of votes: 35
Restalaan, Kerfitd, Aeondrac, Gore17, Seventeen, Devran, marids, Serous, wingstrike96, Hazard, Artantasys, LightMage, Goldenlima, Bloodalchemy, Archanist, King_Rule, NotAlwaysFanfic, Cogsprocket, Felipe Melo, TopHattedZombie, Octol, Tornadohunter, Vanguard_D, Chaosbrain, Eisenstein80060, core_88, Yun, Dragonloli123, Alfa290, UberJJK, RandomLurker, Nidhoggr, qsurf, Enjou, AZATHOTHoth

-[X]Difficult
No. of votes: 34
Restalaan, Kerfitd, Aeondrac, Seventeen, Devran, marids, Serous, wingstrike96, Hazard, Artantasys, LightMage, Goldenlima, Bloodalchemy, Archanist, Nagon, King_Rule, NotAlwaysFanfic, Dark Abstraction, Cogsprocket, Felipe Melo, TopHattedZombie, Octol, Tornadohunter, Vanguard_D, Chaosbrain, Eisenstein80060, core_88, Dragonloli123, Alfa290, UberJJK, RandomLurker, Nidhoggr, Enjou, AZATHOTHoth

[X] Since there are two aces in the flight now, would you like Shuri and I to hold back further? Or should we stop for the next exercise and decide after that?
No. of votes: 77
Restalaan, meganeshounen, LightMage, Goldenlima, Clarvel, Bloodalchemy, Nagon, King_Rule, NotAlwaysFanfic, Dark Abstraction, Cogsprocket, Felipe Melo, Guile, TopHattedZombie, Octol, Delcer, Vanguard_D, Chaosbrain, Eisenstein80060, core_88, Yun, Jiven, Vebyast, Hannz, racnor, Razauq, Interested Party, Conjured Blade, notanautomaton, OneirosTheWriter, cyberswordsmen, SynchronizedWritersBlock, Slith10, veekie, Chimeraguard, Camellia, Perplexed moth, Paper Weasel, ultima333, UberJJK, notgreat, elenchus, Alphaleph, Blaze121o, ArchRegis, defenestrator, khang, CeBrudras, Nidhoggr, Dark as Silver, Demotivator, dontpressenter, qsurf, SETIFAN, Koden, Kliden, Guilop, NotAKobold, boonerunner, Pipeman, chocolote12, NuclearConsensus, Stahor, Inglorien, Nottheunmaker, numina, Zhead, xenondestroyer, Scia, sesbio, Enjou, dash931, Stormwhite, EmpirePlayer, Varano, AZATHOTHoth, Atomic Aztec

[X]Battle of Britain (Survival/Objective. Hold the island until the first of the 300 frames arrive.)
No. of votes: 4
Ragnar, GaleBread, bdun140, Tavarokk

[X]First Contact (Survival. As the name suggests. Survive the Antagonist attacks, protect the ICBMs on terminal approach, survive the resulting explosions)
No. of votes: 2
Chronic, Bki

[X]Hold the Line (Survival/Objective. A military installation must be protected as long as possible while they finish a weapon that can win the war. Antagonists are attacking in endless waves of increasing size and danger, eventually attacking with the support of Type Zero's.)
No. of votes: 1
Gore17

[X]Uralsk Massacre (Survival/Objective. First human attack on a Breach. Succeed.)
No. of votes: 8
meganeshounen, Cassiemouse, Delwgun, EternalLight, Nagon, Dark Abstraction, Cogsprocket, GulibleLeprecon

[X]Once more unto the Breach (Objective. The Elazig Breach is ahead, Type Zero Indra is behind. Destroy the Breach before you are destroyed.)
No. of votes: 4
Nervos Belli, Cuddles, SometimesMaybe, Bozwevial

[X]Future Simulated Scenarios (Varies)
No. of votes: 1
jacobk

[X]Manifest Destiny (The West Coast is now under human control. With only the major breaches left and isolated, clear a path to the East Coast of the North American Continent.)
No. of votes: 1
jacobk

[X]Historic Scenarios (Moderate)
No. of votes: 76
Clarvel, anowack, Vebyast, Havocfett, Candesce, Bag of Bones, eraserman, Ridiculously Average Guy, Mizu, Sasha, Ginger Maniac, skaianDestiny, Hannz, racnor, Prent, Razauq, Hanashinobi, joe6168, Redshirt Army, Robotninja, Conjured Blade, notanautomaton, cyberswordsmen, SynchronizedWritersBlock, Bulldog18, The Sylentnight, Slith10, ........, Wander, veekie, Chimeraguard, Camellia, Perplexed moth, ultima333, Dirtnap, elenchus, Alphaleph, Blaze121o, Aranfan, ArchRegis, defenestrator, khang, Drasis, CeBrudras, Dark as Silver, Demotivator, dontpressenter, SETIFAN, Koden, Kliden, XavierIII, rikalous, HidCyan, Velocirampage, Guilop, NotAKobold, boonerunner, Nave, Pipeman, chocolote12, Olivebirdy, NuclearConsensus, Stahor, Inglorien, Nottheunmaker, numina, Zhead, xenondestroyer, Scia, sesbio, dash931, Stormwhite, EmpirePlayer, Varano, Atomic Aztec, Random Asian Person

-[X]Single Sweep (Objective. Fairbanks Breach has been subjugated and Saskatoon Breach has been destroyed by unknown means, the flank is secure, San Francisco Breach is vulnerable, sweep down the coast.)
No. of votes: 75
Clarvel, Vebyast, Havocfett, Candesce, Bag of Bones, eraserman, Ridiculously Average Guy, Mizu, Sasha, Ginger Maniac, skaianDestiny, Hannz, racnor, Prent, Razauq, Hanashinobi, joe6168, Redshirt Army, Robotninja, Conjured Blade, notanautomaton, cyberswordsmen, SynchronizedWritersBlock, Bulldog18, The Sylentnight, Slith10, ........, Wander, veekie, Chimeraguard, Camellia, Perplexed moth, ultima333, Dirtnap, elenchus, Alphaleph, Blaze121o, Aranfan, ArchRegis, defenestrator, khang, Drasis, CeBrudras, Dark as Silver, Demotivator, dontpressenter, SETIFAN, Koden, Kliden, XavierIII, rikalous, HidCyan, Velocirampage, Guilop, NotAKobold, boonerunner, Nave, Pipeman, chocolote12, Olivebirdy, NuclearConsensus, Stahor, Inglorien, Nottheunmaker, numina, Zhead, xenondestroyer, Scia, sesbio, dash931, Stormwhite, EmpirePlayer, Varano, Atomic Aztec, Random Asian Person

[X] Either one of
No. of votes: 1
Cogsprocket

[X] Moderate
No. of votes: 2
Yun, qsurf

[X]Blitzkrieg (Search and Destroy. The Three Hundred Frames have devastated Antagonist forces across the entire European front. Uralsk breach was destroyed. March for either the Moscow or Elazig breaches, destroy every Antagonist you find.)
No. of votes: 2
TheFourthman, anowack

-[X] Suggest matching their kill counts perfectly to make sure you don't disturb the exercise in either direction.
No. of votes: 2
Vebyast, qsurf

[x]Allow the others to do most of the work, see if Sandra can put her money where her mouth is. You're still going to intervene if you see one of them in danger though.
No. of votes: 2
The Sylentnight, Wander

-[X] If hold back: Single Sweep
No. of votes: 1
notgreat

-[X] If all-out: Uralsk Massacre
No. of votes: 1
notgreat
 
##### 3.19
[x]Vae Victus (Humanity has lost. Earth burns. Protect the Major Arcologies as they lift off. Until at least one passes Lunar Orbit. Humanity will remember your sacrifice.)
[x]Use everything. No mercy, no calculus, no hesitation. No risk to the others. All you need is kill.
No. of votes: 4
kellanved, JoshieWoshie, mc2rpg, Lost Egos
[X]Historic Scenarios (Difficult to Impossible)
-[X]One small step for man (Objective. Protect lunar base Armstrong from attack until Valkyrie Battleship Gomorrah activates.)
[X]Hold back. Allow the others to do most of the work, see if Sandra can put her money where her mouth is. You're still going to intervene if you see one of them in danger though.
No. of votes: 1
dpara
[X]Randomly generated scenario
-[X]Difficult
[X] Since there are two aces in the flight now, would you like Shuri and I to hold back further? Or should we stop for the next exercise and decide after that?
No. of votes: 16
Restalaan, LightMage, Goldenlima, Bloodalchemy, King_Rule, Felipe Melo, TopHattedZombie, Octol, Vanguard_D, Chaosbrain, Eisenstein80060, core_88, UberJJK, Nidhoggr, Enjou, AZATHOTHoth
[x] Randomly generated scenario
[x] Difficult
[x] Hold back. Allow the others to do most of the work, see if Sandra can put her money where her mouth is. You're still going to intervene if you see one of them in danger though.
No. of votes: 13
Kerfitd, Aeondrac, Seventeen, marids, Serous, wingstrike96, Hazard, Artantasys, Archanist, Tornadohunter, Dragonloli123, Alfa290, RandomLurker
[X]Battle of Britain (Survival/Objective. Hold the island until the first of the 300 frames arrive.)
[X]Use everything. No mercy, no calculus, no hesitation. No risk to the others. All you need is kill.
No. of votes: 2
Ragnar, Tavarokk
[X]Battle of Britain (Survival/Objective. Hold the island until the first of the 300 frames arrive.)
[X]Hold back. Allow the others to do most of the work, see if Sandra can put her money where her mouth is. You're still going to intervene if you see one of them in danger though.
No. of votes: 2
GaleBread, bdun140
[X]Historic Scenarios (Difficult to Impossible)
[X]First Contact (Survival. As the name suggests. Survive the Antagonist attacks, protect the ICBMs on terminal approach, survive the resulting explosions)
[X]Use everything. No mercy, no calculus, no hesitation. No risk to the others. All you need is kill.
No. of votes: 2
Chronic, Bki
[X]Randomly generated scenario
[X]Hold the Line (Survival/Objective. A military installation must be protected as long as possible while they finish a weapon that can win the war. Antagonists are attacking in endless waves of increasing size and danger, eventually attacking with the support of Type Zero's.)
[X]Use everything. No mercy, no calculus, no hesitation. No risk to the others. All you need is kill.
No. of votes: 1
Gore17
[X]Randomly generated scenario
-[X]Difficult
No. of votes: 1
Devran
[X]Use everything. No mercy, no calculus, no hesitation. No risk to the others. All you need is kill.
No. of votes: 1
kylina
[X]Uralsk Massacre (Survival/Objective. First human attack on a Breach. Succeed.)
[X]Use everything. No mercy, no calculus, no hesitation. No risk to the others. All you need is kill.
[X] Since there are two aces in the flight now, would you like Shuri and I to hold back further? Or should we stop for the next exercise and decide after that?
No. of votes: 1
meganeshounen
[X]Historic Scenarios (Difficult to Impossible)
-[X] Uralsk Massacre (Survival/Objective. First human attack on a Breach. Succeed.)
[X] Use everything. No mercy, no calculus, no hesitation. No risk to the others. All you need is kill.
No. of votes: 2
Cassiemouse, GulibleLeprecon
[X]Historic Scenarios (Difficult to Impossible)
[X]Once more unto the Breach (Objective. The Elazig Breach is ahead, Type Zero Indra is behind. Destroy the Breach before you are destroyed.)
[X]Hold back. Allow the others to do most of the work, see if Sandra can put her money where her mouth is. You're still going to intervene if you see one of them in danger though.
No. of votes: 4
Nervos Belli, Cuddles, SometimesMaybe, Bozwevial
[X]Future Simulated Scenarios (Varies)
[X]Manifest Destiny (The West Coast is now under human control. With only the major breaches left and isolated, clear a path to the East Coast of the North American Continent.)
[X]Use everything. No mercy, no calculus, no hesitation. No risk to the others. All you need is kill.
No. of votes: 1
jacobk
[X]Uralsk Massacre (Survival/Objective. First human attack on a Breach. Succeed.)
[X]Use everything. No mercy, no calculus, no hesitation. No risk to the others. All you need is kill.
No. of votes: 2
Delwgun, EternalLight
[X]Historic Scenarios (Moderate)
-[X]Single Sweep (Objective. Fairbanks Breach has been subjugated and Saskatoon Breach has been destroyed by unknown means, the flank is secure, San Francisco Breach is vulnerable, sweep down the coast.)
[X] Since there are two aces in the flight now, would you like Shuri and I to hold back further? Or should we stop for the next exercise and decide after that?
No. of votes: 46
Clarvel, Hannz, racnor, Razauq, Conjured Blade, notanautomaton, cyberswordsmen, SynchronizedWritersBlock, Slith10, veekie, Chimeraguard, Camellia, Perplexed moth, ultima333, elenchus, Alphaleph, Blaze121o, ArchRegis, defenestrator, khang, CeBrudras, Dark as Silver, Demotivator, dontpressenter, SETIFAN, Koden, Kliden, Guilop, NotAKobold, boonerunner, Pipeman, chocolote12, NuclearConsensus, Stahor, Inglorien, Nottheunmaker, numina, Zhead, xenondestroyer, Scia, sesbio, dash931, Stormwhite, EmpirePlayer, Varano, Atomic Aztec
[X]Uralsk Massacre (Survival/Objective. First human attack on a Breach. Succeed.)
[X]Difficult
[X]Hold back. Allow the others to do most of the work, see if Sandra can put her money where her mouth is. You're still going to intervene if you see one of them in danger though.
[X]Since there are two aces in the flight now, would you like Shuri and I to hold back further? Or should we stop for the next exercise and decide after that?
No. of votes: 1
Nagon
[X] Randomly generated scenario
-[X] Difficult
[X] Hold back. Allow the others to do most of the work, see if Sandra can put her money where her mouth is. You're still going to intervene if you see one of them in danger though.
-[X] Since there are two aces in the flight now, would you like Shuri and I to hold back further? Or should we stop for the next exercise and decide after that?
No. of votes: 1
NotAlwaysFanfic
[X]Uralsk Massacre (Survival/Objective. First human attack on a Breach. Succeed.)
[X]Difficult
[X] Since there are two aces in the flight now, would you like Shuri and I to hold back further? Or should we stop for the next exercise and decide after that?
No. of votes: 1
Dark Abstraction
[X] Either one of
-[X]Uralsk Massacre (Survival/Objective. First human attack on a Breach. Succeed.)
-[X]Randomly generated scenario
-[X]Difficult
[X]Since there are two aces in the flight now, would you like Shuri and I to hold back further? Or should we stop for the next exercise and decide after that?
No. of votes: 1
Cogsprocket
[X] Since there are two aces in the flight now, would you like Shuri and I to hold back further? Or should we stop for the next exercise and decide after that?
No. of votes: 6
Guile, Delcer, Jiven, Interested Party, OneirosTheWriter, Paper Weasel
[X] Randomly generated scenario
[X] Moderate
[X]Since there are two aces in the flight now, would you like Shuri and I to hold back further? Or should we stop for the next exercise and decide after that?
No. of votes: 1
Yun
[X]Blitzkrieg (Search and Destroy. The Three Hundred Frames have devastated Antagonist forces across the entire European front. Uralsk breach was destroyed. March for either the Moscow or Elazig breaches, destroy every Antagonist you find.)
[X]Hold back. Allow the others to do most of the work, see if Sandra can put her money where her mouth is. You're still going to intervene if you see one of them in danger though.
No. of votes: 1
TheFourthman
[X]Historic Scenarios (Moderate)
[X]Blitzkrieg (Search and Destroy. The Three Hundred Frames have devastated Antagonist forces across the entire European front. Uralsk breach was destroyed. March for either the Moscow or Elazig breaches, destroy every Antagonist you find.)
[X]Hold back. Allow the others to do most of the work, see if Sandra can put her money where her mouth is. You're still going to intervene if you see one of them in danger though.
No. of votes: 1
anowack
[X] Since there are two aces in the flight now, would you like Shuri and I to hold back further? Or should we stop for the next exercise and decide after that?
-[X] Suggest matching their kill counts perfectly to make sure you don't disturb the exercise in either direction.
[X]Historic Scenarios (Moderate)
-[X]Single Sweep (Objective. Fairbanks Breach has been subjugated and Saskatoon Breach has been destroyed by unknown means, the flank is secure, San Francisco Breach is vulnerable, sweep down the coast.)
No. of votes: 1
Vebyast
[X]Historic Scenarios (Moderate)
[X]Single Sweep (Objective. Fairbanks Breach has been subjugated and Saskatoon Breach has been destroyed by unknown means, the flank is secure, San Francisco Breach is vulnerable, sweep down the coast.)
[X]Hold back. Allow the others to do most of the work, see if Sandra can put her money where her mouth is. You're still going to intervene if you see one of them in danger though.
No. of votes: 20
Havocfett, Candesce, Bag of Bones, Ridiculously Average Guy, Mizu, Sasha, Ginger Maniac, skaianDestiny, Prent, joe6168, Redshirt Army, Bulldog18, Dirtnap, Aranfan, XavierIII, rikalous, HidCyan, Velocirampage, Nave, Random Asian Person
[X]Historic Scenarios (Moderate)
[X]Single Sweep (Objective. Fairbanks Breach has been subjugated and Saskatoon Breach has been destroyed by unknown means, the flank is secure, San Francisco Breach is vulnerable, sweep down the coast.)
No. of votes: 6
eraserman, Hanashinobi, Robotninja, ........, Drasis, Olivebirdy
[X]Historic Scenarios (Moderate)
[X]Single Sweep (Objective. Fairbanks Breach has been subjugated and Saskatoon Breach has been destroyed by unknown means, the flank is secure, San Francisco Breach is vulnerable, sweep down the coast.)
[x]Allow the others to do most of the work, see if Sandra can put her money where her mouth is. You're still going to intervene if you see one of them in danger though.
No. of votes: 2
The Sylentnight, Wander
[X] Since there are two aces in the flight now, would you like Shuri and I to hold back further? Or should we stop for the next exercise and decide after that?
-[X] If hold back: Single Sweep
-[X] If all-out: Uralsk Massacre
No. of votes: 1
notgreat
[X] Since there are two aces in the flight now, would you like Shuri and I to hold back further? Or should we stop for the next exercise and decide after that?
-[X] Suggest matching their kill counts perfectly to make sure you don't disturb the exercise in either direction.
[X]Randomly generated scenario
[X]Moderate
No. of votes: 1
qsurf

I'm counting 143 votes.
Do we really have 143 votes? :o
 
Cassiemouse said:
On an emotional level I want Anna to recover and be happy but on in intellectual level I understand that she is not real and that I enjoy watching her suffer and struggle with her problems. So while I want her to get better I want it to be hard and full of drama. Possibly with a few breakdowns here and there that set her back progress wise.
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On an intellectual level, I understand that you wish for an interesting quest, filled with action and drama, and know that you believe that causing Anna suffering is the best way to achieve that. On an emotional level I want to stretch out my hand through the internet and slap you silly, because her recovering is going to be hard enough as it is, even with Durga there to help screen out bad thoughts and generally provide invisible emotional support.
 
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Also, while I agree that a spectacular flaming wreck is very entertaining to read... it would also involve several updates of cleaning up afterwards. And most players don't like reading that, or at least from what I gathered from quests in general. People don't like dealing with the fallout of other people's fuck up, intentional or not, and it'll definitely drive players away.

It's a choice between instant gratification and long-term enjoyment.
 
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ultima333 said:
##### 3.19
[x]Vae Victus (Humanity has lost. Earth burns. Protect the Major Arcologies as they lift off. Until at least one passes Lunar Orbit. Humanity will remember your sacrifice.)
[x]Use everything. No mercy, no calculus, no hesitation. No risk to the others. All you need is kill.
No. of votes: 4
kellanved, JoshieWoshie, mc2rpg, Lost Egos
[X]Historic Scenarios (Difficult to Impossible)
-[X]One small step for man (Objective. Protect lunar base Armstrong from attack until Valkyrie Battleship Gomorrah activates.)
[X]Hold back. Allow the others to do most of the work, see if Sandra can put her money where her mouth is. You're still going to intervene if you see one of them in danger though.
No. of votes: 1
dpara
[X]Randomly generated scenario
-[X]Difficult
[X] Since there are two aces in the flight now, would you like Shuri and I to hold back further? Or should we stop for the next exercise and decide after that?
No. of votes: 16
Restalaan, LightMage, Goldenlima, Bloodalchemy, King_Rule, Felipe Melo, TopHattedZombie, Octol, Vanguard_D, Chaosbrain, Eisenstein80060, core_88, UberJJK, Nidhoggr, Enjou, AZATHOTHoth
[x] Randomly generated scenario
[x] Difficult
[x] Hold back. Allow the others to do most of the work, see if Sandra can put her money where her mouth is. You're still going to intervene if you see one of them in danger though.
No. of votes: 13
Kerfitd, Aeondrac, Seventeen, marids, Serous, wingstrike96, Hazard, Artantasys, Archanist, Tornadohunter, Dragonloli123, Alfa290, RandomLurker
[X]Battle of Britain (Survival/Objective. Hold the island until the first of the 300 frames arrive.)
[X]Use everything. No mercy, no calculus, no hesitation. No risk to the others. All you need is kill.
No. of votes: 2
Ragnar, Tavarokk
[X]Battle of Britain (Survival/Objective. Hold the island until the first of the 300 frames arrive.)
[X]Hold back. Allow the others to do most of the work, see if Sandra can put her money where her mouth is. You're still going to intervene if you see one of them in danger though.
No. of votes: 2
GaleBread, bdun140
[X]Historic Scenarios (Difficult to Impossible)
[X]First Contact (Survival. As the name suggests. Survive the Antagonist attacks, protect the ICBMs on terminal approach, survive the resulting explosions)
[X]Use everything. No mercy, no calculus, no hesitation. No risk to the others. All you need is kill.
No. of votes: 2
Chronic, Bki
[X]Randomly generated scenario
[X]Hold the Line (Survival/Objective. A military installation must be protected as long as possible while they finish a weapon that can win the war. Antagonists are attacking in endless waves of increasing size and danger, eventually attacking with the support of Type Zero's.)
[X]Use everything. No mercy, no calculus, no hesitation. No risk to the others. All you need is kill.
No. of votes: 1
Gore17
[X]Randomly generated scenario
-[X]Difficult
No. of votes: 1
Devran
[X]Use everything. No mercy, no calculus, no hesitation. No risk to the others. All you need is kill.
No. of votes: 1
kylina
[X]Uralsk Massacre (Survival/Objective. First human attack on a Breach. Succeed.)
[X]Use everything. No mercy, no calculus, no hesitation. No risk to the others. All you need is kill.
[X] Since there are two aces in the flight now, would you like Shuri and I to hold back further? Or should we stop for the next exercise and decide after that?
No. of votes: 1
meganeshounen
[X]Historic Scenarios (Difficult to Impossible)
-[X] Uralsk Massacre (Survival/Objective. First human attack on a Breach. Succeed.)
[X] Use everything. No mercy, no calculus, no hesitation. No risk to the others. All you need is kill.
No. of votes: 2
Cassiemouse, GulibleLeprecon
[X]Historic Scenarios (Difficult to Impossible)
[X]Once more unto the Breach (Objective. The Elazig Breach is ahead, Type Zero Indra is behind. Destroy the Breach before you are destroyed.)
[X]Hold back. Allow the others to do most of the work, see if Sandra can put her money where her mouth is. You're still going to intervene if you see one of them in danger though.
No. of votes: 4
Nervos Belli, Cuddles, SometimesMaybe, Bozwevial
[X]Future Simulated Scenarios (Varies)
[X]Manifest Destiny (The West Coast is now under human control. With only the major breaches left and isolated, clear a path to the East Coast of the North American Continent.)
[X]Use everything. No mercy, no calculus, no hesitation. No risk to the others. All you need is kill.
No. of votes: 1
jacobk
[X]Uralsk Massacre (Survival/Objective. First human attack on a Breach. Succeed.)
[X]Use everything. No mercy, no calculus, no hesitation. No risk to the others. All you need is kill.
No. of votes: 2
Delwgun, EternalLight
[X]Historic Scenarios (Moderate)
-[X]Single Sweep (Objective. Fairbanks Breach has been subjugated and Saskatoon Breach has been destroyed by unknown means, the flank is secure, San Francisco Breach is vulnerable, sweep down the coast.)
[X] Since there are two aces in the flight now, would you like Shuri and I to hold back further? Or should we stop for the next exercise and decide after that?
No. of votes: 46
Clarvel, Hannz, racnor, Razauq, Conjured Blade, notanautomaton, cyberswordsmen, SynchronizedWritersBlock, Slith10, veekie, Chimeraguard, Camellia, Perplexed moth, ultima333, elenchus, Alphaleph, Blaze121o, ArchRegis, defenestrator, khang, CeBrudras, Dark as Silver, Demotivator, dontpressenter, SETIFAN, Koden, Kliden, Guilop, NotAKobold, boonerunner, Pipeman, chocolote12, NuclearConsensus, Stahor, Inglorien, Nottheunmaker, numina, Zhead, xenondestroyer, Scia, sesbio, dash931, Stormwhite, EmpirePlayer, Varano, Atomic Aztec
[X]Uralsk Massacre (Survival/Objective. First human attack on a Breach. Succeed.)
[X]Difficult
[X]Hold back. Allow the others to do most of the work, see if Sandra can put her money where her mouth is. You're still going to intervene if you see one of them in danger though.
[X]Since there are two aces in the flight now, would you like Shuri and I to hold back further? Or should we stop for the next exercise and decide after that?
No. of votes: 1
Nagon
[X] Randomly generated scenario
-[X] Difficult
[X] Hold back. Allow the others to do most of the work, see if Sandra can put her money where her mouth is. You're still going to intervene if you see one of them in danger though.
-[X] Since there are two aces in the flight now, would you like Shuri and I to hold back further? Or should we stop for the next exercise and decide after that?
No. of votes: 1
NotAlwaysFanfic
[X]Uralsk Massacre (Survival/Objective. First human attack on a Breach. Succeed.)
[X]Difficult
[X] Since there are two aces in the flight now, would you like Shuri and I to hold back further? Or should we stop for the next exercise and decide after that?
No. of votes: 1
Dark Abstraction
[X] Either one of
-[X]Uralsk Massacre (Survival/Objective. First human attack on a Breach. Succeed.)
-[X]Randomly generated scenario
-[X]Difficult
[X]Since there are two aces in the flight now, would you like Shuri and I to hold back further? Or should we stop for the next exercise and decide after that?
No. of votes: 1
Cogsprocket
[X] Since there are two aces in the flight now, would you like Shuri and I to hold back further? Or should we stop for the next exercise and decide after that?
No. of votes: 6
Guile, Delcer, Jiven, Interested Party, OneirosTheWriter, Paper Weasel
[X] Randomly generated scenario
[X] Moderate
[X]Since there are two aces in the flight now, would you like Shuri and I to hold back further? Or should we stop for the next exercise and decide after that?
No. of votes: 1
Yun
[X]Blitzkrieg (Search and Destroy. The Three Hundred Frames have devastated Antagonist forces across the entire European front. Uralsk breach was destroyed. March for either the Moscow or Elazig breaches, destroy every Antagonist you find.)
[X]Hold back. Allow the others to do most of the work, see if Sandra can put her money where her mouth is. You're still going to intervene if you see one of them in danger though.
No. of votes: 1
TheFourthman
[X]Historic Scenarios (Moderate)
[X]Blitzkrieg (Search and Destroy. The Three Hundred Frames have devastated Antagonist forces across the entire European front. Uralsk breach was destroyed. March for either the Moscow or Elazig breaches, destroy every Antagonist you find.)
[X]Hold back. Allow the others to do most of the work, see if Sandra can put her money where her mouth is. You're still going to intervene if you see one of them in danger though.
No. of votes: 1
anowack
[X] Since there are two aces in the flight now, would you like Shuri and I to hold back further? Or should we stop for the next exercise and decide after that?
-[X] Suggest matching their kill counts perfectly to make sure you don't disturb the exercise in either direction.
[X]Historic Scenarios (Moderate)
-[X]Single Sweep (Objective. Fairbanks Breach has been subjugated and Saskatoon Breach has been destroyed by unknown means, the flank is secure, San Francisco Breach is vulnerable, sweep down the coast.)
No. of votes: 1
Vebyast
[X]Historic Scenarios (Moderate)
[X]Single Sweep (Objective. Fairbanks Breach has been subjugated and Saskatoon Breach has been destroyed by unknown means, the flank is secure, San Francisco Breach is vulnerable, sweep down the coast.)
[X]Hold back. Allow the others to do most of the work, see if Sandra can put her money where her mouth is. You're still going to intervene if you see one of them in danger though.
No. of votes: 20
Havocfett, Candesce, Bag of Bones, Ridiculously Average Guy, Mizu, Sasha, Ginger Maniac, skaianDestiny, Prent, joe6168, Redshirt Army, Bulldog18, Dirtnap, Aranfan, XavierIII, rikalous, HidCyan, Velocirampage, Nave, Random Asian Person
[X]Historic Scenarios (Moderate)
[X]Single Sweep (Objective. Fairbanks Breach has been subjugated and Saskatoon Breach has been destroyed by unknown means, the flank is secure, San Francisco Breach is vulnerable, sweep down the coast.)
No. of votes: 6
eraserman, Hanashinobi, Robotninja, ........, Drasis, Olivebirdy
[X]Historic Scenarios (Moderate)
[X]Single Sweep (Objective. Fairbanks Breach has been subjugated and Saskatoon Breach has been destroyed by unknown means, the flank is secure, San Francisco Breach is vulnerable, sweep down the coast.)
[x]Allow the others to do most of the work, see if Sandra can put her money where her mouth is. You're still going to intervene if you see one of them in danger though.
No. of votes: 2
The Sylentnight, Wander
[X] Since there are two aces in the flight now, would you like Shuri and I to hold back further? Or should we stop for the next exercise and decide after that?
-[X] If hold back: Single Sweep
-[X] If all-out: Uralsk Massacre
No. of votes: 1
notgreat
[X] Since there are two aces in the flight now, would you like Shuri and I to hold back further? Or should we stop for the next exercise and decide after that?
-[X] Suggest matching their kill counts perfectly to make sure you don't disturb the exercise in either direction.
[X]Randomly generated scenario
[X]Moderate
No. of votes: 1
qsurf

I'm counting 143 votes.
Do we really have 143 votes? :o
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Guessing winning that competition got us some new posters.
 
[X]Historic Scenarios (Moderate)
[X]Single Sweep (Objective. Fairbanks Breach has been subjugated and Saskatoon Breach has been destroyed by unknown means, the flank is secure, San Francisco Breach is vulnerable, sweep down the coast.)
[X]Hold back. Allow the others to do most of the work, see if Sandra can put her money where her mouth is. You're still going to intervene if you see one of them in danger though.
 
skaianDestiny said:
Some people want LOLDRAMA and fuck up all of Anna's carefully attained progress while others have her wellbeing in mind.
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Or alternatively some people disagree with your conclusions. Shocking thought I know.




So far I'm seeing two main arguments for why we should go for a moderate scenario rather then a difficult one:
1) Newbies would wipe out/be useless in a Difficult Scenario
2) Anna will flip out and go all PTSD on us.


I'll touch on the first argument first. Near as I can tell everyone is basing this off Shuri's comment way back at the start of the quest:
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"That was- I don't-" Shuri abruptly cuts herself off, "I may be able to keep the Antagonists in a moderate scenario from shooting down one green Cadet, but two is asking too much."
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Now taken at face value it does imply that even a Moderate scenario would be difficult for us since both Setsu and Koji are green Cadets. However you need to consider the context of the situation.

Here is what Shuri knew of Anna at the time:
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"Very well," grumbles Sandra, her hand moving across the air to scroll through the simulator menu, "Anna, what is your combat rating? I can't seem to access it."

"I do not know,"
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"Are you new to Valkyries Frames as well? Then let us just keep the difficult at moderate," Sandra says
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As far as Shuri knew Anna was a total newb. Someone so green she didn't even know her combat rating. Shuri almost certainly was assuming Anna was in the group who had basically zero flight time:
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"Flights who are mostly comprised of cadets without many flight hours or even never synchronised with a Valk outside of compatibility testing, to me!" calls out Meyer, also with voice coming from every direction.
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Given that half our class fell into the above group:
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All in all, there were around even numbers of people between the two groups.
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In fact just to give you an idea of how crappy those newb Valkyries were:
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As a passing curiosity, you pull up a combat rating thing that people have been mentioning into your vision. Some of the cadets in your group were rated in the two to three hundred range while those in Meyers groups for totally new Valkyries were mostly '0's as expected. Setsuna, giving truth to her boast, was rated '930'. You honestly have no idea what the numbers mean and take further looks around. As you expected, Shuri was rated rather highly at… '14,700'?

That… was a rather enormous difference numerically.

You look around some more for other comparisons, Sandra who stood right next to Shuri was labelled '790', lower than Setsuna and no where near her wingman.
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Incidentally this actually shows that Setsuna is higher ranked then Sandra. I sadly couldn't find any reference to Koji's Combat Rating but given MC Powers I'm going to say he is in the Setsuna/Sandra range.


So from the very start Shuri's assessment is inapplicable since she was almost certainly basing it off Anna being a 0 ranked Valkyrie which would significantly increase the difficulty since she would need to be entirely carried through the course. As we saw yesterday Setsuna and Koji are at the skill level where they can actually contribute to a fight.

Furthermore you have to consider Shuri's trauma. Now yes her key trigger point is PvP from being shot down by other humans but it's also important to remember that her first notable mission was almost a TPK with her as the only member of her team to survive. Something that, IIRC, happened to her multiple times.

So it is natural for her to try and push for an easier mission because, especially given Sandra's response of "You soloed one.", people keep trying to match up to her and dying when they find out that they just can't keep up.




Therefore I put forth that Shuri's assessment here was flawed and invalid in this situation. Instead I'd like to look at what actually happened in that simulation. Sandra rolled twice; once at the start (11 a slightly below average, 12, result) and once at the end for attack against the Type 15(17 a high result). So there wasn't really any luck boosting her; only the presence of Anna, who was having trouble adjusting to the Sim, and Shuri.

So assuming that Setsuna and Koji are on Sandra's level, quite reasonable given what we've seen so far, then even with Anna holding back a Moderate difficulty is going to be a stomp.

If we actually want a challenge (for the team), which we do since you can't really learn to work together during a stomp, then we need a Difficult mission.

Furthermore people keep saying that in a Difficult mission Koji/Setsu/San wouldn't be able to contribute. Of course they would. We're not going to be fighting an endless army of Type-Zeros or anything. Odds are that rather then the Moderate missions set up of shit-tier Antagonists and a single Type boss it would be a mixture of shit-tier Antagonists and Types (remember there are more Types then Type-Zero) with a group of Types as an end boss. Koji/Setsu/San will absolutely be capable of fighting the shit-tier stuff and work together against the occasional Type while Anna and Shuri make sure the number of Types never gets too high for the three to handle.




The second point is that Anna is going to flip out and go all PTSD-Chan on everyone if someone 'dies' in the simulator. First up I'd point out that Anna has trouble believing that Simulator missions are real. Yes everyone points to that scene where Anna almost fragged a classmate for ignoring human casualties but that was less about her mistaking simulation for reality but instead:
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>Sweeper 1: You would have hit humans.<
>Sweeper 4: What…? So?<

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Your heavy particle projectors swing around and lock onto the threat-
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It was about Sweeper 4 going "So what if I would have killed a bunch of people?" which understandably hits Anna's big red Trauma Button.

Furthermore every time we see her fighting Antagonists in the Simulators she keeps running into the problem of them not feeling real enough. It keeps messing with her.

Now we don't know how exactly Simulators handle a person getting "killed" but presumably they simply isolate them in a different section of the simulation and play an image of them dying. Something Anna's continually omniscience would instantly pick up.

If anything she'd be more likely to try and figure out where the Type-15 has taken her squad mate then flip out going "I failed again!"








tl;dr - I disagree with the idea that a Difficult sim would be too hard for our weaker members and that there is any chance of Anna flipping out in anything other then a historical simulation that hit too close to home.
 
[X] Null

Nulling my vote for this one. This arguing back and forth isn't really any fun to read, so I'ma just step away until the next update. So I nulled the vote so as not to get in the way.
 
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Therefore I put forth that Shuri's assessment here was flawed and invalid in this situation. Instead I'd like to look at what actually happened in that simulation. Sandra rolled twice; once at the start (11 a slightly below average, 12, result) and once at the end for attack against the Type 15(17 a high result). So there wasn't really any luck boosting her; only the presence of Anna, who was having trouble adjusting to the Sim, and Shuri.
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This isn't quite true; while Sandra's roll was not notably lucky, she did take a hit from the 13 rolled by the AG Redoubt.

Which was rolling at 5d6 - if it had rolled even average, nevermind well, that would have hurt.

At a higher difficulty level, we're going to see the green members of our flight being continuously worn down, which isn't a huge deal, but we're also going to be looking at more opportunities for the rookies to be oneshot, which is a waste of a training session.

Personally, I mostly want one of the historical missions, and I'd be fine with a difficult one if we knew which of the historicals were difficult rather than impossible; but lacking that bit of information, I'm voting for the moderate that I think is likely to provoke interesting conversation.
 
[X]Historic Scenarios (Moderate)
-[X]Single Sweep (Objective. Fairbanks Breach has been subjugated and Saskatoon Breach has been destroyed by unknown means, the flank is secure, San Francisco Breach is vulnerable, sweep down the coast.)
[X] Since there are two aces in the flight now, would you like Shuri and I to hold back further? Or should we stop for the next exercise and decide after that?

My thoughts on Anna in the long term.
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To put it simply, recovering from trauma/despair/grief takes time and requires the person to make the "correct" series of choices; So for instance after a loved one's death if you keep choosing to stay home and dwell on your memories and look through photos then you are not going to recover. On the other hand, if with help you force yourself to continue with your life and while keeping their memory dear you use it as inspiration to continue then you would start recovering.

This is, I would like to stress and repeat, of course a gross simplification of any recovery process, but the essential point is critical. The path to recovery tends to be long and require consistent effort. For those whose scars are particularly deep, it is no exaggeration to say that it requires herculean effort and great strength of mind for the person to make the choice everyday to continue on. Friends of course help, but it requires the person to trust them, to make themselves vulnerable to people who though well-meaning, may be bumbling incompetents.

For the purpose of the quest, I think it means building deep meaningful relationships to the extent that she is willing to let others in. It means that Anna needs to realize that she has worth in others eyes as a friend, and not worth derived from her combat capability. Anna sees her life in having worth merely from her strength and even that is as ashes in her mouth with the thought that "If I was that strong, why did I fail those I want to protect?" and "Stop calling me strong! If I was really strong then it means my failure to protect is really all my fault."

Seeing your value as a human as relying on your strength is an exhausting way to live. If she thinks that her value to the team is dependent on being strong, then it will be that deep fear of becoming useless and thus not valued driving her to greater heights. This would be made worse, especially as the others become stronger. And this leads to a breakdown.

If there is one wish that I have for Anna in this story is that she realizes that she is wonderful because she is loved and not loved because she is wonderful.
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Now specific to this vote. While showing off is kinda in genre, do we really want to do so now? It simply emphasizes to her that her value is in her capability as a Valkyrie. It further shifts others to see her as the strong one and that creates a barrier. You respect those who you place on pedestals, you do not necessarily love them.

And as for the difficult scenario being too difficult, I'm of two minds. If the scenario is a take down of the Type Zero Antagonist, then the rookies are unlikely to survive or be of much use other than that of cannon fodder. To give you an example, Anna was able to break the MCs sword. They won't even get near to scratching the Type-Zero and may even be promptly swatted out of the sky. Even if there are mooks, there would be a ton of them. Theres a reason why Type Zeros take downs require TONS of resources. If, however it was simply waves after waves of enemies, I could see it of being of more use... except for the fact that it would require Shuri and Anna to carry most of the weight. Which isn't good for either Shuri or Anna's mentalities.

Edit: And I totally have an Omake in mind for the worst case scenario of Anna.... ack I'm in too dark a mood :(
 
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I'm gonna try and stay out of the arguing from now on, like @Cogsprocket.

The votes I were afraid would pass have fallen behind enough that I can rest easy. Arguing over the minutia of our remaining options sounds unpleasant to me, so I won't do it.

I'm just going to sit back and hope people aren't silly enough to make poor choices out of misguided/malignant attempts to induce drama.
 
[X]Historic Scenarios (Moderate)
-[X]Single Sweep (Objective. Fairbanks Breach has been subjugated and Saskatoon Breach has been destroyed by unknown means, the flank is secure, San Francisco Breach is vulnerable, sweep down the coast.)
[X] Since there are two aces in the flight now, would you like Shuri and I to hold back further? Or should we stop for the next exercise and decide after that?

I'm convinced; changing my vote to historic (moderate).


Moderate isn't going to be a challenge for the cadets if Shuri and Anna go all-out. Difficult isn't going to be a challenge for the cadets if Shuri and Anna go all out. Shuri and Anna account for well over 90% of the flight's combat rating; there is really no way for the three juniors to meaningfully contribute unless Shuri and Anna hold back.

Would the Aces hold back in a real mission? No. Would Kouji, Setsu and Sandra even be there on a real mission? Not until the skill gap gets a lot smaller, no. We're aiming to have everyone in the flight good enough to contribute, so we should practice working as a team with everyone fighting at a similar level.
 
[X]Historic Scenarios (Moderate)
-[X]Single Sweep (Objective. Fairbanks Breach has been subjugated and Saskatoon Breach has been destroyed by unknown means, the flank is secure, San Francisco Breach is vulnerable, sweep down the coast.)
[X] Since there are two aces in the flight now, would you like Shuri and I to hold back further? Or should we stop for the next exercise and decide after that?
 
[X]Historic Scenarios (Moderate)
-[X]Single Sweep (Objective. Fairbanks Breach has been subjugated and Saskatoon Breach has been destroyed by unknown means, the flank is secure, San Francisco Breach is vulnerable, sweep down the coast.)
[X] Since there are two aces in the flight now, would you like Shuri and I to hold back further? Or should we stop for the next exercise and decide after that?
 
Changing vote:

[X]Historic Scenarios (Moderate)
-[X]Single Sweep (Objective. Fairbanks Breach has been subjugated and Saskatoon Breach has been destroyed by unknown means, the flank is secure, San Francisco Breach is vulnerable, sweep down the coast.)
[X] Since there are two aces in the flight now, would you like Shuri and I to hold back further? Or should we stop for the next exercise and decide after that?
 
[X] Randomly generated scenario
[X] Difficult
[X]Since there are two aces in the flight now, would you like Shuri and I to hold back further? Or should we stop for the next exercise and decide after that?

Tides, pissing, etc.
 
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Dark as Silver said:
Yes but since some people want a breakdown it'll all come down to who bribed him the most.
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Why do you guys keep generalizing the other side of the argument like that? Other then me I've only seen like two or three other people who want a breakdown and you guys are basically saying that the entire other half of the argument are like that when most of them probably only want to see the team be challenged and grow stronger as a result. Not to mention as one of the people who want a breakdown I seriously doubt that a difficult mission will cause us to have a breakdown In the first place. We would probably need to pic Vae Victus or get a critfail but that would probably be the same on moderate too. And if you people are so scared of Anna boarding the trauma train because of one of her squadmates getting shot down in the difficult mission what's to stop one of them rolling bad and getting shot down in the moderate sim too!
 
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Dragonloli123 said:
Why do you guys keep generalizing the other side of the argument like that? Other then me I've only seen like two or three other people who want a breakdown and you guys are basically saying that the entire other half of the argument are like that when most of them probably only want to see the team be challenged and grow stronger as a result. Not to mention as one of the people who want a breakdown I seriously doubt that a difficult mission will cause us to have a breakdown In the first place. We would probably need to pic Vae Victus or get a critfail but that would probably be the same on moderate too. And if you people are so scared of Anna boarding the trauma train because of one of her squadmates getting shot down in the difficult mission what's to stop one of them rolling bad and getting shot down in the moderate sim too!
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Seriously, this. This is the reason I won't change my vote to support the Moderate Historical option.

I would have been convinced, but I refuse to contribute to a voter base that continually demonized their opposition with total flanderized arguments.
 
Dark Abstraction said:
Seriously, this. This is the reason I won't change my vote to support the Moderate Historical option.

I would have been convinced, but I refuse to contribute to a voter base that continually demonized their opposition with total flanderized arguments.
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You know who else is Flandreized?

She's evil, so obviously you must be evil! We shouldn't vote for the things that evil people vote for! :V
 
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And if you people are so scared of Anna boarding the trauma train because of one of her squadmates getting shot down in the difficult mission what's to stop one of them rolling bad and getting shot down in the moderate sim too!
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Greater probability of failing hard enough to cause a breakdown? We don't exactly have super-detailed knowledge of the mechanical difficulties.

Dark Abstraction said:
Seriously, this. This is the reason I won't change my vote to support the Moderate Historical option. I refuse to contribute to a voter base that continually demonized their oppositions with total flanderized arguments.
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I don't think it's any less silly to boycott a position because a handful of people supporting it have tarred the whole other position with the same brush than it is to do that tarring in the first place. I mean, there have been a couple people saying they want a breakdown for drama. It's not completely without basis.
 
Dark Abstraction said:
Seriously, this. This is the reason I won't change my vote to support the Moderate Historical option.

I would have been convinced, but I refuse to contribute to a voter base that continually demonized their opposition with total flanderized arguments.
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You are doing the exact thing you are decrying, painting the actions of the minority as the consensus of the majority. I think that only a handful want to see her breakdown but I think the rest just are not taking Anna's mental state seriously enough or are over estimating Anna's abilities. While my opinion could be wrong and I am overestimating the difficulty of the scenario or our mental problems I still feel it is the that the Moderate difficult scenario offers the best risk/reward.
 
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