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- Leeds
AI has strong opinions on aesthetics.
Battle Action Harem Highschool Side Character Quest (No SV, you are the Waifu)
- Thread starter Avalanche
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Nice hands.
NuclearConsensus
Herald of the Thorned One
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- the Philippines
That looks nice, especially for AI art. The left one though makes Anna look like she has a Geass. Also her ponytail is missing.
deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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- Earth
I suspect they're medal ribbons, which actually wouldn't be totally out of place for Anna.Have some Annas. Used a newer model to gen these for extra shiny hair.
The ribbons however, are just a silly limitation of the system. I can't seem to get rid of them.
Anna doesn't wear any, and it's quite possible Anna isn't allowed to wear any she has been awarded because of the awkward questions that would be asked if she did.
Remember, Anna didn't exist in the UN's bureaucracy until the Alaska Offensive. And yet, she is somehow the #1 Valkyrie.
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- Mobile, Alabama
She's the old "The Draugr are training" comic meme. Other Valks were doing all sorts of non war stuff. Anna was fighting, building and training. Which when combined with an improvement machine ie the Core? Is pretty OP.
Also wouldn't bootstrapping very basic ATI's(Artificial Task-based Intelligence) up to at least AGI levels be relatively quick for Valks thanks to the endless optimisation routines running inside of their impellers?
Olivebirdy
mook.
So, I've been mostly staying away from the omake, but if I think of it as fanfic, I'm happier to have a look. Any recs? Not Calibration, too cracky.
The vibe I get is Anna is low key allowed to do anything she wants. They politely ask her to not do things, but they want what she can do so desperately that she could probably get away with literal murder. Even with her training others in wave motion, she can do it better and faster, and is continuing to improve it. When she was digging into Shuri's background, ONI started tracing her, until she provided the trace program with her ID and they immediately stopped. The implication I got from that was everyone with enough authority to know who she really is was ordered to be as hands off as possible.
As to why she's suddenly the #1 Valk, it's because she soloed what it normally takes dozens if not hundreds to do. The rank system is a power scale. That a lot of the authority in running the war and the UN is tied up in the #1 Valk is because of who the previous holder was and the expectation that she would never be replaced.
al103
Grumpy Russian Bear (SV edition)
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- Russia, Krasnoyarsk
It should be noted that Anna is strategic scale weapon on her own. Problem of denying her that #1 Valk powers is that she need them to function in combat without usual bullshit attached. As she need that ability to order people without millions of dumb questions in between order and execution.
So right now there is bureaucratic nightmare of formulating "what powers #1 Valk should have", "what Anna should have" and "what former #1 should have" and in a way that prevents repetition of this bullshit too.
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- parker colorado
I mean let's be honest most the commander powers are not going to Anne for reasons. They simply are trying to separate the supreme commander position from the #1 position because what are the odds someone will turn out to be more powerful than you most powerful asset that never stops growing. The odds turned out to be in Anne's favor of destroying the status quo.
al103
Grumpy Russian Bear (SV edition)
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- Russia, Krasnoyarsk
Thing is - Sen is UN Air Force Air Marshal. She already possess so much power that it's not funny. But for some reason her additional rights weren't tied to that, which leave importance of #1 Valk slot in replace-ability so if "I can order everything" Air Marshal dies in combat one of Silvers could start ordering things in her place without bullshit of "oh, this one got in rank earlier", "wrong service" and so on.
But thing with Anna is that if she start ordering things in combat it's probably VERY good idea for UN forces to follow either to move from attack vector of "lol, this area is totally dead" BigMcHugeCannon or to support her run on one of Type 0. Anna is both strategical and operational tactical asset and it's acknowledged. So they need to prune #1 status from some things... but run into "do we really want to remove this?" or "well, yeah, we need to remove this one, but we need lesser version in it's place".
Then Anna just had to go and show her bullshit construction skills meaning that she may need even more rights to order people in case of constructing emergency defense line or something, so things that were planned for removal are re-thought again.
Essentially Anna is not "lolnoobgot1stplace". Like at all. She just not "oldguard veteran officer older than service itself" of Three and One Above Them. But she's still packet of bullshit that requires special rights to use effectively. You don't get on top here by having "big potential", only by that potential being well-realized bullshit and ability to apply said bullshit to Antagonist faces.
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You missed my point.
Anna cannot be permitted to wear her medals, if she has any, because Anna did not exist in the bureaucracy until the Alaska Offensive. If she had the medals she would have been awarded as a Valkyrie in the service of the UN but without existing there would be so many uncomfortable questions about the entire lead up and execution of the Alaska Offensive that it could shake confidence in the UN. That is, from the UN perspective, very bad, and from humanity's perspective quite possibly not any better.
And actually, 'nominal superior is digging into the history of a nominal subordinate she is in close contact with and probably has Need to Know' is exactly the sort of thing where 'counterintelligence service starts to trace somebody digging into restricted access files, sees who is doing the digging, is satisfied the digging is legal and leaves' happens.
Also, I do not doubt that Anna is the killiest thing on the battlefield, possibly excluding Type Zeros. And I am not confident about it excluding Type Zeros. But that doesn't mean she's actually a good commander, and at least some of the skills the #1 Valkyrie position requires are tactical, strategic and operational level thinking. Anna can do the tactical, but she hasn't really shown the others. This is currently not a problem because Anna hasn't been in a position where she absolutely needs to step up. But it's worth noting.
We know from the last update that Anna is commissioned, she's a lieutenant. Why and where did she get that? She hasn't graduated the academy yet. She's also part of two elite strike forces, we know that from when she looked at her service record. The obvious answer is she got all of that once they realized what she had done regarding Sekhmet. There's no way that medals were not included in that. Sure they're probably classified, just like the real reason Sekhmet is dead, but they exist. And why would affect the Alaska offensive? Sekhmet and the Saskatoon Hive were never an objective. Sure the fact that Sekhmet was distracted was one of the reasons they launched the offensive, but that's a foot note at best as far as civilians are concerned. The main reason Anna's deeds are hidden are, as far as I can tell from reading between the lines, solely to protect Anna from getting mobbed by fans and press. In this regard she was probably asked not to wear any medals she was awarded, but if she chooses to forego that secrecy, like she did when she revealed her actions to Sandra, they're not going to do anything. One major sign that this is the case is the fact that the #1 Valk has been replaced is not a secret. Everyone's ranks got bumped down a rank. The only thing that's secret is the name of the new number one.
We've seen that Anna has a high need to know, and we see what happens when she requests information that she has clearance for as when she was accessing information on wave motion and the god gun. She just asks the academy computer and gets the information, no digging required. If she had need to know on Shuri's background she wouldn't have had to go digging, it would have just appeared when she requested it. That she had to go digging on the open net, and that ONI even started tracing her indicates she didn't have specific need to know on that. Not that she couldn't get it, just that no one foresaw her needing it. She wasn't actually supposed to be in Shuri's class after all. She was originally signed up for an accelerated academic only course load, and only joined the regular first years after Yukari made her request.
I never said Anna has the training or experience to execute the full duties held by the #1 Valkyrie, and in fact agree with your stance there, all I said was why she has that position, and why it's a problem that no one foresaw. Sandra herself actually points out the problems with all the powers tied up with #1 Valk rank.
It would not affect the Alaska Offensive. It would affect the perception of the Alaska Offensive. Anna is mostly hidden among the rest of the top level Valkyries when it comes to her positions; it is implied that after major offensives there's a fair amount of movement as Valkyries are rotated for relief, or removed due to casualties. And yes, a lot of why her actual position is not public knowledge has everything to do with the UN not wanting her to get mobbed, they, not unreasonably, fear it could trigger a PTSD episode.
Also, Anna did more than dig into the open net. She has access to the redacted stuff from Shuri's and Sandra's files, which is I think what really triggered the counter intel sniffer. Regardless of who should have access to those files, 'UN had to rollover the military of a member state' and 'there was an attempted coup backed by supposedly loyal military forces' are the sort of thing you keep out of the public eye. And preferably keep anyone who was not involved from knowing about, which is what the counter intelligence effort was for. Looking for who is asking regardless of who is asking on the surface of it.
Thebigpieman
I've got this, I think.
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- United States
We do know that Sen at least seems to be fine with Anna's strategic thinking:
Now of course being a commander is more than just tactical and strategic sense but at the very least she's unlikely to be helpless in this regard.
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- Leeds
So Anna is currently anonymous on the rankings, have we considered that a medal ceremony wouldn't work well for that and the UN are withholding them until she is public to avoid accidentally skewering her anonymity? Especially given they've given shit to countries for child soldiers so it could come off politically difficult.
And would the military even issue medals for something someone did while not part of their organisation?
However the immediate response social response of Valks who have spent a long time jumping to follow the orders of no 1 is another issue altogether.
Rank 1 here, means combat rating, not a leadership thing, except in the same way that a "Bomb disposal officer when sprinting outranks everyone else".
And it is because its an informal outside command hierarchy that she's allowed to remain anonymous and doesn't really have medals associated.
Anna did display operational thinking at least, previously when she did that one homework thing where she had to selet partner and stuff for an operation and she picked one of the instructors. Does anyone remember where that was to quote?
And can confirm, Anna isn't more killly than a type 0. Sekmet was heavily injured when Anna intercepted its retreat and she still nearly died. Sekmet was also not a top tier 0.
And would the military even issue medals for something someone did while not part of their organisation?
The UN bureaucracy has probably already been through the books to make sure no unexpected privileges or powers transferred accidentally.
However the immediate response social response of Valks who have spent a long time jumping to follow the orders of no 1 is another issue altogether.
Its kinda amusing, Avalanche has mentioned that a whole lot of stuff got mixed up and just implicitly associated between Jens actual official military ranks and her former combat rating and we're seeing it happen here in real time.
Rank 1 here, means combat rating, not a leadership thing, except in the same way that a "Bomb disposal officer when sprinting outranks everyone else".
And it is because its an informal outside command hierarchy that she's allowed to remain anonymous and doesn't really have medals associated.
Anna did display operational thinking at least, previously when she did that one homework thing where she had to selet partner and stuff for an operation and she picked one of the instructors. Does anyone remember where that was to quote?
And can confirm, Anna isn't more killly than a type 0. Sekmet was heavily injured when Anna intercepted its retreat and she still nearly died. Sekmet was also not a top tier 0.
Thebigpieman
I've got this, I think.
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- United States
As far as I remember Sekmet wasn't injured but its special weapon was out of ammo.
Icipall
Don't worry, we can fanfix that!
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- Cold snow fields of Finland
You remember correctly.
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- Leeds
I thought Avalanche simulated the fight a couple of times, but Anna never quite won so Sekmet got handicapped with an injjury?
Sekhmet's special weapon was more or less useless against Valks. Its a weapon meant for murdering lumbering battleships and fleets (and the reason why Sekhmet was out of ammo for that thing was it just got done murdering a bunch of UN ships iirc). Not Valks that can evade and teleport at will. It had no factor in the fight even had Sekhmet had the weapon loaded.
And I remember reading that once Sekhmet figured out that its Type escorts were a hindrance rather than a advantage, it sent them away and Anna was on the backfoot the entire time until she suckerpunched Sekhmet with Wave force in desperation after Sekhmet destroyed half her cannons.
And I remember reading that once Sekhmet figured out that its Type escorts were a hindrance rather than a advantage, it sent them away and Anna was on the backfoot the entire time until she suckerpunched Sekhmet with Wave force in desperation after Sekhmet destroyed half her cannons.
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- Voidbetweenstars
No to explain why we won we got waveforce.
Sekmet didn't have its 'super' weapon in any of the rolls.
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- Australia
Not necessarily.
For starters it is arguable whether say modifying a toaster so it can have opinions of butter spreading technique or whatever is really an improvement.
The process of improvement is probably directed by the will of the frame and desires of the user.
Certain advanced computing elements require specialized fabricator units.
The improvement function is probably limited by whatever made the Valkyrie Codes in the first place.
Here is the original quote:
My read of this is that this was before most the backstory detailed got fleshed out and was simulating things to get a proper scale for everyone's power levels. Sekhmet vs. Anna were close enough that while the luck never went her way she could have won if she got lucky. So Avalanche decided to make it a story event to make what Peak Anna Combat looks like with the understanding that on average Anna would lose that fight.
In short; under the old system Anna vs. Class C Type Zero would be a Type Zero victory unless Anna rolled well and the Type Zero didn't. Under the new more narrative system my guess would be that Anna was in the zone while Sekhmet was under-performing due to its earlier battle.
How that battle would play out now is an interesting question. Anna's peak output is lower due to battle damage but more sustainable due to access to UN technology (most notably her fusion reactor):
she also has access to a Higgs Engine for more efficient Higgs utilization, UN supplies for Higgs rather then raiding Type 5s, improvements to her Waveforce, and other UN supplies like XHEAP missiles.
I suspect the battlefield would probably be more level but while coin-flip odds is better then losing on average it still isn't exactly a desirable result.