Attempting to Fulfill the Plan MNKh Edition
- Thread starter Blackstar
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[X]Revive Old Cadre Programs
[X]Promote the Smolensk Minister
[X]Promote the Smolensk Minister
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- Viewer
[X]Revive Old Cadre Programs
[X]Promote the Smolensk Minister
[X]Promote the Smolensk Minister
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- The great frozen north
I love how the infopost section about our ministers has said "(Will update after current vote)" for several updates now because the ministry has been non-stop on fire without stabilizing.
The new HI Minister seems just OK, and I really hope that in spite of Vozenesensky's ideals getting discredited we'll still be able to get a new HI deputy that has some sort of modernization or novel method development as their strong point. Don't want things to stagnate.
What serendipity! Managing to remove all the troublesome ministers so quick without committing to the front-loaded malus from Fast Course is nice. But loosing the HI Deputy sucks. Dollezhal was the director of the nuclear project and getting him kicked out of the post curtails ambitions for rolling out nuclear power. Nuclear as a whole hopefully hasn't been discredited enough to cancel Atomash, but we're gonna feel the lack of enthusiasm.
The new HI Minister seems just OK, and I really hope that in spite of Vozenesensky's ideals getting discredited we'll still be able to get a new HI deputy that has some sort of modernization or novel method development as their strong point. Don't want things to stagnate.
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- Fort Worth, TX
[X]Propose Neutral Promotions
[X]Promote the Smolensk Minister
[X]Promote the Smolensk Minister
Stellarengine676
To eternity we shall ride
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[X]Go With Abramov's Man
[X]Promote the Smolensk Minister
[X]Promote the Smolensk Minister
Maybe if she was in some other, more relevant to agriculture sector, that would be true. As it is, LCI mostly doesn't do anything for agricultural profitability, doubly so compared to a help with a reform from Abramov's faction. Let us not forget that it has been repeatedly stated that the actual solution to the woes of that sector is in convincing SupSov to unfuck it, and we are limited both in political capital and time to do so. Unless we start pushing for the reforms next turn, they won't have the time to propagate and really impact the sector - therefore, we need the assistance with them now, which placing a deputy minister in an unrelated sector doesn't get.
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I am pretty sympathetic to the argument that we need a favor from Abramov to unfuck Agriculture. We built our entire economic and political strategy around completely overhauling Ag. If we don't deliver a chicken in every pot then we (and any students/deputy ministers tied to us) aren't going to make it past 1969 to enjoy the fruits of seeding low level staff with supporters.
While it's probably technically possible to do it without Abramov's favor, it would certainly be a far safer bet in a time where any random bad roll can entirely end our career. Like it's a seriously genuine possibility that Klimenko is fired before the 1969 elections roll around, much less keeps his job after the dust settles there. We had a good first turn, but the negative roll/crit fail chances don't peak for another 2 years yet, surviving 1965 was the easiest year of the entire FYP politically. I kinda want the political insurance, because it would be great for Klimenko to actually get a 10-15 year career where his long term initiatives can shine instead of a 2-3 year whirlwind.
While it's probably technically possible to do it without Abramov's favor, it would certainly be a far safer bet in a time where any random bad roll can entirely end our career. Like it's a seriously genuine possibility that Klimenko is fired before the 1969 elections roll around, much less keeps his job after the dust settles there. We had a good first turn, but the negative roll/crit fail chances don't peak for another 2 years yet, surviving 1965 was the easiest year of the entire FYP politically. I kinda want the political insurance, because it would be great for Klimenko to actually get a 10-15 year career where his long term initiatives can shine instead of a 2-3 year whirlwind.
Best I can do is fast-food trains going to every apartment bloc in the country*.
*Select regions outside of the Moscow Metropolitan Area excluded
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- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
[X]Revive Old Cadre Programs
[X]Go With Abramov's Man
[X]Go With Abramov's Man
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- Mid-Atlantic
It would be delightful if breaking up the tooling ring makes some projects easier, much as the Moscow roads project got a lower Progress requirement after Voz actually had the brainwave of turning the people in charge of planning the thing upside down and shaking them until all the extra freeways they'd designed fell out of their pockets.
There's precedent for the corruption making MNKh-scale projects actively harder than they ought to be, in other words.
There's precedent for the corruption making MNKh-scale projects actively harder than they ought to be, in other words.
Hm? Pretty sure Moscow roads was incorporated into Moscow Renovation, no shaking and lower Progress requirements.
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- Mid-Atlantic
I could swear that project started out at 700 Progress then dropped to more like 400...
Well, the good news (in a way) is that the 'old' sectors of conventional Soviet heavy industry, such as steel and oil production are just as corrupt, if not more so. Because that's where the real money's been for a long time. So people with new ideas aren't disproportionately likely to be blocked off from rising through the ranks compared to oldsters who started their careers in the 1930s and have taken the Kosygin years as an opportunity to let the good times roll.
Terminator57
Southern trees bear a strange fruit
Do you think that the choice of Smolesk's minister to the detriment of cadre programs, as you seem to suggest, might lead in the medium or long term to a closure of the party and a gerontocracy like OTL ?
Also, do you think that the "cardre programs" option could come back later if we choose Smolesk's minister?
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- The Void
[X]Revive Old Cadre Programs
[X]Promote the Smolensk Minister
[X]Promote the Smolensk Minister
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- UTC+0
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We have a 75 age limit in politics, and the cadre programs are mostly limited to people within the ministry, so while it will help I dont think it will be transformative for the Party.
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- England
I'm not entirely sure one way or another, but you might be thinking about the Western Union Passenger Rail project where, on Turn 55, Malenkov realized that they were massively overblown and by taking a middle road to the corruption and cutting out the excess lines we were able to cut a 2300 point project to 1500 points. And then later it went back up due to electrification but hey, can't win them all.
They're different votes, the "Revive Old Cadre Programs" option is about what to do about filling all the newly open posts in the Heavy Industrial sector, while the specific deputy is for Light and Chemical Industry, so they're not exclusive at all.
But to answer the other half of the question, if we don't take it this vote, it probably won't come back for Heavy Industry specifically. Other sectors though we'd probably see something like it again, the university-to-party pipeline is way too useful to just never use again. Klimenko has all the same incentives to use it that Voz did, just instead of prioritizing engineers like Voz he'll hire more sociology institute graduates or whatever.