Attempting to Fulfill the Plan MNKh Edition

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Adhoc vote count started by VoidZero on Oct 7, 2020 at 3:50 PM, finished with 76 posts and 32 votes.


One side on amount of GDP we eat. Somewhat decided on advisor vote. 6 in favor of school man.
 
[X]Aleksandr Vasilevsky

The main thing for Vasilevsky that intrigued me more so than even the NCO cadre and training perhaps is his last focus, which is 'Improvements in training and operational methodology'. Which well, include among them force retention and attrition reduction. Now, we're never going to beat the Germans vis a vis training and sheer combat experience but well, with the size of the Red Army, even an extra zero-point percent reduction of attrition could mean the difference between exchanging 8:1 casualty ratio to 7:1 casualty ratio alongside experience retention. And the more death prevented means less depressed population growth which means more freed up labour post-war.
 
Turn 10.66 Military Focus Selection
Vote Called for [X]Aleksandr Vasilevsky and [X]35% GNP

With the elevation of Aleksandr Vasilevsky towards the planning of procurement, the military priorities for the new plan will be in capable hands. When you first notice him assigned to your office, you do not even catch him as he is chatting up the staff all around you. During this, he makes pleasant conversation and outlays a good quantity of proposals for investments into the military for the Union's future. The bulk of his proposals are incredibly long term and focused entirely on building up the rush capability for a truly massive buildup after this plan, yet as long as the Union has the time, the military shall be unmatched. Even after the initial meeting, you continue to talk to the man, finding him quite pleasant and soft-spoken. Eventually, you both get drinks and could even be called something close to friends after a night of relaxed drinking. Out of everyone you could have gotten from the military, at least you can work with this man.

First, though, the general military size construction target must be set.

[]Large Scale Buildup: The need for a large-scale buildup of the red army is immense, while the bulk of the focus will go towards the near doubling of the size of the red army. The new equipment made should be acceptably modern. (+10 Party Influence, Hard target, Makes Technology and Training much harder, ~2 million men in the field)

[]Moderate Scale Buildup: While a large scale of military buildup would be preferable, the current focus on the economy would be better served by modernization along with a mild buildup of the army. (Moderate target, Makes Technology and Training harder, ~1.5 million men in the field)

[]Preparatory Buildup: A radical proposed solution to get around the need to produce a large quantity of equipment as instead, only a small quantity of budget would be devoted towards military production. Allowing a good degree of modernization and a smaller cheaper force. (-20 Party Influence, ~1 million men in the field)

Then a developmental target for new techniques and technologies.

[]Heavy Investments: The production of new experimental technologies should be a high priority for funding. Every possible project that can create some improvement should be pursued, despite the costs. (+5 Party Influence, Lots of options, development will be inherently risky, massive costs)

[]Moderate Investments: Prioritize in-doctrine approaches and improvements to problems that look likely to work. Much cheaper than heavy investments, such options prevent the creation of too radical shifts from proven equipment, allowing a good degree of conservation of resources. (Moderate options, some leaps forward)

[]Stick to Incrementals: Innovation would incur additional costs and a considerable quantity of expenses for re-tooling, better to stay with what is well known, and improve it. (Sequential improvements to base pieces, by far the cheapest)

Finally, the target for military training must be set.

[]Massive Preparatory Officer School Expansions: As a matter of fact, for a conscription-focused military, the presence of a large number of officers is critical to run it well. With the construction of a massive series of academies and preparatory schools, it should be possible to expand the lower officer and non-commissioned officer core to an enormous amount in preparation for full mobilization. (+10 Party Influence if taken with Preparatory Buildup, Very Expensive)

[]Officer School Expansions: The insufficient training of the military recruits has historically created a considerable problem with the officer and personnel cadres. Through the construction of multiple additional officer academies, a significant amount of progress can be made. While this expansion would be moderate, it should be enough for a future steady military buildup. (Moderately Expensive)

[]Veto all the proposals: There is no point in expanding the training schools. Current officer quantities are sufficient with a steady amount of additional commanders coming in. There is no need to change much of anything. (Saves a ton of money)

During the following morning, and with a slight hangover, you rapidly notice that there are over a dozen new folders all across your office, outlining a variety of critical goods for military production, along with a mobilization plan. Still, work never seems to end, and by the end of the day, most of the upper bureaucracy's minutiae have said hello by visiting and talking about specify why their department needs funding. After a nearly full day of meetings, a rapid re-organization of the department occurs to help coordinate the work and ensure that the hours required are not insane, with power given over to lower administrators to ensure a good work-flow. Still, plan targets must be set.

[]120% Increases in MFPG, 100% Increases in Capital Goods, 100% Increases in Consumer Goods, and a 20% increase in food production: (-20 Party Influence, Probably achievable plan)
[]150% Increases in MFPG, 120% Increases in Capital Goods, 120% Increases in Consumer Goods, and a 40% increase in food production: (-10 Party Influence, Near-Impossible to Achieve)
[]150% Increases in MFPG, 150% Increases in Capital Goods, 150% Increases in Consumer Goods, and a 50% increase in food production: (The Standard Plan, Unachievable in full)
[]175% Increases in MFPG, 150% Increases in Capital Goods, 175% Increases in Consumer Goods, and a 50% increase in food production (+10 party support, Fully unachievable according to economists)
[]200% Increases in MFPG, 175% Increases in Capital Goods, 200% Increases in Consumer Goods, and a 75% increase in food production: (+20 party support, Utter insanity according to economists)

Voting Moratorium of 4 Hours
Edit: This is the last of the pre-turn votes and probably the most important one
 
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Will we get instantly purged if we start with 5 PI? At the very least, we would have very little to work with for the first ~2 years of the Plan.

Because Preparatory Buildup combined with the massive officer academies seems like an appealing choice, but we totally want an actually achievable Plan goal.

Per Discord, 5 PI is an instant purging. 15 starts us with an active investigation. I don't think preparatory buildup with prep schools AND a realistic Plan goal is a great idea, then.
 
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Preparatory buildup sounds good, though I'm worried about the party influence.

Might as well go for Heavy Investment in tech. The party will like us, and we won't defeat the capitalists with just slightly better versions of what we have now.

We definitely need to train officers, but I'm uncertain how massively we need to invest.
 
What if we took the impossible target and say the war messed it up when we failed to meet it? Still getting shot i know.
 
Uhh @Blackstar for a complicated vote like this, plan voting may be a good idea, so we don't have an accidental split vote that starts us with 5 PI or some voters wanted to compromise on one thing and get benefits on the other but ended up with neither. What do you think, plan voting a good idea here?
 
Well we can't sink too much PI right out of gate or later in the years cause it's Purge'o clock sponsored by Comrade Stalin. So this plan is PI neutral and somewhat in the middle groundish.

[] Plan Lol
-[] Preparatory Buildup: A radical proposed solution to get around the need to produce a large quantity of equipment as instead, only a small quantity of budget would be devoted towards military production. Allowing a good degree of modernization and a smaller cheaper force. (-20 Party Influence, ~1 million men in the field)
-[]Moderate Investments: Prioritize in-doctrine approaches and improvements to problems that look likely to work. Much cheaper than heavy investments, such options prevent the creation of too radical shifts from proven equipment, allowing a good degree of conservation of resources. (Moderate options, some leaps forward)
-[]Massive Preparatory Officer School Expansions: As a matter of fact, for a conscription-focused military, the presence of a large number of officers is critical to run it well. With the construction of a massive series of academies and preparatory schools, it should be possible to expand the lower officer and non-commissioned officer core to an enormous amount in preparation for full mobilization. (+10 Party Influence if taken with Preparatory Buildup, Very Expensive)
-[]175% Increases in MFPG, 150% Increases in Capital Goods, 175% Increases in Consumer Goods, and a 50% increase in food production (+10 party support, Fully unachievable according to economists)
 
I think it's very important to get the nearly impossible plan that we can do with minimal number fixing, -10 PI hurts but the long-term effects of the bad info from the huge amount of number fixing the more ambitious ones require will hurt even more. We also definitely don't want to dip down to 15 PI, once our name goes on the "under suspicion" list it's not coming off any time soon and with the Great Purge coming we do NOT want to end up on the list. So moderate military buildup, moderate R&D investment, either the middle or massive officer training options, and the economic targets that are "merely" nearly impossible is the play here imo.
 
Since I don't want to go any lower than 25 PI and even that is pushing it... Three general plans stick out to me:

Plan small army
The Plan goals are pushing it and kind of unrealistic, but at least we won't have to work as hard to put men in the field and it includes a large officer expansion.
[]Preparatory Buildup: (-20 Party Influence, ~1 million men in the field)
[]Moderate Investments: (Moderate options, some leaps forward)
[]Massive Preparatory Officer School Expansions: (+10 Party Influence if taken with Preparatory Buildup, Very Expensive)
[]150% Increases in MFPG, 150% Increases in Capital Goods, 150% Increases in Consumer Goods, and a 50% increase in food production: (The Standard Plan, Unachievable in full)

Plan Achievable Targets
Middle of the road on all the options except for the Plan target, making it slightly less unrealistic. We will NEED all those Resources, I think the -15 is still worth it in retrospect.
[]Moderate Scale Buildup: (Moderate target, Makes Technology and Training harder, ~1.5 million men in the field)
[]Moderate Investments: (Moderate options, some leaps forward)
[]Officer School Expansions: (Moderately Expensive)
[]150% Increases in MFPG, 120% Increases in Capital Goods, 120% Increases in Consumer Goods, and a 40% increase in food production: (-10 Party Influence, Near-Impossible to Achieve)

Plan Modest Targets But Huge Army
Commits us to a massive army expansion but brings the Plan targets down to "probably achievable". I don't like this one much, because huge industrial expansions are better long-term than huge army expansions.
[]Large Scale Buildup: (+10 Party Influence, Hard target, Makes Technology and Training much harder, ~2 million men in the field)
[]Moderate Investments: (Moderate options, some leaps forward)
[]Officer School Expansions: (Moderately Expensive)
[]120% Increases in MFPG, 100% Increases in Capital Goods, 100% Increases in Consumer Goods, and a 20% increase in food production: (-20 Party Influence, Probably achievable plan)
 
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Yeah, I copied the wrong option, Small Army goes for the middle of the road Plan targets.
 
[ ] Plan Moderates with Officer Preparation
-[]Moderate Scale Buildup: While a large scale of military buildup would be preferable, the current focus on the economy would be better served by modernization along with a mild buildup of the army. (Moderate target, Makes Technology and Training harder, ~1.5 million men in the field)
-[]Moderate Investments: Prioritize in-doctrine approaches and improvements to problems that look likely to work. Much cheaper than heavy investments, such options prevent the creation of too radical shifts from proven equipment, allowing a good degree of conservation of resources. (Moderate options, some leaps forward)
-[]Massive Preparatory Officer School Expansions: As a matter of fact, for a conscription-focused military, the presence of a large number of officers is critical to run it well. With the construction of a massive series of academies and preparatory schools, it should be possible to expand the lower officer and non-commissioned officer core to an enormous amount in preparation for full mobilization. (+10 Party Influence if taken with Preparatory Buildup, Very Expensive)
-[]150% Increases in MFPG, 120% Increases in Capital Goods, 120% Increases in Consumer Goods, and a 40% increase in food production: (-10 Party Influence, Near-Impossible to Achieve)

Well, here's an idea? Moderate buildup to avoid losing PI, a Massive Preparatory Officer expansion for the future buildup of the Soviet Union, and lower the plan level by one. 25 PI at the end.

Would prefer the Buildup be Preparatory, but that would put us down to 15 PI and under investigation at the start, which is Not something we want in the same 5YP as the Great Purge.
 
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In Hearts of Iron 4, it's a curious thing - do you rush armies and conquer stuff and expand that way, or build lots of civilian factories and expand your industrial capacity and then just outproduce the enemy?

Or do you get conquered first?

I think having a smaller army in '37 and having spent more of our time and effort on expanding civilian capacity as much as possible will be helpful. Even if we fail to achieve the Plan, we will have build up more civilian manufacturing than any of the other options would have produced.
 
Yeah, I'm also leaning on Plan Small Army. Buildup of our industrial capacity is gonna be very important while we still have time before the Great Patriotic War.
 
This plan will minimize military expansion while maximizing Vasilevsky's officer training focus. This will make the Red Army more professional, less bogged down with obsolete equipment come wartime, and allow us to devote more money into economic expansion instead of useless military gear. The -10 PI cost hurts but is affordable.

[] Plan Economic Growth
-[]Preparatory Buildup: A radical proposed solution to get around the need to produce a large quantity of equipment as instead, only a small quantity of budget would be devoted towards military production. Allowing a good degree of modernization and a smaller cheaper force. (-20 Party Influence, ~1 million men in the field)
-[]Moderate Investments: Prioritize in-doctrine approaches and improvements to problems that look likely to work. Much cheaper than heavy investments, such options prevent the creation of too radical shifts from proven equipment, allowing a good degree of conservation of resources. (Moderate options, some leaps forward)
-[]Massive Preparatory Officer School Expansions: As a matter of fact, for a conscription-focused military, the presence of a large number of officers is critical to run it well. With the construction of a massive series of academies and preparatory schools, it should be possible to expand the lower officer and non-commissioned officer core to an enormous amount in preparation for full mobilization. (+10 Party Influence if taken with Preparatory Buildup, Very Expensive)
-[]150% Increases in MFPG, 150% Increases in Capital Goods, 150% Increases in Consumer Goods, and a 50% increase in food production: (The Standard Plan, Unachievable in full)
 
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Having an unachievable set of civilian targets isn't the best but this whole game is about choosing the less-bad option, and the minimum amount of military expansion should hopefully save us some resources that can go towards missing the targets by less than we otherwise would, maybe even getting within easy number cooking distance if we're lucky.
 
[ ] Plan Immortal Science
-[]Moderate Scale Buildup: While a large scale of military buildup would be preferable, the current focus on the economy would be better served by modernization along with a mild buildup of the army. (Moderate target, Makes Technology and Training harder, ~1.5 million men in the field)
-[]Heavy Investments: The production of new experimental technologies should be a high priority for funding. Every possible project that can create some improvement should be pursued, despite the costs. (+5 Party Influence, Lots of options, development will be inherently risky, massive costs)
-[]Officer School Expansions: The insufficient training of the military recruits has historically created a considerable problem with the officer and personnel cadres. Through the construction of multiple additional officer academies, a significant amount of progress can be made. While this expansion would be moderate, it should be enough for a future steady military buildup. (Moderately Expensive)
-[]150% Increases in MFPG, 120% Increases in Capital Goods, 120% Increases in Consumer Goods, and a 40% increase in food production: (-10 Party Influence, Near-Impossible to Achieve)

Moderate military buildup and another theoretically achievable plan with a unique (compared to all other plans as of now) focus on R&D. The intent is to stem the total party influence cost to -20 and to take advantage of our characters abilities and our significantly larger resource: while Mikoyan isn't a technocratic Titan like Malenkov and Basarvov, he does have a college education and practical experience, which should help us separate the chaff from the revolutionary by virtue of knowing what he's doing and being consulted by people who know what their doing. Furthermore, he's specifically trade focused: further risk mitigation can be done by stealing trading for experimental tech with the rest of the world and any major innovations we discover can be either traded for ever more tech/goodies or hoarded to ourselves-with a bit of luck our initial investment should give us incredible yields. It's important to note that the focus for this 5YP is military buildup; not sure we'll have as much opportunities for influence gain through agriculture.

Also gib computers gib rocketry gib techno-socialism. After we zap the Nazi's with laser-mounted BMP-1's and T-72's we're going to the mfn moon!
 
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