Attempting to Fulfill the Plan MNKh Edition
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Chimeraguard
We do deserve to exist.
Angara's one of the few viable Winter Options that won't always result in mass kilodeaths though (just several.) And we're gonna need the power generation sooner rather than later, since we're only at Meeting Demand (and most of Power Production Campaign Stage III is already done.)
Still, if a few other voters want to chime in on that, I'd be willing to swap The Great Trials over to trying to finish buses, do most (but not quite all of the Rail Stock), and just put any spare dice on Angara (which will hopefully result in far less casualties.)
DkArthas
CAPITAL IS TO BLAME
- Location
- Earth
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Building up rail stock is something we are going to want to do at some point anyway especially since it opens up further construction of rail lines where it is needed. It also will probably cause far less death in comparison. In summer, we can rush for Angara.
I would prefer avoiding unnecessary deaths when possible.
I would prefer avoiding unnecessary deaths when possible.
Chimeraguard
We do deserve to exist.
Ah yeah, the other reason I wanted Angara done this turn was because next turn is Summer, and Angara unlocks projects like gold and diamond mines IIRC.
Kuznetsk (Coal) would take on average 7 HI Dice to finish, 1 or 2 would probably finish up Magnitogorsk, and that means we could have 3-4 HI Dice (not counting any Free Dice we spare from Military next turn) could be used to maybe grab a gold mine to get more hard currency income for the rest of the Plan.
Kuznetsk (Coal) would take on average 7 HI Dice to finish, 1 or 2 would probably finish up Magnitogorsk, and that means we could have 3-4 HI Dice (not counting any Free Dice we spare from Military next turn) could be used to maybe grab a gold mine to get more hard currency income for the rest of the Plan.
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Eh, who cares about few thousands dead? Shock labor will rule the day! We will build future on the corpses of past! Angara will be build from the bones of people!
Exactly why do we need to go for SMGs or interceptors of Polikarpov this turn? These both might be nice to have, but not necessary to do as soon as possible. With SVTs and PD-36s in mass production we aren't exactly hurting for infantry firepower, and Polikarpov's interceptor wouldn't last, as it would be constrained by capabilities of older M-63 engine.
Next turn we probably won't have to trial all the artillery, so more dice available for stuff like SMGs, and we should get a trial for heavier fighters with more powerful engines than M-63 around then.
Right now we can use dice that are thrown at these options of relatively small utility elsewhere - like, for example, trialing scout vehicles, or throwing another dice at radios/rubber/Magnitogorsk/your other favorite LIght/Heavy Industry project (And, IMO, throwing 12-13 dice at Magnitogorsk is worth it, as it significantly increases the chance of it completing this turn and consequently getting us more resources to throw at projects next turn).
Assuming the comment 2-3 pages back was true, each turn railstock option automatically advances by 50 - that'd mean that each turn it stays unfinished it advances by 1 (average) die, and in our condition where we're constrained by number of dice available to put into things, that's not something to ignore.
Next turn we probably won't have to trial all the artillery, so more dice available for stuff like SMGs, and we should get a trial for heavier fighters with more powerful engines than M-63 around then.
Right now we can use dice that are thrown at these options of relatively small utility elsewhere - like, for example, trialing scout vehicles, or throwing another dice at radios/rubber/Magnitogorsk/your other favorite LIght/Heavy Industry project (And, IMO, throwing 12-13 dice at Magnitogorsk is worth it, as it significantly increases the chance of it completing this turn and consequently getting us more resources to throw at projects next turn).
Assuming the comment 2-3 pages back was true, each turn railstock option automatically advances by 50 - that'd mean that each turn it stays unfinished it advances by 1 (average) die, and in our condition where we're constrained by number of dice available to put into things, that's not something to ignore.
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- Location
- Fort Worth, TX
[X] Plan The Great Trials
Chimeraguard
We do deserve to exist.
[X] Plan The Great Trials, Rail Stock Focus
Infrastructure 8 Dice
-[X] Create Bus Lines, 3 Infra Dice (60 Resources)
-[X] Buildup of Rail Stock (Diesel, Western Regions), 5 Infra Dice (75 Resources)
Heavy Industry 12 Dice
-[X] Magnitogorsk Planned City(Stage 5), 11 HI Dice (220 Resources)
-[X] Power Production Campaigns(Stage 3), 1 HI Dice (20 Resources)
Light and Chemical Industry 6 Dice
-[X] Baku Oil Refineries, 4 LCI Dice (60 Resources)
-[X] Expanded Radio Plants Further, 2 LCI Dice (60 Resources)
Agriculture 4 Dice
-[X] New Socialist Towns(Stage 5), 2 Agriculture Dice (20 Resources)
-[X] Expand Factory Farms, 2 Agriculture Dice (30 Resources)
Services 4 Dice
-[X] Technical Colleges, 4 Services Dice (40 Resources)
Military 8 Dice (+4 Free Dice)
-[X] Trial New Heavy AA Guns, 1 Military Dice (20 Resources)
-[X] Trial New Divisional Guns, 2 Military Dice (40 Resources)
-[X] Trial New Interceptor(Polikarpov), 1 Military Dice (25 Resources)
-[X] Trial New Scout Tank, 1 Military Dice (20 Resources)
-[X] Trial New 45 Ton Tank, 1 Military Dice (25 Resources)
-[X] Trial New Level Bombers, 1 Military Dice (20 Resources)
-[X] Trial New Sub-Machine Guns, 1 Military Dice (10 Resources)
-[X] Perm Plant Expansion, 2 Free Dice (40 Resources)
-[X] Gorky Artillery Plant, 2 Free Dice (50 Resources)
Bureaucracy 2 Dice
-[X] Normalize Eastern European Trade, 2 Bureaucracy Dice
Resources Used: 835
Resources Remaining: 40
Here's a modified version of my plan that does go for Rail Stock/Buses over Angara.
You say it won't do much, but the Berezin machine guns weren't supposed to do much there either for our relatively small commitment, and they turned out to be a not-insignificant edge there as well.
Infrastructure 8 Dice
-[X] Create Bus Lines, 3 Infra Dice (60 Resources)
-[X] Buildup of Rail Stock (Diesel, Western Regions), 5 Infra Dice (75 Resources)
Heavy Industry 12 Dice
-[X] Magnitogorsk Planned City(Stage 5), 11 HI Dice (220 Resources)
-[X] Power Production Campaigns(Stage 3), 1 HI Dice (20 Resources)
Light and Chemical Industry 6 Dice
-[X] Baku Oil Refineries, 4 LCI Dice (60 Resources)
-[X] Expanded Radio Plants Further, 2 LCI Dice (60 Resources)
Agriculture 4 Dice
-[X] New Socialist Towns(Stage 5), 2 Agriculture Dice (20 Resources)
-[X] Expand Factory Farms, 2 Agriculture Dice (30 Resources)
Services 4 Dice
-[X] Technical Colleges, 4 Services Dice (40 Resources)
Military 8 Dice (+4 Free Dice)
-[X] Trial New Heavy AA Guns, 1 Military Dice (20 Resources)
-[X] Trial New Divisional Guns, 2 Military Dice (40 Resources)
-[X] Trial New Interceptor(Polikarpov), 1 Military Dice (25 Resources)
-[X] Trial New Scout Tank, 1 Military Dice (20 Resources)
-[X] Trial New 45 Ton Tank, 1 Military Dice (25 Resources)
-[X] Trial New Level Bombers, 1 Military Dice (20 Resources)
-[X] Trial New Sub-Machine Guns, 1 Military Dice (10 Resources)
-[X] Perm Plant Expansion, 2 Free Dice (40 Resources)
-[X] Gorky Artillery Plant, 2 Free Dice (50 Resources)
Bureaucracy 2 Dice
-[X] Normalize Eastern European Trade, 2 Bureaucracy Dice
Resources Used: 835
Resources Remaining: 40
Here's a modified version of my plan that does go for Rail Stock/Buses over Angara.
We have been receiving not-so-subtle hints from Blackstar in the discord practically every turn to the tune of "Your troops could really use SMGs", and the message from the Spanish Volunteers outright pleaded for a faster fighter ASAP.
You say it won't do much, but the Berezin machine guns weren't supposed to do much there either for our relatively small commitment, and they turned out to be a not-insignificant edge there as well.
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Scout vehicles would be nice in Spain as well (As the trial directly alludes to rough terrain encountered there), and they'd probably appreciate more radios too. And those won't depreciate like Polikarpov's new light fighter, but are not as quick and cheap to get from trials to mass distribution as SMGs.
So, in my opinion, SMGs can wait, and we shouldn't rush to get Polikarpov's lighter interceptor when we have a number of (likely better ones) interceptors in the pipeline.
Chimeraguard
We do deserve to exist.
I am getting scout vehicles though.
[X] Plan Even Greater Trials
Chimeraguard
We do deserve to exist.
Main question for me right now is whether or not to take a die away from Divisional Guns to get Light AA. It apparently does work on other autocannons, and I don't think we've gotten the ShVAK yet.
But if there's a poor quality roll on Divisional Guns (either from lacking the boost a high total roll gives or from a lower one because it was rushed), the Red Army might shelve the concept entirely.
But if there's a poor quality roll on Divisional Guns (either from lacking the boost a high total roll gives or from a lower one because it was rushed), the Red Army might shelve the concept entirely.
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- Location
- Moscow
- Pronouns
- He
[X] Plan The Great Trials, Rail Stock Focus
Hello everyone from the capital of the Motherland. I stumbled upon this quest by chance, read everything with great interest and even registered on the forum to participate in choosing a plan.
I would like to clarify some points that seemed to me a little not described.
1. There was a lot of information in the posts about conscientious ice cream, but Mikoyan was also interested in Soviet hamburgers. Since 1937 they have been produced under the name "Hot Moscow cutlets with a bun" in cities with large meat processing plants. However, unlike ice cream, they did not survive the Great Patriotic War.
2. But tomato juice survived the war. Since it was impossible to get analogues of American orange juice in the USSR, tomato juice took this position. By the way, it was served with a Soviet hamburger. Also in 1937, it became widespread with huge PR campaigns by the standards of the USSR.
3. The impossibility of growing grain crops in Georgia led to the popularization of tangerines, which ripened perfectly by the end of November-December, which was suitable for the growth of agricultural imports of the republic at the end of the year. Although the most massive and iconic New Year's Abkhaz tangerines will become already in the 60s, however, a softer policy towards farms clearly only helps in creating large fruit orchards in this version of the USSR. Collectivization severely damaged this, because everyone with a private infrastructure for the production of juices or dried fruits was recognized as subject to repression. Usually it was deprivation of property and resettlement within the region, but still, this did not help the richness of the country's diet. It's just that bananas are more likely something unique for the USSR, it is located too far north.
4. In the USSR, the recycling cycle in the glass container issue played a huge role. Not out of concern for the environment, the country is poor. A small range of glass containers and the system of "collateral value" ranged from 4% (champagne) to 50% (kefir or milk), which forced the population to actively return glass containers back to collection points at stores. Then there was a hot lye wash and a new fill.
5. The USSR clearly lacked paper from the very beginning of the country's existence. The Russian empire in this matter relied its entire history on imports, the economic isolation of the USSR in the 1920s aggravated the situation so much that part of the usual documentation was written on already used paper. In the early 1930s, the introduction of new paper mills improved the situation, but by the mid-1930s, the rapid growth of literacy caused new problems. For the archives, this became "junk companies", when tons of historical documents were deemed "unnecessary for socialist construction" and were simply handed over for recycling. This was aggravated by the fact that in 1938 the management of the archives was transferred to the NKVD.
6. The role of armored vehicles in the Soviet army is somehow very underestimated. The entire conscientious doctrine was built on quick strikes, similar to the Civil War, a frantic pace of strikes along the transport arteries, which created a unique experience for conscientious generals. That is why the BT had such strange wheels (and also because the metallurgy of the USSR could not make normal tracks, as well as metal machine-gun belts), and each USSR car had its own analogue in the form of an armored vehicle. GAZ-64 and BA-64, GAZ-AAA and BA-6. In addition, many armored vehicles became well armored tires, which in the doctrine of striking transport arteries only strengthened the ideas of the USSR. Also at that time, cars in general were all military, had special documents for military mobilization and were specially painted in camouflage colors, which made non-olive cars a rarity.
7. Somehow the capital itself was left without attention of the players. And there were many interesting projects at one time. A deep underground metro was under construction in Moscow. So much so that Kirovskaya station became the headquarters of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief.
There were also plans for the restructuring of Moscow and their implementation. As a result, the city center and the Kremlin were not demolished, but many historical buildings and temples are completely. Also, quite a few buildings were put on rails and even one monument for transportation to a new location. Also, since the NEP times, Moscow has been the capital of sweets, most of the country's confectionery factories were concentrated in it.
8. Heating electrical appliances were certainly used in the USSR, but a primus stove played a huge role in cooking homemade food in the city. A peculiar device, certified from Sweden, on kerosene or gasoline gained immense popularity, and I can find references to it among all the intelligentsia of that time, from Mayakovsky to Bulgakov. The latter generally mentions in the novel The Master and Margarita the phrase "Primus pochinyayu", which has become a common noun for the very process of setting up a capricious device.
Hello everyone from the capital of the Motherland. I stumbled upon this quest by chance, read everything with great interest and even registered on the forum to participate in choosing a plan.
I would like to clarify some points that seemed to me a little not described.
1. There was a lot of information in the posts about conscientious ice cream, but Mikoyan was also interested in Soviet hamburgers. Since 1937 they have been produced under the name "Hot Moscow cutlets with a bun" in cities with large meat processing plants. However, unlike ice cream, they did not survive the Great Patriotic War.
2. But tomato juice survived the war. Since it was impossible to get analogues of American orange juice in the USSR, tomato juice took this position. By the way, it was served with a Soviet hamburger. Also in 1937, it became widespread with huge PR campaigns by the standards of the USSR.
3. The impossibility of growing grain crops in Georgia led to the popularization of tangerines, which ripened perfectly by the end of November-December, which was suitable for the growth of agricultural imports of the republic at the end of the year. Although the most massive and iconic New Year's Abkhaz tangerines will become already in the 60s, however, a softer policy towards farms clearly only helps in creating large fruit orchards in this version of the USSR. Collectivization severely damaged this, because everyone with a private infrastructure for the production of juices or dried fruits was recognized as subject to repression. Usually it was deprivation of property and resettlement within the region, but still, this did not help the richness of the country's diet. It's just that bananas are more likely something unique for the USSR, it is located too far north.
4. In the USSR, the recycling cycle in the glass container issue played a huge role. Not out of concern for the environment, the country is poor. A small range of glass containers and the system of "collateral value" ranged from 4% (champagne) to 50% (kefir or milk), which forced the population to actively return glass containers back to collection points at stores. Then there was a hot lye wash and a new fill.
5. The USSR clearly lacked paper from the very beginning of the country's existence. The Russian empire in this matter relied its entire history on imports, the economic isolation of the USSR in the 1920s aggravated the situation so much that part of the usual documentation was written on already used paper. In the early 1930s, the introduction of new paper mills improved the situation, but by the mid-1930s, the rapid growth of literacy caused new problems. For the archives, this became "junk companies", when tons of historical documents were deemed "unnecessary for socialist construction" and were simply handed over for recycling. This was aggravated by the fact that in 1938 the management of the archives was transferred to the NKVD.
6. The role of armored vehicles in the Soviet army is somehow very underestimated. The entire conscientious doctrine was built on quick strikes, similar to the Civil War, a frantic pace of strikes along the transport arteries, which created a unique experience for conscientious generals. That is why the BT had such strange wheels (and also because the metallurgy of the USSR could not make normal tracks, as well as metal machine-gun belts), and each USSR car had its own analogue in the form of an armored vehicle. GAZ-64 and BA-64, GAZ-AAA and BA-6. In addition, many armored vehicles became well armored tires, which in the doctrine of striking transport arteries only strengthened the ideas of the USSR. Also at that time, cars in general were all military, had special documents for military mobilization and were specially painted in camouflage colors, which made non-olive cars a rarity.
7. Somehow the capital itself was left without attention of the players. And there were many interesting projects at one time. A deep underground metro was under construction in Moscow. So much so that Kirovskaya station became the headquarters of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief.
There were also plans for the restructuring of Moscow and their implementation. As a result, the city center and the Kremlin were not demolished, but many historical buildings and temples are completely. Also, quite a few buildings were put on rails and even one monument for transportation to a new location. Also, since the NEP times, Moscow has been the capital of sweets, most of the country's confectionery factories were concentrated in it.
8. Heating electrical appliances were certainly used in the USSR, but a primus stove played a huge role in cooking homemade food in the city. A peculiar device, certified from Sweden, on kerosene or gasoline gained immense popularity, and I can find references to it among all the intelligentsia of that time, from Mayakovsky to Bulgakov. The latter generally mentions in the novel The Master and Margarita the phrase "Primus pochinyayu", which has become a common noun for the very process of setting up a capricious device.
[X] Plan The Great Trials, Rail Stock Focus
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[X] Plan The Great Trials, Rail Stock Focus
You know what, on further thought I'm really not sure Angara in the winter is a good idea. I thought the kilodeaths would be worth it for the money printing Siberian diamond mines or whatever, but spending a bunch of dice on producing luxury goods for export to the capitalists in 1938 sounds like a really bad idea. The money printers will go up in the second half of '38, at the earliest, and then get at most like one year of income until the capitalists stop being interested in importing diamonds and start worrying about the massive war that just started. The dice to get the money printers operational would probably be far better spent on Zlatoust or Gorky or coal mines or really anything with an actual industrial application, and if the money printers aren't super worth it then Angara in the winter is a bad idea because we're racking up kilodeaths for nothing.
You know what, on further thought I'm really not sure Angara in the winter is a good idea. I thought the kilodeaths would be worth it for the money printing Siberian diamond mines or whatever, but spending a bunch of dice on producing luxury goods for export to the capitalists in 1938 sounds like a really bad idea. The money printers will go up in the second half of '38, at the earliest, and then get at most like one year of income until the capitalists stop being interested in importing diamonds and start worrying about the massive war that just started. The dice to get the money printers operational would probably be far better spent on Zlatoust or Gorky or coal mines or really anything with an actual industrial application, and if the money printers aren't super worth it then Angara in the winter is a bad idea because we're racking up kilodeaths for nothing.
- Location
- England
[X] Plan The Great Trials, Rail Stock Focus
Fine, let's avoid the kilodeaths and be responsible or something along those lines.
Fine, let's avoid the kilodeaths and be responsible or something along those lines.
Yeah I kinda forgot it's 1938 already, if we wanted the money printers the time to do them was a few years ago. Trying to get them online now is just the worst of both worlds, we sacrifice progress on actual industrial installations just in time for the export market to go down in flames and make them useless, the money printers should probably get postponed until after the war now that we're in the final desperate sprint to build enough tank factories.
- Location
- Austria
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That's what I've been saying a few years ago, yes.
We need both of those things, both rail and dam over there. Having money means we can pay for stuff we buy when war comes if need be, which is far from worthless, and Angara industrial nexus has value of its own in war.
For me, it's a cointoss on which takes prio, so w/e. Both rail and dam will hurt in winter.