- Location
- Virginia
I actually like this one. I was thinking of if we should use Velen and his flock/summon more to act as therapists/counselors to inmates but this works much better.
A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover
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I actually like this one. I was thinking of if we should use Velen and his flock/summon more to act as therapists/counselors to inmates but this works much better.
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- United States
A living censor? Are you freaking kidding me?
Yeah, Lya would annihilate any of those that came near her books.
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- florida
Or your personal moral code.
Or your religious tennents.
Or just being a generally stiff and determined person.
There a lot of Lee way.
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- Germany
Actually, back when we switched to LN, people were really pissed about that, especially as we got a large batch of Lawful points from a write-in vote.
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- France
Summoning Lantern Archons takes time, spell slots, and maybe even XP depending on who does it. I don't think that it's worth it at that scale. And would a Lantern Archon even want to be a babysitter?
We will rule over millions of people. We can't feasibly summon that kind of Lantern Archon numbers.
I would put a prison in major cities, yes. This may require more Archons. That's not a huge issue: we can summon them easily enough through Viserys (Blood Wish). Now massive numbers can't be done, but a dozen? That's the work of 2-5 days, tops!
And of course maybe every single prison doesn't need an Archon. Archons help design the system and help run it, but most administrators, guards and social services people will be ordinary humans. Every prison doesn't need an Archon 24/7. Remember that they can Teleport from prison to prison too, so they can easily spend a few hours in Tyrosh, then a few hours in Lys every day for example.
That's absolutely not it. For one thing "They're Lawful Good" is a terrible reason to pick them.
No, the thing is that there are Archon varieties who aren't straight-up fighters (we met a spy Archon once, remember?). And Archons are old. Furthermore, properly running a prison is the kind of thing that I expect Archons to have tried in the past. Therefore I'm hoping to get the names of Archons who have experience with prisons from Yrael&Co, and then summon a few to help design our prison system, and maybe help run it day-to-day.
EDIT: To be clear, I am not "making Archons our prison system". I just want to benefit from their expertise and PR advantages.
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- Virginia
Let's not let egoo find out about them...
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- United States
I remember being one of those people.
My fears were then proven unfounded when I figured out that Lawful in no way gets in the way of loot or sacrifices, so as always my concerns melted away.
Snowfire
Polyglot of Chimera
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- Wordcats
God what I would give for a few of those SLAs IRL.
egoo
Totally Not Creating Problems Where None Existed
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- Russia
Heeeey, here is our guilt-free target for
sacrifice and unethical experiments at making LG fungal pods!
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]Winning Vote:
[] Plan Sheltered Growth
-[] Rina is operating in this conversation with Air of Nobility and Divine Insight cast on her, pushing her social skills to a more reasonable level. In general, the below is suggested to be a plan that was made ahead of time, with the hope that her mother would come to meet her. It lays out certain boundaries, ones that I can see Rina agreeing to, but leaves the lion's share of the choices in her hands if she wishes to make them. This is her path to chart, the only help we can give is a map, and support along the way.
-[] If Rina wishes to introduce us as we are, then she is free to do so. We will acknowledge her as a sworn vassal, and one who has more than proven herself worthy of that distinction, by skill and heart.
--[] We will not do more than provide support along certain lines, leaving the majority of the conversation to Rina herself unless she stalls. This needs to be hers.
-[] There is to be no mention of her death to her mother, not now, possibly not ever - that final decision is hers, but for now things are too fragile. The easiest admission is one that she suffered greatly when the Sept was taken, but was able to reclaim herself.
--[] We will point out that she helped save us from a trap that could have killed both Dany, ourselves and several more, despite the danger in which it placed her very soul.
-[] If pressed, she may admit that she was cleansed of the power that had taken her by the Old Gods, something to which we can attest was done without bloodshed.
-[] Her changed appearance is a result of the power that ensnared her for a time, it is only that, now.
-[] As to magic, yes, she possesses it. It is hers, and that is all that matters. Where it directly comes from is to be avoided at all costs.
-[] In general, all major admissions are Rina's to make only if she wishes to. Viserys and Dany are directed to support her in finding the courage to do so, whilst protecting her and her mother from any revelations that would be too difficult to bear.
[] Plan Sheltered Growth
-[] Rina is operating in this conversation with Air of Nobility and Divine Insight cast on her, pushing her social skills to a more reasonable level. In general, the below is suggested to be a plan that was made ahead of time, with the hope that her mother would come to meet her. It lays out certain boundaries, ones that I can see Rina agreeing to, but leaves the lion's share of the choices in her hands if she wishes to make them. This is her path to chart, the only help we can give is a map, and support along the way.
-[] If Rina wishes to introduce us as we are, then she is free to do so. We will acknowledge her as a sworn vassal, and one who has more than proven herself worthy of that distinction, by skill and heart.
--[] We will not do more than provide support along certain lines, leaving the majority of the conversation to Rina herself unless she stalls. This needs to be hers.
-[] There is to be no mention of her death to her mother, not now, possibly not ever - that final decision is hers, but for now things are too fragile. The easiest admission is one that she suffered greatly when the Sept was taken, but was able to reclaim herself.
--[] We will point out that she helped save us from a trap that could have killed both Dany, ourselves and several more, despite the danger in which it placed her very soul.
-[] If pressed, she may admit that she was cleansed of the power that had taken her by the Old Gods, something to which we can attest was done without bloodshed.
-[] Her changed appearance is a result of the power that ensnared her for a time, it is only that, now.
-[] As to magic, yes, she possesses it. It is hers, and that is all that matters. Where it directly comes from is to be avoided at all costs.
-[] In general, all major admissions are Rina's to make only if she wishes to. Viserys and Dany are directed to support her in finding the courage to do so, whilst protecting her and her mother from any revelations that would be too difficult to bear.
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Part MMCDIV: Reforging Trust
Reforging Trust
Eleventh Day of the Sixth Month 293 AC
Casting aside your glamour and offering a bow as befits one being introduced for the first time to a lady of high birth and as Rina had tentatively asked you, so do you offer up your name and history. Pretender, sorcerer, and no doubt called other darker things than you may be you are still lord of House Targaryen, not one to be lightly discounted. Unsurprisingly you find yourself having to untangle a few misconceptions about magic and not least of all your purpose in Saltpans...
"I am here merely to help a vassal sworn and proven true," you explain in the starkest of terms. "Time and again she aided us at risk and cost to herself, though that is not my tale to tell," you offer a smile calculated to disarm suspicion. "Much as those closest to me may say I enjoy the sound of my own voice." It has been a long time indeed since you have used your age to charm and put others at ease, but it seems you have not lost your touch for Lady Cox sinks more fully into her seat, satisfied for the moment. She will, alas, almost certainly suspect some manner of romantic interest, absurd as that reflex may be, but that can be corrected later.
As you and Dany take an intentional step back to be supportive but mostly silent presences the discussion runs at first to platitudes and half-truths, but there are deeper currents beneath these seemingly tranquil waters, deeper fears and resentments than can be veiled over by even the shock of being found alive when one was thought dead. For after all, is not exile a manner to proclaim one dead in spirit if not in body? Still, Rina navigates the shoals and reefs of her history deftly, by borrowed skill and passion true. It cannot last much longer you know...
"I'm sorry mother, more sorry than I can ever say," Rina sighs. "I hope this time you can believe that I am speaking honestly and not from fear or self-interest..."
Though you doubt Rina meant it as a blow her mother flinches at the words. "I never believed you were lying. It wasn't... it's not my place to question your father."
And so the damn breaks, for not even the touch of winter undying can fully constrain the fire of the human heart: "Then why didn't you tell me?!"
"I... I thought you knew...." the lady trails off staring at the wall, or rather through it at some distant painful memory. "No, that's a lie..." she says at length. "I was afraid that if I encouraged you then you would quarrel with your father and leave again, and then you would die alone in some godsforsaken place."
"Encourage me...?" a snap of cold air fills the room, then Rina reels her moment of uncharacteristic anger in. "I'm glad you told me now, at least I'm glad I was never as alone as I thought then." Her next words are spoken so softly they are almost lost in the hiss of the lanterns. "Never as alone as They said."
So it is that you explain the doings in White Harbor, at times sporting Rina and others weaving lies, and at others taking up the tale yourself in full for she is too overcome by the horror of the memories of how she had been 'cursed'. Such a convenient word that true, yet it offers a mysterious veil to the full and gruesome tale, that Rina had died and lived again through the auspices of the Old Gods and their desire to spite their ancient foe.
Lady Cox goes through all the forms of shock you could name, from frantic questioning, to all but calling you a liar, to trying to seek a maester's opinion. At least it's not a septon. Still, in the end demonstrations of magic together with similes and comparisons you had honed for Scholarium students convinces her of the truth of your words. Her final reaction is in some ways just as unexpected as the ones that had come before, though wholly rational.
"The world is ending..." she shakes her daughter's reassuring hand off her shoulder. "If what you say is true then perhaps it will be replaced with a better one, but this world is ending and we have to prepare. Quincy will never understand, he will never believe anything short of a dragon flying over the keep." She looks around warily, almost as though she fears her husband might jump up out of some darkened corner in reaction to her lack of loyalty. "Rina, you have to warn your sisters about what's coming. Lord Blantree and Lord Terrick have to know. They will swear themselves to the dragons again I'm sure of it. I'll send letters..."
She is seeking the comfort of the familiar, a riddle she can puzzle out. Such days are these that even treason plotting might be a comfort, you think not without sympathy. Yet still another colder side to the matter emerges, a ruler's calculus. You could do with gathering more support among the Riverlands to keep the divided realm from falling into infighting when you finally declare your bid for the Seven Kingdoms.
What do you answer?
[] Reassure her that you will not need such a pledge
[] Thank her for the offer and accept it
[] Write in
OOC: There was a lot of rolling and it was tricky to write but it came out alright in the end, maybe a little too well given how Lady Cox latched on to the notion that Viserys will save the Seven Kingdoms.
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- Germany
Pretty much this. I think every prison should have a few minor Archons on staff though, simply because Lanterns are dirt cheap to summon and they are perfect as guards. They don't need to eat or sleep, so can easily be on stand-by at all times. They have Aid at will, which gives 1d8+3 temporary hit-points, which can be used both to buff guards and to stabilize wounded prisoners. Furthermore, nine of them can combine to become effectively a Large Air Elemental with a bit of other goodies and Aura of Menace is great to quell riots.
So I definitely want 9 Lanterns as part of the guard contingent of each prison and one Preceptor who rotates around the prisons and advises the re-socialization program.
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- being near locations is my passion.
Oh, wow. Ok. Just... Make it a lower case g, and I'm on board. Personally, the reason I didn't want a prison system is that DP said that community service looks like slavery to people with a planetos background. We get a few archons or pheonixes or whatever's to do the diplomancing about the difference and rehabilitation/resocialisation/social-action-based-mindrape-equivalant of the prisoners, and use a few of them.
- Location
- Virginia
Huh. While I'm all for having the loyalty of more houses. I'm unsure of how to get her to adapt to a new world. Really makes Snowfires actions with Rhaella more significant, if this is how Lady Cox is reacting to the terrors of magic.
Edit: So do we need her pledge? I'm thinking that Lady Cox thinks we won't protect the Seven Kingdoms/ Riverlands without their pledge. Is she correct?
Edit: So do we need her pledge? I'm thinking that Lady Cox thinks we won't protect the Seven Kingdoms/ Riverlands without their pledge. Is she correct?
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- Germany
It's never wrong or premature to accept Viserys as your personal lord and savior.
And I have to give her a lot of bonus points for actually fully understanding the implications of what is happening.
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- Germany
@DragonParadox, why does she think her husband won't get it without a Dragon sitting in his solar?
She did not say explicitly but Viserys suspects is has something to do with newfound faith which is in turn a consequence of meeting the angel Baelor.
Snowfire
Polyglot of Chimera
- Location
- Wordcats
*loud coughing*
Something to recall is that, to the common men and women of Planetos, the full sweep of how powerful magic is is akin to finding out that the sun actually rises in the west and you've been spending your entire life looking at its reflection. This is the sort of thing that breaks the unprepared, and there is a damn good reason that I choose to be so careful when people we or our Companions care about have to get read into parts of the new reality. Lady Cox is quite interesting here, but I think there's a better way to handle this then telling her she's not of use or letting her commit treason. Use our own network to pass messages instead of trusting them to messengers, for one. We need, on more than one level, to say yes to her. It's good politics, but it'll also be good for her to be useful. This is similar to how Rhaella tried to help us in her own little ways whilst we were explaining the new world to her, and has continued to do so since. I just would rather not put her directly in the line of fire, as Rina would...not deal with the consequences of her getting caught all that well. She's getting through this on the foundation of our support and some pretty powerful social buffs (I know they're not high up in the Circles of magic, but they're still damn strong). She won't always have those.
[X] Thank her for the offer and accept it
-[X] See the letters sent through your own network of servitors, to distance Lady Cox as fully as possible from any touch of guilt. It is better to be careful in these times.
-[X] Offer her one small piece of advice, though, if she or others might fear for their souls. There are trees that stood before the Long Night, that sheltered humanity from its grasp, and those who tend to them ready even now to stand against it a second time.
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- Germany
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- He/Him
And how might he react to a visit to Mantarys' ruler?
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- Who knows?
Eh divine intervention can increase it or give an archetype or class that casts on something else. And honestly her daughter being a young agent of enemy gods is all the more reason for some too-clever-by-half diety to empower someone with direct authority and guidance over her in a subversion effort. It would also be a general extension of the Andal favored strategy of "marry and convert" that seems to be going on. After all, in an effort to appease his Seven following wife, Eddard built a Sept in the middle of Winterfell, central place of the last major bastion of OG worship in Westeros. Closest thing to an OG holy city. Like imagine someone building a church in Medina or Mecca.
We heard the rumor. I'd be up for following up on the Storm lands next turn for devil, alchemist and general Baratheon family updates.
Snowfire
Polyglot of Chimera
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- Wordcats
It's an addition. We already have several parts of one.
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- ?????????
My hate for Catelyn Stark outweighs my love for the Starks. If she is a champion of the Seven its either subversion or murder and frankly the Sept isn't a big deal. The Old Gods really don't care at all about worship and prayers. As long as blood is paid in full, they do not care much for what prayers you make.