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- Australia
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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover
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- United States
Did a bit of updating to the Other Adventurers sheet regarding Danar and Alyssa. I'll likely get more in once we learn their gear IC and invite them over to our capital for a bit to relax.
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- Germany
As far as I was concerned, it was nothing, which is my point. We both responded to what we perceived the other to be saying, which was not really what the other meant.
I didn't mean to imply you intentionally misrepresented my words, just that it happened.
And corollary here is that I should be more circumspect about the vast amounts of implicit moral judgement you inane mortals have to pour on every single word. Especially that everything seems to be automatically cruel these days...
I still maintain that tyranny is a perfectly neutral word though, and that's an Acropolis I'm willing to die on!
Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
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- Formerly of the Far Realm
We should be able to pick it up next month. Don't let us forget to use it as you planned, either. I think it needs to be an actual action, if one that only uses a day or two of dedicated time. It's a bit more work than what I would think of as a minor action.
With a base crafting price of 4900 IM the page would normally take 24.5 days to complete. If the crafter we commissioned has any of the crafting discount feats, they could get it down to 3675 or even 2940 IM, but even getting it done faster won't help us much in this case, because we'll be in the middle of our expedition to Valyria when they finish.
- Location
- Brazil
I don't remember this?
When I wrote that vote I thought we have something beyond "chop of X limb" as sentence.
tarrangar
Fat arctic chicken
There's also the fact they are a team of 2, they never have lower leveled PCs leaching EXP, and they only have to split it 2 ways, that mean they need less impressive encounters to level up.
Eh I will just tell anyone using my name as an insult to go fuck themselves, I don't have to be polite if they aren't.
A ring that allows the bearer to cast tree-stride three times per day as a fifth level druid
You also have fines.
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- Germany
We don't and DP somewhat emphasises that whenever we talk legal matters with Malarys. Our legal punishment options are:
- fines
- seizing of properties
- corporeal punishment (lashing, mutilation, etc.)
- capital punishment (hanging and beheading)
- sacrifice
- Location
- United States
My favorite punishment. I'm very happy with these particular lawbreakers. In a way they do community service.
The Sandman
So Zetta Slowpoke
- Location
- Wherever I am, which isn't where I'm not
On the subject of the justice system, a few thoughts.
Fines need to be calculated according to the wealth of the individual being fined; otherwise it turns into a way to cripple the poor while barely slapping the rich on the wrist.
Rehabilitation is the main goal of the prison system; prisons are used to ensure that a person won't need to commit crimes to support themselves or out of insanity while being given career training or psychological assistance, whichever they might need.
Corruption and white-collar crime need to be punished more severely, as they shake people's trust in society in a way that ordinary crime doesn't.
Animal abuse needs to be taken as seriously as any other form of abuse, because of what it reveals about a person that they would mistreat a being completely within their power.
Rape, first-degree murder, arson not stemming from mental illness, kidnapping, slaveholding are automatic death penalty offenses. In a world with properly used D&D magic, the likelihood of executing an innocent is almost nil, and in the worst-case scenario the state can soak the cost of whatever Raise Dead tier is necessary.
Sacrifice of criminals is reserved for traitors, of which "traitors against life" aka servants of the 3Ds or Intruders (malevolent Far Realm entities) are a subset. Corruption and espionage are considered treason if the damage is especially severe or if it can be shown that residents or allies of the realm were needlessly killed by it.
Lese-majeste is explicitly not a thing; libel/slander laws will cover insults to the crown the same as they do insults to anyone else.
Think that's everything important for now, let me know if I missed something and I'll try to fill in that gap.
Fines need to be calculated according to the wealth of the individual being fined; otherwise it turns into a way to cripple the poor while barely slapping the rich on the wrist.
Rehabilitation is the main goal of the prison system; prisons are used to ensure that a person won't need to commit crimes to support themselves or out of insanity while being given career training or psychological assistance, whichever they might need.
Corruption and white-collar crime need to be punished more severely, as they shake people's trust in society in a way that ordinary crime doesn't.
Animal abuse needs to be taken as seriously as any other form of abuse, because of what it reveals about a person that they would mistreat a being completely within their power.
Rape, first-degree murder, arson not stemming from mental illness, kidnapping, slaveholding are automatic death penalty offenses. In a world with properly used D&D magic, the likelihood of executing an innocent is almost nil, and in the worst-case scenario the state can soak the cost of whatever Raise Dead tier is necessary.
Sacrifice of criminals is reserved for traitors, of which "traitors against life" aka servants of the 3Ds or Intruders (malevolent Far Realm entities) are a subset. Corruption and espionage are considered treason if the damage is especially severe or if it can be shown that residents or allies of the realm were needlessly killed by it.
Lese-majeste is explicitly not a thing; libel/slander laws will cover insults to the crown the same as they do insults to anyone else.
Think that's everything important for now, let me know if I missed something and I'll try to fill in that gap.
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- France
Allow me to disagree:
1. That depends: is the fine there to dis-incentivize an action, like fines for speeding IRL? Then yes you are absolutely right. Is the fine there mostly to make you pay for damages that you caused? In that case things get sketchy: shouldn't there be a minimum amount corresponding to how much damage needs fixing? You can always make it more expensive for the very rich if you want of course (I'd be for it), but sometimes having an expensive minimum can make a lot of sense. See port fines for those who damage port infrastructure for example. Of course the government could agree to foot the bill and make every fine a "dis-incentivizing fine". Is that what you want?
2. Fine.
3. Yep.
4. Ridiculous. Animals aren't people. There's a fundamental difference there that you're missing: having an animal in your control isn't the same as having a person in your control. People know this, and therefore do crazier shit to animals than they would to people. And punishing abuse to animals the same way as abuse to people is punished is deeply insulting and dehumanising to abuse victims. This seems like an IRL ethics issue that we'll have to disagree on, but in D&D terms there is a fundamental difference between humans and animals. They are RAW conceptually different.
5. We aren't killing all slavers yet. I suppose that we can argue that if it was legal before we invaded and you weren't too crazy about it you can be left to live...
6. Sacrificing "normal" traitors isn't something that we do.
7. Of course! We can always apply anti-treason laws if sedition is getting too rampant. Your comedy show is being used to further the aims of the traitorous cultists, please stop those jokes now.
EDIT: I actually think that these kinds of details (lese-majesté, animal rights...) can be abstracted away. I mostly wanted to know if murderers and rapists went to jail or were killed, and if theft lead to jail. So far the answer seems to be "we kill murderers and rapists, but things like theft might get jail or might get a fine depending on circumstances [and posters]"
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- Brazil
Copycats
I bet Glyra can kick his ass all day, any day.
Lets institute a new mode of conflict resolution:: Dueling Through Gremlins.
So meta.
I mean, it's not like BR would abuse the technicalities of, say, letting this one red dragon he knows on that some people he's interested in might or might not be showing up at this time and place, right?
Nice reference.
Can't comment much on prison now, differential equations midterm in an hour and a half, and I haven't got a wink of sleep, but I mostly agree with @Azel here. I think I even floated something similar a long while ago? Anyway, community service is essential as to not waste everyone's time and effort on just keeping people locked for arbitrary amounts of time. Reintegration is a crucial part of a penal system, and evil-doers better work to make themselves net-zero in cost at least.
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- France
A thought: having Archons running our prison system (with oversight and co-design from Malarys and us of course) will do wonders for its PR. So if community service looks like slavery, then why not have Archons explain to people why that's not the case? They have excellent Diplomacy and social skills, can read Xor's book if needed if they're going to interact with humans (and work for us) a lot, and they benefit from everyone's natural tendencies to think positively of Celestials.
- Location
- Argentina
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- France
No, that picture is the Cold War IRL. Dueling through Gremlins would be this:
- Location
- Germany
The legal practice that we've settled on is that mostly leave conquered slavers alone, baring those doing truly heinous shit to their slaves.
However, for those who keep practicing slavery after conquest, it's anchored in the constitution that you get a noose. Don't move past Go. Don't collect 200 IM. Go straight to the nice fellow with the hood.
Which reminds me that we still don't have set up state controlled mass-media.7. Of course! We can always apply anti-treason laws if sedition is getting too rampant. Your comedy show is being used to further the aims of the traitorous cultists, please stop those jokes now.
@Goldfish, what's the ETA on Viserys TV?
You are making a good case for letting any external work-crew being supervised by at the very least a Lantern Archon. They will gladly throw the book at anyone who claims this is slavery within their earshot and likewise make sure that nobody gets funky ideas about abusing the prisoners.
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- Germany
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Perfect solution for the 'warden's become !funny little tyrants' problem.
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- Mexico
I really like Danelle, most of the Seven must hate the poor girl, which begs the question, who gets to marry her?
The Maiden herself is going to marry Yss of course, but everyone who follows Yss is either too old, a snake or Vee.
*Stares at Vee with a contemplative look*
Nah.
Maidenhood is chrysalis, a phase designed to end. Only when we are free from it, do we know ourselves.
The Maiden is transitive by nature, we just need to clear a bit of her Pantheon and she can change into something else.
The Maiden herself is going to marry Yss of course, but everyone who follows Yss is either too old, a snake or Vee.
*Stares at Vee with a contemplative look*
Nah.
Maidenhood is chrysalis, a phase designed to end. Only when we are free from it, do we know ourselves.
The Maiden is transitive by nature, we just need to clear a bit of her Pantheon and she can change into something else.
Can Danelle marry? I mean she's technically a Septa I think.
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- Mexico
If her Goddess marries, she marries, it is known.
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- Germany
Are you sure about that assessment?
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- Mexico
I know it sounds like a joke, but it fits so well with Andal culture and traditions, things going to shit? Marry off your daughter.
We need to be prepared for the Seven offering the hand of the maiden to one of our Gods, if she doesnt come forward herself.
We need to be prepared for the Seven offering the hand of the maiden to one of our Gods, if she doesnt come forward herself.
Not 100%, no, but Danelle follows The Seven, she is not an enlightened Dornishwoman, i doubt she or her Goddess would like that match.
Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
- Location
- Formerly of the Far Realm
Valeria will complete the first one, linking Tyrosh's arena to SD's, this month. Next month, without the need to produce so many Whispering Braziers and other items, she can complete several more.
Which cities should we place priority on for receiving the next ones? I'm thinking Lys, right after we conquer it, Tolos, and Mantarys for the next batch.
It would be nice to have them ready to install immediately after a city is conquered or otherwise brought into the Imperium, in order to begin the indoctrination process in earnest.
- Location
- France
I do want competent Archons involved in the design and running of our prison system, but I don't want 1 Lantern Archon per work crew! That's a crazy amount of Archons, especially if we aren't putting all the work crews on a small number of megaprojects but instead have them do local-scale works near whatever prison they're in.
But yes, Archons are (theoretically, we'd have to summon and Diplomance the right one!) both competent, dependable, and Good enough to be trustworthy in their role and to prevent abuses.
Of course I don't mean to take any random Archon and let them design our system. I want an experienced Archon to help design our prison system alongside Malarys (and if possible Viserys, and maybe even Maelor for the work experience) to have something practical yet fundamentally Good. The point here is reform after all, and drumming some more Law (and maybe even less Stupid Evil) into the prisoners is a good objective. All the decisions that an Archon may not take should be part of the judicial system: the design and day-to-day running of the prison is a perfect task for a skilled Lawful Good Archon. Furthermore, Archons would be a massive PR boon, as I said.
I'm going to push for this "establish prisons" major action next turn.
- Location
- Who knows?
Well Danelle obviously has the hots for Brandon, but considering her Goddess is the Maiden I'm somewhat suspicious she has to remain, well a Maiden. From what I can gleen from Canon, a woman is supposed to progress from pure Maiden to Mother to old Crone in the religion. Alas, considering Danelle's divine patron that might be tricky. (concept Celric? OMG what if some clever bitch decides to make Catelyn the mother rep. Not sure if the thought makes me want to laugh maniacally or scream in terror)
Also this interlude is great! I wonder when the Reach 4 and Lucan met. Did the God's set it up or did they hear about each other through the grapevine? And man definitely asking about how that went when we inevitably meet. I'm glad that they agree Lucan totally seemed to be wasting his time since its implied to me he spent a lot of time trying to do this. However, considering Alyssa and Danars levels I'm expecting the other Westerosi adventurers to be similar or higher.
Also this interlude is great! I wonder when the Reach 4 and Lucan met. Did the God's set it up or did they hear about each other through the grapevine? And man definitely asking about how that went when we inevitably meet. I'm glad that they agree Lucan totally seemed to be wasting his time since its implied to me he spent a lot of time trying to do this. However, considering Alyssa and Danars levels I'm expecting the other Westerosi adventurers to be similar or higher.