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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Abhishek M said:
:eyebrow:... how are we not good again?:V:whistle:;)

Not discmagreeing. I agree wholeheartedly. But come on Paarthuraxx would approve.
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Good in D&D is determination to do the Right Thing no matter the personal cost, or even scale of cost on an institutional level, like that of a Kingdom.

It is always acting from a moral high point and resolving never to step down from that pinnacle placed position. That anything else is unacceptable, and that entreating with "Lesser Evils" or even committing harm to someone who does not deserve it is something that shatters the foundations of your own character.

For immortal spirits, this makes perfect sense. For a mortal king who has to act with the well being of not only his subjects, but his close friends and family, it is impractical.

Thus, Lawful Neutral. We act within an ethical framework and most of our decisions come from that background. Morals don't enter into the argument. You have a set of decision points that determines the "right" course of action based on a sense of justice.

In this case, while innocents did die, the Alchemist's Guild was a strategic target that produced weapons that made war, infiltrated by unholy spirits bent on the subjugation of all of man.

That innocents died is regretful, but technically, there is no such thing as Geneva Conventions barring our hand here, so we did not do wrong under our own framework of action resolution.

If we had signed such accords, we obviously would have acted differently, but it would have been based on politics, not morals.
 
Here's the edited version:

The words cut deeper than you might like, for they recall too closely your father's doings. He too was fond of making pyres in the name of justice. Though resolved to your course you are not blind to its evils. Something of that dull pain awakened anew must have rippled across the link for you feel Dany's fingers twine with yours: "Sometimes the best option is not good of just, yet still be must be taken lest through inaction we make things worse."

Hopefully this makes it clear that this is not a surprise or a shock to Viserys, simply prodding at sorrow he knew and acknowledged.
 
You know one day I want us to drop that line when we get called our for our red heritage.

Viserys:"What is better - to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort?"

Also DP nice but typos in Danys reply. Here it is fixed.

Sometimes the best option is neither good or just, yet still must be taken lest through inaction we make things worse."
 
Umm not to derail the thread but if next month if Viserys is just drinking Celestial mead on the beachside (exaggerates extremely) can we also find any leylines that run through the realm?
 
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The thing about this is that while I wasn't enthusiastic about the plan ... I also didn't have a better idea, nor was one presented. Maybe we could have kidnapped some informants and been more judicious in our extermination, but that would have taken time and been risky, especially since we were playing with devils and wildfire. Going for the 'flip the table' approach always seems like a better idea than playing their game, now we just have to deal with the mess.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by egoo on Oct 5, 2018 at 11:57 AM, finished with 233890 posts and 15 votes.
  • [X] Leave, you've done your part and said what needed to be said
    -[X] Begin arrangements at once to rescue Thoros' friend enthralled in the Vale
    [X] Answer
    -[X] Cast Message on her and Gerion and tell them the following:
    -[X] "If you look to those who yet live clad in those robes, and who practice a craft that would have seen this city burn, you will find the guilt we spoke of."
    -[X] Leave and begin arrangements to rescue Thoros' friend enthralled in the Vale.
    [X] "Your King!"
    -[X] Begin arrangements at once to rescue Thoros' friend enthralled in the Vale
    [X] Ham it!
    -[X] Have Tyene Major Image the Targaryen Symbol on the night sky.
    -[X] "Your rightful king!"
    -[X] Begin the Restoration War!
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I just read the latest chapter of Wounds, and it had some really cool Davis spymaster stuff.
We need some of that in this quest. We need to figure out someone's clever master plan and then smugly reveal it IC to someone we don't especially like

And so I want to move against Varys as soon as possible.

[X] Duesal
 
Hmm, Operation Sinkhole...

I like it. Better than the "Alchemist's Doom" that was bouncing around in my head.
 
[X] Leave, you've done your part and said what needed to be said
-[X] Begin arrangements at once to rescue Thoros' friend enthralled in the Vale.

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Forgot to vote,
napped too long,
hope this won.

Editedit: accidental haiku?
 
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Artemis1992 said:
That was an excessivly weird tangent, from the PoV of having read only the fixed version.

I was quite sure that @Azel was worried about nothing...
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Hah! Same here. I was like "Come on guys, its not that bad!"

I also chucked my idea at the wrong time apparently (couldnt see current discussion). I'll post it again now:

How about a King's Picnic? Grab Lya and Dany and invite any subject that wants it to an informal picnic at the park. Spend some time with our subjects.
 
bigbow said:
Hah! Same here. I was like "Come on guys, its not that bad!"

I also chucked my idea at the wrong time apparently (couldnt see current discussion). I'll post it again now:

How about a King's Picnic? Grab Lya and Dany and invite any subject that wants it to an informal picnic at the park. Spend some time with our subjects.
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That's a bit excessively informal.

How about a small tourney?
We are Westerosi after all and the Circle of Battle is currently too small for proper jousting.
 
Azel said:
That's a bit excessively informal.

How about a small tourney?
We are Westerosi after all and the Circle of Battle is currently too small for proper jousting.
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With some sort of aquatic sport for our tritons!
i know i know! we need to invent a new sport, where some of the positions need to be taken by large creatures and some by small, that way our Minotaurs and Monkeys get to shine.
 
Please don't tell me we're going to invent blitzball.

Even if this quest is an FFVI crossover in disguise.

Also, since I'm new here and everyone seems to have their own thing, I'll state that my quixotic windmill to tilt at is finding a reliable route to and from Sigil so that we can make regular expeditions there.
 
Let's do the tourney guys. Also invite Rhango and add mounted archery as a discipline. Nothing like horse related violence to have our subjects bond.

Also, Viserys joins the joust as the Black Knight.
 
Azel said:
Let's do the tourney guys. Also invite Rhango and add mounted archery as a discipline. Nothing like horse related violence to have our subjects bond.

Also, Viserys joins the joust as the Black Knight.
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Jousting is retarded and I refuse to support us ever participating in it.
 
Even the Braavosi appreciate jousting!

If only because it's excessively barbaric and quaint! Just ask Uthero and all of his drinking buddies, they love it!
 
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