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- France
If we manage to find a way to run thousands of actions a second, then we don't actually need any orbital weaponry.
A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover
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Snowfire
Polyglot of Chimera
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- Wordcats
Temporal acceleration is in fact a thing. Have the critter chained up in a demiplane with a variable temporal trait. It's only 1/round to it, but not to us on the Material.
And then we start setting up banks of them. At which point you basically have a computer. Just better.
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- Germany
Or we use a thousand Quasits whose minds are linked by a mixture of magic and grafting.
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- Germany
As I always say, you can make something useful out of everyone.
- Location
- Australia
Not our flight speed, just our wings as in-flight adjusters until we veer off (Teleport is better) at the last moment.
Crake
I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING
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- USA
Manual manipulation by hand will never be more accurate than straight flight with minimal course correction from an apparatus specially constructed to nudge it without sending it spinning out of control.
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- ?????????
[X] Azel
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- Germany
I don't think Viserys would survive re-entry at orbital speeds. That's a lot of pressure on those wings. And if he slows down enough for a safe decent, the weapon loses most of it's power.
Also, I doubt he would be that much of an aid there in the first place. The path is pretty much a done deal once you begin re-entry, barring Herculean efforts.
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- United States
Easy. Resilient Sphere. We're using the mobile version.
Bounce right through the atmosphere.
EDIT: Come to think of it, we could totally be our own meteorite.
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- Germany
Then you can no longer steer the projectile, since you are just an unaerodynamic bubble clinging to it. You are most likely going to drag it wildly off-course.
Honestly. If targeting is a problem, just scale up the projectile. At some point it no longer matters if you are half a click off-target.
- Location
- Germany
Got nothing for them. Well.. except...
Adding:
-[] Zherys
--[] Inquire about his thoughts and the state of Volantis.
Snowfire
Polyglot of Chimera
- Location
- Wordcats
Meant to ask this last night, but do you have a source on that first statement? I wasn't implying that the Mothers were once human, I was considering that they might have once been mortal, the same way Mab was.
- Location
- Mexico
I like to think they used to look like dinosaurs before humans rose to prominence.
- Location
- Brazil
[X] Azel
To put it simply, that's like trying to fit Gurren Lagan and Magical Detective Noir in one setting.
No one ever asked if the Galaxy-tossing mecha would lose a fight to something or someone for a reason. It's bringing logic into shounen.
Saying "oh [my character] could totally destroy a galaxy!" is really just puffing up your character just for bragging rights and Internet vs fights, because unless your story is about Galaxy-destroying things fighting each other, it doesn't matter.
D&D, and specially 3.5/PF, is incredibly versatile. And here I'm not highlighting that fact in and of itself, but a consequence of it: that's akin to saying can do nearly everything with a modicum of effort. So, reading Book 4 now, Harys jaw-drops on seeing a nearly perfect illusion covering two people, a feat which would take incredible finesse and skill... And is either Invisibility or a simple Image spell.
Or healing, we have Healing Belts for 75 gold a piece that contain around 26 points of healing on average, enough to instantly heal multiple gunshots, to bring someone from the verge of dying. It's a trivial feat for D&D magic, but in many, many setting, healing is incredibly hard, it not impossible.
So, chances are, effects that are either incredibly rare or even nonexistent in a setting can be found as relatively mainstream spells. That's the implication of saying it's incredibly versatile.
To highilight this: there was a "wizard 20 in Exalted" thread on giatitp a while ago. Yes, Exalted. And while it was mostly agreed that his ability to assist in fights would be very limited, tho not inexistant, the fact that he could teleport would making him a fantastic addition, by itself, to any circle-team-thing of Exalts. Because the very Fetish Soul of a Primordial can manage, essentially, a Dimension Door at best. Because teleportation is just that hard under those rules. Coincidentally, so is healing.
What I'm saying is, D&D is very personal in scale, generally speaking. You wouldn't get to nuke a city in one spell... But while your fireball can't one-shot a city, it can take a serious bite off the Balrog, you get what I'm saying?
It has many absolute effects, also: Mindblank, Freedom of Movement, Fortification, Death Ward, Starmantle, etc. Not only on the defensive, but you also have Orbs of Force, Evervations, Shadows of the Doom, Avasculate, Destruction, Implosion, Binding, Smoky Confinement, Petrification, Trap the Soul, etc.
It's just that, if those effects work at all, there's nothing you can do where they are concerned, that's why I call them "absolute", yes? They say "you are immune to this", "Save: No", "you die", things like that. "You might be the biggest baddest mamba-jamba in town, but unless you are immune to Death effects, you better start rolling a Fort save, because that Finger of Death just hit you". That kind of thing.
Even simple Haste. Cast in on one of those Knights of the Cross, and they could become up to twice as effective. Nearly any system you pick, "you get an extra attack" is a great boost at least.
So it'd be incredibly hard to, say, mind-control a Hive with a eight hundred million habitants, like a Beta Telepath could attempt, but you are game for taking on a Bloodthrister in a fight. Because that's your edge, qualitatively superior and very wide affects, but only skirmish-scale.
I did have to be told that Skillet is an actual Christian band, tho
Now, can a lv 24 paladin solo a Great Wyrm Red Dragon? Well, one can cast ninth level spells, the other is a great beaststick. Technically, the Pally does have a chance. He has to bring it to a brawl, and then it's Smite Time. AFAIK, it doesn't make it an even fight. It makes it a fight.
I think it's fair to say the very act carries commensurate power to what's being sacrificed.
I really did just chose to ignore that because, well, at that point it's more of a plot device, or a feature of the background than a character.
To put it simply, that's like trying to fit Gurren Lagan and Magical Detective Noir in one setting.
No one ever asked if the Galaxy-tossing mecha would lose a fight to something or someone for a reason. It's bringing logic into shounen.
Saying "oh [my character] could totally destroy a galaxy!" is really just puffing up your character just for bragging rights and Internet vs fights, because unless your story is about Galaxy-destroying things fighting each other, it doesn't matter.
... They are magical girls.
Oh, don't get me wrong, that was just idle late-night rambling on my part.
Tho I will answer this, again I'm not looking for a vs debate, just explaining my point of view ya? This goes in general for most crossovers.
D&D, and specially 3.5/PF, is incredibly versatile. And here I'm not highlighting that fact in and of itself, but a consequence of it: that's akin to saying can do nearly everything with a modicum of effort. So, reading Book 4 now, Harys jaw-drops on seeing a nearly perfect illusion covering two people, a feat which would take incredible finesse and skill... And is either Invisibility or a simple Image spell.
Or healing, we have Healing Belts for 75 gold a piece that contain around 26 points of healing on average, enough to instantly heal multiple gunshots, to bring someone from the verge of dying. It's a trivial feat for D&D magic, but in many, many setting, healing is incredibly hard, it not impossible.
So, chances are, effects that are either incredibly rare or even nonexistent in a setting can be found as relatively mainstream spells. That's the implication of saying it's incredibly versatile.
To highilight this: there was a "wizard 20 in Exalted" thread on giatitp a while ago. Yes, Exalted. And while it was mostly agreed that his ability to assist in fights would be very limited, tho not inexistant, the fact that he could teleport would making him a fantastic addition, by itself, to any circle-team-thing of Exalts. Because the very Fetish Soul of a Primordial can manage, essentially, a Dimension Door at best. Because teleportation is just that hard under those rules. Coincidentally, so is healing.
What I'm saying is, D&D is very personal in scale, generally speaking. You wouldn't get to nuke a city in one spell... But while your fireball can't one-shot a city, it can take a serious bite off the Balrog, you get what I'm saying?
It has many absolute effects, also: Mindblank, Freedom of Movement, Fortification, Death Ward, Starmantle, etc. Not only on the defensive, but you also have Orbs of Force, Evervations, Shadows of the Doom, Avasculate, Destruction, Implosion, Binding, Smoky Confinement, Petrification, Trap the Soul, etc.
It's just that, if those effects work at all, there's nothing you can do where they are concerned, that's why I call them "absolute", yes? They say "you are immune to this", "Save: No", "you die", things like that. "You might be the biggest baddest mamba-jamba in town, but unless you are immune to Death effects, you better start rolling a Fort save, because that Finger of Death just hit you". That kind of thing.
Even simple Haste. Cast in on one of those Knights of the Cross, and they could become up to twice as effective. Nearly any system you pick, "you get an extra attack" is a great boost at least.
So it'd be incredibly hard to, say, mind-control a Hive with a eight hundred million habitants, like a Beta Telepath could attempt, but you are game for taking on a Bloodthrister in a fight. Because that's your edge, qualitatively superior and very wide affects, but only skirmish-scale.
Well, now I can't possibly not check it out.
I did have to be told that Skillet is an actual Christian band, tho
Yeah, that also struck me as weird. When Ferro does the super-gravity trick and Michael shows off by saying "maybe that'd have saved him", I think that perhaps you could say, on the mechanics of our end, that the sword makes you a level-appropriate paladin.
Now, can a lv 24 paladin solo a Great Wyrm Red Dragon? Well, one can cast ninth level spells, the other is a great beaststick. Technically, the Pally does have a chance. He has to bring it to a brawl, and then it's Smite Time. AFAIK, it doesn't make it an even fight. It makes it a fight.
Which is something interesting to think about: the power of sacrificing something in and of itself.
I think it's fair to say the very act carries commensurate power to what's being sacrificed.
Yss already ate a god, he just took a while to digest it.
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- Germany
What? No. Kira.
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Rule 1: There's a spell for that.
Rule 2: If Rule 1 does not apply, there's a item for that.
Rule 3: If neither Rule 1 nor Rule 2 apply, there is an Arcanum for that.
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Vote Tally : A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover | Page 9218 | Sufficient Velocity [Posts: 230443-230481]
##### NetTally 1.9.10
[X] Plan Tidbits
-[X] Velaryon
--[X] Encourage him to trade with Dorne, Braavos or the Tritons to prop up his income.
--[X] Suggest to send your own preacher to exploit the situation with the empty septs. You have just the right person to make this move backfire greatly on the High Septon and the Ursuper.
-[X] Brune
--[X] Promise to keep in touch by brazier to solve the Maester issue soon.
--[X] Also see about sending some Pech and a B-Party to aid his dig at the Whispers next month.
-[X] All Westerosi Lords
--[X] Recount the events of the poisoning of Lord Brune and the Maester spy in the Scholarium. The Maesters are not to be trusted.
--[X] Current projection for the Restoration are towards the end of this year. You will ramp up your efforts in Westeros as Essos calms down. This includes settling a certain score Doran might be looking forward to.
-[X] Sealord
--[X] The next month will see some geopolitical changes. He should be ready for them.
-[X] Zherys
--[X] Inquire about his thoughts and the state of Volantis.
No. of Votes: 10
Plan: ◈Tidbits
Azel
das_slash
Duesal
Goldfish
Massgamer
One Autumn Leaf
SeekerofLight
Shador
Takesis
TotallyNotEvil
Total No. of Voters: 10
Vote Tally : A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover | Page 9218 | Sufficient Velocity [Posts: 230443-230481]
##### NetTally 1.9.10
[X] Plan Tidbits
-[X] Velaryon
--[X] Encourage him to trade with Dorne, Braavos or the Tritons to prop up his income.
--[X] Suggest to send your own preacher to exploit the situation with the empty septs. You have just the right person to make this move backfire greatly on the High Septon and the Ursuper.
-[X] Brune
--[X] Promise to keep in touch by brazier to solve the Maester issue soon.
--[X] Also see about sending some Pech and a B-Party to aid his dig at the Whispers next month.
-[X] All Westerosi Lords
--[X] Recount the events of the poisoning of Lord Brune and the Maester spy in the Scholarium. The Maesters are not to be trusted.
--[X] Current projection for the Restoration are towards the end of this year. You will ramp up your efforts in Westeros as Essos calms down. This includes settling a certain score Doran might be looking forward to.
-[X] Sealord
--[X] The next month will see some geopolitical changes. He should be ready for them.
-[X] Zherys
--[X] Inquire about his thoughts and the state of Volantis.
No. of Votes: 10
Plan: ◈Tidbits
Azel
das_slash
Duesal
Goldfish
Massgamer
One Autumn Leaf
SeekerofLight
Shador
Takesis
TotallyNotEvil
Total No. of Voters: 10
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Snowfire
Polyglot of Chimera
- Location
- Wordcats
Rule 4 (eventually): If none of the above apply, there is a Lya for that.
dpara
slightly confused ascendant
Stupid addicting Dresden files addiction.
Regarding the knights, I don't think it becomes a CR appropriate encounter, more like "I have luck".
e.g. They don't fight the firebreathing dragon when it can fly and breath fire e.g. the fight is in a cave, under a heavy storm, or a falling tree pierced the wings. ... basically the GM loves them xD.
Personally I don't really like use seeing the D&D rules as cosmic laws, they were made for squad level combat simulation and that's what they are good at. For me to have any consistency in the setting there must be some sort of "Conservation of Magical Energy" in effect, e.g. we've had that problem with Goodberries feeding a city.
Regarding the knights, I don't think it becomes a CR appropriate encounter, more like "I have luck".
e.g. They don't fight the firebreathing dragon when it can fly and breath fire e.g. the fight is in a cave, under a heavy storm, or a falling tree pierced the wings. ... basically the GM loves them xD.
Personally I don't really like use seeing the D&D rules as cosmic laws, they were made for squad level combat simulation and that's what they are good at. For me to have any consistency in the setting there must be some sort of "Conservation of Magical Energy" in effect, e.g. we've had that problem with Goodberries feeding a city.
- Location
- Mexico
Rule 5: If all else fails, just sacrifice things until the problem goes away (SACRIFICES = POWER!).
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