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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Deliste said:
And/Or they want rebellion and those who chafe under the Efreeti aren't exactly fans of the Shaitan, I can easily see Salamanders inspired to rebellion by the success of a Red Dragon when they'd scoff at the efforts of the Shaitan war.
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I got this impression too. @Azel, the Shaitan were pretty upfront about their hope that the symbol of a Red Dragon, a powerful creature of fire, would inspire various tribes to go against the Brazen Throne. They can wage war against the Efreeti just fine, but that's not the point. Creatures of fire aren't going to be following their lead.
 
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Duesal said:
I got this impression too. @Azel, the Shaitan were pretty upfront about their hope that the symbol of a Red Dragon, a powerful creature of fire, would inspire various tribes to go against the Brazen Throne. They can wage war against the Efreeti just fine, but that's not the point. Creatures of fire aren't going to be following their lead.
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This works well for us too, Plane of Fire could be a powerful bastion for us with the synergy of our personal abilities and the capability to field serious Cold/Water magic alongside all the other forces generally expected from someone of our level.

With Earth, Air and the current subservients on board with the equation Viserys > Sultan it's as close to free planar real estate as we can get while being relatively easy to hold.
 
Deliste said:
And/Or they want rebellion and those who chafe under the Efreeti aren't exactly fans of the Shaitan, I can easily see Salamanders inspired to rebellion by the success of a Red Dragon when they'd scoff at the efforts of the Shaitan war.
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They could also bankroll a Salamander warlord through proxies.

Red Dragons don't have the best reputation. Not even in the Plane of Fire.

Edit: Mind you that I'm not saying that assuring our loyalty was the only goal, just that I perceive it as one of the core goals.

Like any good plan, this one has no loose conditions, just varying types and degrees of success.
 
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Duesal said:
Taken to Sorcerer's Deep.
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The vote specified that we're only taking one Azer in SD, the one who maintains the Lightning Throwers. I vehemently protest against bringing more Kraals to the Prime Material. I say we left them at port, or free in case of the mephits in the wilds of the Plane of Fire. We just have their names for summoning if needed.

Destrark said:
Gonna be very busy rest of week so not sure how much of the rest will be done, I'll probably get back to this the coming weekend.
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It's shaping up nicely. Great work!
 
Takesis said:
The vote specified that we're only taking one Azer in SD, the one who maintains the Lightning Throwers. I vehemently protest against bringing more Kraals to the Prime Material. I say we left them at port, or free in case of the mephits in the wilds of the Plane of Fire. We just have their names for summoning if needed.
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I wasn't excited about it either, but basically we left all of the other fire creatures on standby until we have the time for the Planeshifts to go on overdrive to get everyone to Sorcerer's Deep.

We're now obligated to get a bunch of Kraals to Prime Material.
 
Deliste said:
Are you equating our capabilities for success here with that of a bankrolled Salamander?

Either a weak argument or a shameful one, Azel.

:p
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You know me. I'm a politician.

Someone who knows the local political landscape and has the skills and connections to leverage that could do tremendous damage.

Give me a puppet-leader and the Sultan will soon rule over nothing outside his city walls.
 
Just put the Kraals under Glyra, she's shaping up to lead a fantastic magical harrier force and should be able to circumvent their wild enthusiasm with greater experience.

Imagine that force bothering Casterly Rock :D
 
Takesis said:
Can't we offer their services to Ytren instead? I want them away from our groves and leshies!
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Lol, if any of them are so colossally stupid as to burn the Heart Trees, they get sacrificed.

That said, I think they won't do that. The stupid ones will be weeded our in a few months after they inevitably run afoul of our laws.
 
Deliste said:
Just put the Kraals under Glyra, she's shaping up to lead a fantastic magical harrier force and should be able to circumvent their wild enthusiasm with greater experience.

Imagine that force bothering Casterly Rock :D
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Should we maybe also loot a bunch of Imps for her?

You know?

Making it as bad as it can get?
 
Azel said:
You know me. I'm a politician.

Someone who knows the local political landscape and has the skills and connections to leverage that could do tremendous damage.

Give me a puppet-leader and the Sultan will soon rule over nothing outside his city walls.
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The puppet needs to play along and survive, I dare say the Shaitan have tried this before and then the Salamander started acting out, power got to his head, he could be the new Sultan, until he was assassinated or usurped and the Sultan came through to sweep them up and the Salamanders learnt not to fuck around for a hundred years or so.

But when Rexserr Fangtooth spits in the face of the Sultan there will be no example to be made. In ten years Focale the Furious will remain to tweak the Sultan's nose and even a century from now the humiliation of failing to catch Zargus Blackwing III will haunt the Sultan.
 
Deliste said:
The puppet needs to play along and survive, I dare say the Shaitan have tried this before and then the Salamander started acting out, power got to his head, he could be the new Sultan, until he was assassinated or usurped and the Sultan came through to sweep them up and the Salamanders learnt not to fuck around for a hundred years or so.

But when Rexserr Fangtooth spits in the face of the Sultan there will be no example to be made. In ten years Focale the Furious will remain to tweak the Sultan's nose and even a century from now the humiliation of failing to catch Zargus Blackwing III will haunt the Sultan.
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The more I think on this the more likely I find it that the Shaitan have been trying the puppet thing for a while and by now are basically Planar USA to Planar Middle East, half the failing states arising from their failed attempts and deeply ingrained cultural mistrust of any Shaitan led rebellions, they always fail.
 
Deliste said:
The more I think on this the more likely I find it that the Shaitan have been trying the puppet thing for a while and by now are basically Planar USA to Planar Middle East, half the failing states arising from their failed attempts and deeply ingrained cultural mistrust of any Shaitan led rebellions, they always fail.
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Hm... that would be a valid explanation.
 
Deliste said:
The puppet needs to play along and survive, I dare say the Shaitan have tried this before and then the Salamander started acting out, power got to his head, he could be the new Sultan, until he was assassinated or usurped and the Sultan came through to sweep them up and the Salamanders learnt not to fuck around for a hundred years or so.

But when Rexserr Fangtooth spits in the face of the Sultan there will be no example to be made. In ten years Focale the Furious will remain to tweak the Sultan's nose and even a century from now the humiliation of failing to catch Zargus Blackwing III will haunt the Sultan.
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Don't forget his greatest minions, the Hollow of Jasirian and the Horrific, Terrifying, Ruthless Dracolich, Amy.
 
Man, getting people rating your jokes and one-liners from five months ago is like getting a snapshot into your own Greatest Hits collection.

From jokes about Jon Snow's hot dead mom, to paraphrasing Zegram's Magnus the Red as Abraxas and Viserys as an abusive asshole who stalks and torments Demon Lords for shits and giggles.
 
Crake said:
Man, getting people rating your jokes and one-liners from five months ago is like getting a snapshot into your own Greatest Hits collection.

From jokes about Jon Snow's hot dead mom, to paraphrasing Zegram's Magnus the Red as Abraxas and Viserys as an abusive asshole who stalks and torments Demon Lords for shits and giggles.
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I'm not ashamed to admit I've cracked myself up something fierce from time to time.
 
Out of curiosity, what's the canonical Ice spell equivalent of the Shadow of the Doom was based off of? I vauglely remember that the temperature bands and stuff were in the original.
 
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"Rattleshirt's dead," Stark announced shortly.

"You make that sound like cause for concern not celebration," Aemon noted, taking a seat and a cup of weak wine whose greatest virtue he had to admit was warmth.

"That's not the whole of it." the ranger replied. "We found him kneeling by a dead weirwood, turned to ice."

"Frozen solid eh?" the Lord Comander asked. "Not that strange."

"No, he was made of ice, shattered like fucking glass when Will pushed him over... no blood, no flesh, just ice."
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I want this spell.

Just like we have Shadow of the Doom for petrification, making ice sculptures (or possible blue ice) could come in handy.

But holy hell this spell is neat.
 
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