Well. Isn't someone Special.

I know I've only been posting on this quest a few months, but in future when new people come into the quest it might be less confusing if the voting apparatus was upgraded to something that more closely approached the way things actually work. It is obvious that some people's votes are more important than others, so we might as well formalize that by having a two chamber legislature instead of a unicameral one. The Senate would decide most issues, and only when they had one they could not agree on among themselves would we need to even worry about it. Helps to keep us from getting our hopes up.

I'm probably out of here, at least as far as posting goes. I'll probably follow the actual updates for a while, but it has become obvious that my input in other ways is both unwelcome and fruitless. There is at any rate an upcoming issue I feel even stronger about than I did this one, and when failing Scholarium students are encouraged to turn into robots for short term gain, I'll most likely drop reading the quest as well.

Have a wonderful time, and You can all now do you.


Damn it... I hate losing players, but even more so I hate it when my attempt to entertain people upsets them instead. For whatever it's worth I will miss your contributions a great deal and hope you reconsider. Also the fey is not unhappy with her new condition.
 
I can't imagine she would be, her new home took over ~60,000 GP in construction and reagents alone put together...
 
I really like Diana as name for this Arcanum.

Btw @Goldfish, was the upgrading of all current Arcanums to 7 HD taken care of already or is that something that still needs to happen? I'm in the middle of editing the front page and I'm a bit stumped on what to do there.
I'm pretty sure that takes dedicated actions, and we'd note the drained XP.

@Goldfish I'm not sure Tailcurrent would work, it affects individual creates and only underwater.
 
Sleep hasn't claimed me yet! Which actually sucks because I am very tired.

I really like Diana as name for this Arcanum.

Btw @Goldfish, was the upgrading of all current Arcanums to 7 HD taken care of already or is that something that still needs to happen? I'm in the middle of editing the front page and I'm a bit stumped on what to do there.

I like Diana as well, @Crake.

The Arcanum have not yet been upgraded. We need to handle that next turn for sure.

[X] Plan "Fat Bottomed Ships, You Make This Rockin' World Go Round!"

@Goldfish Invite the CotF?

Yes. Only thing better might be specialized and dedicated Wizard.

Done.

@Goldfish, can we also make the Queen Rhaella a big item of Cerulean Sign for extra protection?

Kinda. That spell causes an Instantaneous effect, which means we could make an item capable of casting the spell, but it's not something we could make into a constant effect.
 
I'm pretty sure that takes dedicated actions, and we'd note the drained XP.

@Goldfish I'm not sure Tailcurrent would work, it affects individual creates and only underwater.

It should. The current itself would be under the water, as is the part of the ship being affected.

@DragonParadox?

If not, we can use Slipstream to accomplish a similar speed boost, though with a shorter duration and no area effect.
 
Reopen the goddamn votes this instant.

Also not sure were the Dryad Seed became TNEs... Just because he wished for everything fancy for his new ship way back when.

Is it enough to mention ideas and then claim special previlegies months from now?

Goodday.

Damn it, looking over the votes before the update. I found someone else who was so upset they quit.

I won't be able to update for a while.:(

There isn't anything to say but I'm sorry genuinely so and hope you can at least enjoy the story going forward.
 
I'm really hoping that us substituting the oars on the ritual means she rows herself.

Current baseline crew should look like this:
- 90 skilled sailors
- 280 full-time rowers
- 100 ballistae gunners
- 15 Scorpion gunners, incluing 5 master (lv 5) engineers
- 120 "reserve" men, which do everything, from gruntwork needed for sailing, to substituting for rowers, to reloading ballistae during combat.
- ~15 officers
- ~60 petty officers (either assistants to officers or skilled personnel of some sort)
- ~150 marines (dedicated fighters)

With extraneous capacity for about 300 more people.
Good news: Queen Rhaella is absolutely awesome, and can row and fire her weapons herself.

If she is rowing mid-combat, she is probably going for a ramming attack, so only the scorpions can really fire due the heading.

I'm not sure she can sail herself, but we'd want sailors at least for captured, rescued or raised ships.

Still, this does knock down like five hundred people off the crew, easy.
 
I hope so, just have a pessimistic outlook right now.
Hope you feel better soon.

Quick rules question: have you altered the way the identify ritual works compared to the spell? And if so, can you tell us the alterations? I figure this is something Viserys (and Lya) would know, either because of very high spellcraft or the Shaitan curse breaker telling them when we first bought the thing.

Also, does Analyze Dweomer exist in this game or not?
 
Hope you feel better soon.

Quick rules question: have you altered the way the identify ritual works compared to the spell? And if so, can you tell us the alterations? I figure this is something Viserys (and Lya) would know, either because of very high spellcraft or the Shaitan curse breaker telling them when we first bought the thing.

Also, does Analyze Dweomer exist in this game or not?

  1. Only in that artifact is a far broader and more diffuse term. It does not have to be the work of a god
  2. If it does it's as a rare ritual
 
Good news: Queen Rhaella is absolutely awesome, and can row and fire her weapons herself.

If she is rowing mid-combat, she is probably going for a ramming attack, so only the scorpions can really fire due the heading.

I'm not sure she can sail herself, but we'd want sailors at least for captured, rescued or raised ships.

Still, this does knock down like five hundred people off the crew, easy.
I wouldn't think she would get fatigued (it is the ship that is doing the rowing, she is just controlling it) so that should markedly increase strategic-scale speed, since she can make the ship row all the time.
 
  1. Only in that artifact is a far broader and more diffuse term. It does not have to be the work of a god
  2. If it does it's as a rare ritual
Are all intelligent items automatically artifacts?

Okay, would casting spells like legend lore aid in researching such items? Are our characters already doing that?

Does the blood chest give off a magical aura? If so, what cl?

It seems fairly likely that the staff we found is intelligent and has magic aura as an at-will power. Have we tried an area dispel on the staff plus arcane sight to determine it's cl? If the blood chest has no aura, can we do the same to it?

Speaking of arcane sight, when we met Zherys, did Viserys take the time to learn his highest available spell level while they were talking? It only takes a standard action, and wouldn't even interrupt conversation.

Thanks for taking the time to answer my questions!
 
Are all intelligent items automatically artifacts?

Okay, would casting spells like legend lore aid in researching such items? Are our characters already doing that?

Does the blood chest give off a magical aura? If so, what cl?

It seems fairly likely that the staff we found is intelligent and has magic aura as an at-will power. Have we tried an area dispel on the staff plus arcane sight to determine it's cl? If the blood chest has no aura, can we do the same to it?

Speaking of arcane sight, when we met Zherys, did Viserys take the time to learn his highest available spell level while they were talking? It only takes a standard action, and wouldn't even interrupt conversation.

Thanks for taking the time to answer my questions!
  1. Yes
  2. It helps, Dany used it. The results will be in the next update
  3. No, it does not
  4. You have not tried tossing dispel magic at it, but it could simply have magic aura as a constant effect, in which case supresing it would also suppress the rest of the staff's magic
  5. I honestly forgot about that part of the spell... it's seventh.
 
Damn it, looking over the votes before the update. I found someone else who was so upset they quit.

I won't be able to update for a while.:(

There isn't anything to say but I'm sorry genuinely so and hope you can at least enjoy the story going forward.

Got too upset about that vote, just, how there has been alot of votes decided by little discussion and a fast majority within the hour before.

But next time, wait until the vote has 2/3 majority, if youre waitinng anyhow. Artemis were just about to flip too so thats salt in the wound.

Atleast you kept it open until Das_Slash came online too to argue his cause. Just am pretty confounded how the dryad seed became something associated with a thing Ive been critical to. When I were looking forward to where Vee's character would take things. More opinionated companions is great.

Anyhow, apologies for the salt, could have handled that better. Ill admit its a neat idea with a dryad fleet, might be the best way to tie Moonsong to us aswell.

Sorry DP, Ill stick around, dont usually have time to do more than read updatea anyway. :)
 
A lot of the people slinging votes during the second half of that runoff was due to people waking up and catching up with discussion.

I never, ever vote without being up to the last page, unless the vote ran overnight, in which case I at least make sure to read the contending plans.

And I don't doubt a lot of people are similar in that they like to be completely informed about what's been discussed before casting a vote, even if it means missing the deadline.

I had always known which side I would pick in that runoff. We had discussed it earlier, and I was opposed initially. I changed my mind because tangential issues related to it were no longer as combative... I had assumed. I was gravely mistaken, or at least looking in the wrong direction.

That I initially vehemently disagreed with @TotallyNotEvil on his plan and changed my mind... weeks ago, yet still took the time to be as informed as possible, kind of makes the whole "the whole thing was stopped for the benefit of one person" argument toothless as heck. It annoys me also because it implies that I cannot join a supermajority side in a debate without having no opinion whatsoever.

I have plenty of opinions. A lot of us do.

I digress... I don't think I know who I'm trying to convince anymore of anything. Can I help that I don't feel like the people who got upset over this have any real reason to? I had assumed that the vote would run for longer than it did too, because, specifically, it was a vote in contention, and deserved a chance for most of the regulars and non-regular voters and planners to get a opportunity to share their opinion and cast a ballot.

A number of you disagree with me. Maybe not verbatim opposition of what I just said, but at the end, your stance is in opposition because apparently it supersedes or completely sidesteps that???

So whatever, yeah, that's cool. I'm honestly not even that miffed, just confused and concerned because @DragonParadox is going to take this to heart, but what exactly he should be taking to heart? Who can really say?

If you wanted to be constructive, rather than creating goal posts that don't exist, maybe we should have spent all of that extraneous energy on debating the merit of a more conducive voting process for contentious issues, allowing them to get the time they require for discussion and inclusive to people from different time zones, well in advance of a vote actually closing?

Because that's harder than just bitching about your favorite windmill, I guess.

Edit: Just to be clear, I'm not trying to attack anyone in particular. I apologize in advance if it came off that way.

But I do, quite frankly, find this whole thing, and similar subjects that have arisen recently, completely fucking Quixotic.
 
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@Crake think you missunderstood me there. English is hard. :S

Dont really want to keep grating this, just wanted a chance to leave a final word to clear whys up.
 
I was doing similar, @Fehu, I in no way whatsoever wanted you to feel attacked by that, I'm just as frustrated that I cannot appeal to everyone's better interests with rationality or constructive discussion.

Sometimes people do need to hear that shit though, in the general vein.
 
@Azel: a thing to keep in mind for the future. Often when there is no plan submitted it isn't because no-one knows what to do. It's because the 3 or 4 main posters don't really have a clear idea of what to do, and those who wanted the action won't post plans. One thing I agree with @AntaeusTheGiant on is that if you aren't part of a small group of regulars, there's no point in participating in writing plans. People will wait and vote for the identical plan submitted by main posters later on the very same page. This has happened to me repeatedly (which is why I don't write plans anymore).

@DragonParadox this isn't your fault and there's nothing you can do about it. Don't take this personally.
 
Got too upset about that vote, just, how there has been alot of votes decided by little discussion and a fast majority within the hour before.

But next time, wait until the vote has 2/3 majority, if youre waitinng anyhow. Artemis were just about to flip too so thats salt in the wound.

Atleast you kept it open until Das_Slash came online too to argue his cause. Just am pretty confounded how the dryad seed became something associated with a thing Ive been critical to. When I were looking forward to where Vee's character would take things. More opinionated companions is great.

Anyhow, apologies for the salt, could have handled that better. Ill admit its a neat idea with a dryad fleet, might be the best way to tie Moonsong to us aswell.

Sorry DP, Ill stick around, dont usually have time to do more than read updatea anyway. :)

Thank you for explaining your position. I will keep that in mind next time.

I think the issue was that I was so eager to write the update that I did not realize just how contentious the vote was.
 
Ok, so Lohos for now when she's Queen Rhae, the Explorer. Then Grazdan later when we are assaulting Slaver's Bay.

Grazdan still destined for her though, I think. Look at all those Class Features!

[X] Goldfish
 
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