I mean, we kinda told them not to.

Yeah, but we also weren't here when a lot of that shit was taking place.

We only told them not to get into our currently running Charlie Foxtrot, there wasn't a damn thing stopping them from doing their own before we showed up.

The cat can complain all it damn well pleases, but if it didn't help bake the bread it's not eating a damn crumb from the crust if I have anything to say about it.
 
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@DragonParadox, Viserys still has his True Sight charge on the earrings, right?

He used it already during the major fight to prevent anything invisible from jumping him
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  • [X] Plan Being Disgustingly Helpful
    -[X] "It is indeed a worrying thought that such artifacts could fall into the hands of creatures that had beleaguered this city. Yet while I trust the Fiery Hand to drive away the weaker servants of the pit, I must say that their leaders could have easily slipped past even the best soldiers to steal such treasures unhindered."
    -[X] "You have a good point and given the extensive activities in the catacombs below, it would be wise to bring them to safer places. Would we know each other better, I would offer to store them in my vaults for you, though I think the Iron Bank would be a good intermediate, given our very recent acquaintance. After all, they have a reputation to deal fairly, no matter with whom."
    -[X] "I will gladly aid you in accounting for all these artifacts and aiding with the transport and since they need to be handled anyway, this would be a good opportunity to reassess some of these objects. The waxing of magic has empowered many an old treasure and some might no longer be safe to store at all and should rather be disposed off."
    -[X] "It is such a shame that my coffers will be strained with rebuilding the areas affected the worst by the fighting. Had I enough coin to immediately rebuild this area, it would be easy to assess the catacombs and do some work on the temples vaults, so that a small contingent of Fiery Hand could adequately protect these things and the temple itself."
    -[X] Note: Cutting down the Fiery Hand to maybe 120 people, which is enough for three shifts of 40 ceremonial guards.
    [X] Ask how many men he thinks are necessary for the protection of the temple, its grounds, and its interests.
    -[X] Try to gauge his true motives, if he seems receptive ask him outright.
 
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He used it already during the major fight to prevent anything invisible from jumping him
Damn. Anything else we can use to subtly detect possession?

The question is a good one. Why would the Reds not act when Daemons became a noticeable problem some months ago? They could have earned some decent prestige from that and they are close enough two no less then two cult bases to have heard something.

Unless the Flame Keeper is a cultist and the Fiery Hand was only meant to be deployed to cover something up.
 
Damn. Anything else we can use to subtly detect possession?

The question is a good one. Why would the Reds not act when Daemons became a noticeable problem some months ago? They could have earned some decent prestige from that and they are close enough two no less then two cult bases to have heard something.

Unless the Flame Keeper is a cultist and the Fiery Hand was only meant to be deployed to cover something up.

We might be attributing malice from incompetence.

The Red idiot is a big god to be sure, but it's only been relatively recently since he could actively act on the 'mortal' plane. Add in the fact that the demons, while fucked up, were at least somewhat subtle, they might have slipped the burny boys detection until we kicked, torched, pissed on, and nuked the proverbial hornet's nest.
 
Damn. Anything else we can use to subtly detect possession?

The question is a good one. Why would the Reds not act when Daemons became a noticeable problem some months ago? They could have earned some decent prestige from that and they are close enough two no less then two cult bases to have heard something.

Unless the Flame Keeper is a cultist and the Fiery Hand was only meant to be deployed to cover something up.

Ask Yss, maybe?

Anyway, you are always assuming that these guys can't just be incompetent. Look at Lys and how much the Red did to oppose the undead. Yeah, not much.
 
Damn. Anything else we can use to subtly detect possession?

The question is a good one. Why would the Reds not act when Daemons became a noticeable problem some months ago? They could have earned some decent prestige from that and they are close enough two no less then two cult bases to have heard something.

Unless the Flame Keeper is a cultist and the Fiery Hand was only meant to be deployed to cover something up.

Detect Demon

There isn't a Daemon version, but their very well could be, if @DragonParadox allowed it. Has Viserys used Ancestral Awakening? I can't recall.
 
We might be attributing malice from incompetence.

The Red idiot is a big god to be sure, but it's only been relatively recently since he could actively act on the 'mortal' plane. Add in the fact that the demons, while fucked up, were at least somewhat subtle, they might have slipped the burny boys detection until we kicked, torched, pissed on, and nuked the proverbial hornet's nest.
Ask Yss, maybe?

Anyway, you are always assuming that these guys can't just be incompetent. Look at Lys and how much the Red did to oppose the undead. Yeah, not much.
It is better to overestimate an enemy then to underestimate him.

Case in point, we stacked the deck for the Legion vs Daemons fight so much that the only difference between and the Unsullied was that the Daemons still had tails to stick between their legs before running.
 
Detect Demon

There isn't a Daemon version, but their very well could be, if @DragonParadox allowed it. Has Viserys used Ancestral Awakening? I can't recall.
If we cast openly, we might as well throw a Bloodwish for True Sight.

And we did use Ancestral Awakening already.

Edit: It is also curious that DP changed the party composition from Archon + Dany to just Richard. The former two would have most likely noticed something, if there are Daemon infiltrators.
 
We might be attributing malice from incompetence.

The Red idiot is a big god to be sure, but it's only been relatively recently since he could actively act on the 'mortal' plane. Add in the fact that the demons, while fucked up, were at least somewhat subtle, they might have slipped the burny boys detection until we kicked, torched, pissed on, and nuked the proverbial hornet's nest.

The people in the slums knew about them, and the red faith is the major faith of the destitute and hopeless. I find it hard to believe that nobody would have approached the priest for help. Whether it be to fight the terrors now lurking in the alleys during the night, or to find all those that have disappeared.

"The Night is dark and full of terrors" is one of their most known sayings, often used during sermons and prayers. They should literally be all the smallfolks go-to people once they started noticing the cults.

If the smallfolk knew about the daemons and cults, then so should the temple.
 
Please be daemons, please be daemons.
For all religious shitstorm that will mean, it will give us sacrifices.
At this point, I don't really care about anything else :/
 
I'm actually expecting an opportunistic Devil at this point, most likely serving Mammon. Might just be the emphasis on gold and treasure in the last update.
 
Considering how these guys didn't flip out in a murder spree, they are more likely to be Devils

Edit: faceless baatezu out-baatezuing the other baatezu
 
It's in here:
A shadow fell over the inner city, over the fine and stately manses where dwelt the mightiest and richest, over the cavernous barracks that housed the dead-eyed Unsullied in their depths, over gardens and tinkling fountains. In the distance lightning flashed and for only an instant it was clear for all to see, the broken but still impossibly tall silhouette of a tower raised far to the east at the borderlands of Valyria itself and ripped free of its foundations, a black shaft let loose to pierce the city's heart.
Our demiplane still has a shadow, which is super cool, but also annoying since it's a reminder we have work to do. The second we find ruins with dragonstone in them we're harvesting all of it and using it to restore the Shadow Tower to what it once was. Mended walls and roofs, fixing the levels of the tower that were lost, and then once the infrastructure is done we decorate the whole thing. Magical paintings and tapestries, the finest furniture magic can create, the best servitors Lya can craft, etc.
 
[X] Azel

Them not doing anything about the Daemons is suspicious, but not nessesarily about them being in bed. They could have been merely opportunistic, planning to save the city when all chaos went loose... except we stole a march from them...
 
@Azel The inaction by the Reds might not have been because they were unaware or even complacent, but because they were waiting for the proper time to strike, to seize the city while purging it of the Daemon cultists and their Outsider masters. They would have wanted the city to be on the brink of chaos, with Daemons all but openly wandering the streets, and cultists no longer hiding their deformities.

They would have swept into that mess, a thousand or more Fiery Hand soldiers supported by Clerics of R'hllor, likely bolstered by forces drawn in from other Free Cities. They would have been the heroes of the day, establishing a true stronghold for the Faith of R'hllor, from which they could enact the theocracy they desire.

We could have just ruined years of quiet planning by the Reds. :cool:
 
We might be able to repair the shadow tower a little with the Archon's palace. A little remodeling wont be remiss there, as a visual metaphor to how unlike other rulers of the city, we have the knowledge and power (and the lineage) to reshape it , instead of merely inhabit it.
 
@Azel The inaction by the Reds might not have been because they were unaware or even complacent, but because they were waiting for the proper time to strike, to seize the city while purging it of the Daemon cultists and their Outsider masters. They would have wanted the city to be on the brink of chaos, with Daemons all but openly wandering the streets, and cultists no longer hiding their deformities.

They would have swept into that mess, a thousand or more Fiery Hand soldiers supported by Clerics of R'hllor, likely bolstered by forces drawn in from other Free Cities.

We could have just ruined years of quiet planning by the Reds. :cool:
I'm a little suspicious that they straight-up didn't have the firepower to do anything about the Daemons. Never mind years of planning on when to strike and take over, this was a fight stuffed with enough monsters of appropriate CR to give us a challenge, and I can confidently say we are the biggest concentration of mid-high level PCs in the world. Sure, some can match us in level like those Westerosi adventurers (to an extent), but we have quality and numbers. And we're a dragon... with a subordinate dracolich.

So yeah. I'm doubtful that the Red Priests were anywhere close to strong enough to being able to do anything about the daemons. If they had PCs that strong they would have used them ages ago.
 
Part MCMXCIII: The Tilted Scale
The Tilted Scale

Twenty-Seventh Day of the Second Month 293 AC

After some thought you find yourself distinctly unenthused at the notion of hundreds of heavily armed guards loose in your lands and see no reasons to offer concessions over any trinkets of gold or sorcery. Still, there is no cause to be impolite about the matter. "It is indeed a worrying thought that such artifacts could fall into the hands of creatures that had beleaguered this city. Yet while I trust the Fiery Hand to drive away the weaker servants of the Pit, I must say that their leaders could have easily slipped past even the greatest of warriors to steal such treasures unhindered."

You imagine your smile is a rather unsettling thing as you speak, and from the look of him Hario is aware of the trap he has laid for himself. Still, he rallies with some skill. He motions to Ser Richard sitting at your side, more glaring at his tea than aught else, for it has never been his drink of choice.

"I hardly imagine it would be beyond the abilities of your sworn shield..." the priest hesitates, though it has something of an air of mummery about. "No, sworn sword, I forget the precise name you Andals give such a position, though I imagine that all of us will be learning quite a bit of the customs of the Sunset Lands in the days to come. A word of warning I offer, though, if may."

"Of course..." you trail off expectantly, truth be told somewhat invigorated to be sitting opposite from someone with more wits than hair, even if he may yet prove to be a foe, as opposed to the foolish bravado of the former archon and men like him.

"Swords make an uncomfortable place to rest one's head, but a shield can be carved and worked into many more useful shapes, and what better shield for any ruler than the trust of his people?" he counsels, offering what is perhaps the most carefully veiled threat you have ever been subject to. Indeed a threat is hardly all it is, more an offer of support with a dark seed at its heart.

"I have found that my scales are thick enough to endure a few pricks," you counter lightly. Were you wearing a dragon's skin now your tail would be lashing in warning. Still you offer the sweet with the bitter, for truly you have no intention of robbing the priests of R'hllor. Only bargaining hard enough that it might be called that, in the finest Braavosi fashion. "You made a excellent point, holy one, and given the extensive activities in the catacombs below, it would be wise to bring them to safer places. Would we know each other better, I would offer to store them in my vaults for you, though I think the Iron Bank would be a good intermediate, given our very recent acquaintance. After all, they have a reputation to deal fairly, no matter with whom."

"I cannot lightly make such a decision," Hario replies a touch more hurriedly than he had done so far, obviously disliking the path the conversation has been sliding towards. "I must seek guidance first, both with my fellow Flame Keepers and of course the Flame himself in prayer and meditation."

To that you agree graciously enough, segueing to matters of the city and its factions for a moment, not that you would truly trust his words but one more perspective, partisan though it will undoubtedly be, can only better your understanding of the whole. His tales paint a picture of a city battered by the changing tides of fate ad sorcery, many of the major mercantile families all-but ruined by your raiding and the humiliating loss of Westheaven, which had left a faction made up primarily of wealthy landowners to press for control of the city, though they had proven unable to unite behind an strong leader, choosing instead a weak reed that could bend with many and varied interests.

If all he tells you is accurate, however, it also shows something else, and it can hardly be by accident: the Flame Keeper has an excellent grasp of palace politics for someone who has likely never trod its halls in his life. You would guess domestic slaves hear far more than the average Tyroshi magister assumes, and many of them share those tidbits with the local Red Priest, who of course passes them on. Another offer half made, and one you shall have to at least ponder. Eyes and ears you lack far more than swords, and though you aim to rectify that soon, your own spymasters could certainly benefit from the resources Hario could provide them.

Rather than addressing this directly you decide to ask for a show of good faith first. "It is a pity that my coffers will be strained with rebuilding the areas affected the worst by the fighting. Had I enough coin to immediately rebuild this area, it would be easy to assess the catacombs and then do some work on the temples vaults, so that we might all profit from it..."

The answer is not swift this time, nor is the hesitation, merely another move in the game. "I can see that the faithful provide the sweat of their brows for bettering their lives on this earth and of course some measure of coin, but alas I do not think that would be entirely adequate to truly rebuild."

Tyroshi Temple of the Red God committed to slum rehabilitation

With that still somewhat distant promise you and Ser Richard take your leave, the knight grumbling about over-clever priests almost as soon as you are in the air.

"Would you prefer the rock-headed ones, screaming about the evils of magic to all and sundry?" you ask wryly.

"Yes, hanging is a lot quicker," he replies.

You cannot truly fault his reasoning, but there will be plenty of nooses being tied here in the days to come without adding any more.

What do you do next?

[] Write in

OOC: The project the Flame Keeper committed to will be settled in greater detail later once he has all the numbers on his end.
 
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I'm a little suspicious that they straight-up didn't have the firepower to do anything about the Daemons. Never mind years of planning on when to strike and take over, this was a fight stuffed with enough monsters of appropriate CR to give us a challenge, and I can confidently say we are the biggest concentration of mid-high level PCs in the world. Sure, some can match us in level like those Westerosi adventurers (to an extent), but we have quality and numbers. And we're a dragon... with a subordinate dracolich.

So yeah. I'm doubtful that the Red Priests were anywhere close to strong enough to being able to do anything about the daemons. If they had PCs that strong they would have used them ages ago.

That could have been part of why they were waiting. Or they were preparing something to handle the Daemons. The Reds aren't shy about human sacrifice, so I wouldn't be surprised if they were willing to feed hundreds of slaves into the fires to empower a city-wide Banishment, courtesy of Burny.
 
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The Tilted Scale

Twenty-Seventh Day of the Second Month 293 AC

After some thought you find yourself distinctly unenthused at the notion of hundreds of heavily armed guards loose in your lands and see on reasons to offer concessions over any trinkets of gold or sorcery. Still there is no reason to be impolite about the matter."It is indeed a worrying thought that such artifacts could fall into the hands of creatures that had beleaguered this city. Yet while I trust the Fiery Hand to drive away the weaker servants of the pit, I must say that their leaders could have easily slipped past even the greatest of warriors to steal such treasures unhindered."

You imagine your smile is a rather unsettling thing as you speak, and from the look of him Hario is aware of the trap he has laid for himself. Still he rallies with some skill. He motions to Ser Richard sitting at your side, more glaring at his tea than aught else, for it has never been his drink of choice.

"I hardly imagine it would be beyond the abilities of of your sworn shield..." the priest hesitates, though it has something of an air of mummery about. "No, sworn sword, I forget the precise name you Andals give such a position, though I imagine that all of us will be learnign quite a bit of the customs of the Sunset Lands in the days to come. A word of warning I offer though, if may."

"Of course..." you trail off expectantly, truth be told somewhat invigorated to be sitting opposite from someone with more wits than hair, even if he may yet prove to be a foe, as opposed to the foolish bravado of the former archon and men like him.

"Swords make an uncomfortable place to rest one's head, but a shield can be carved and worked into many more useful shapes, and what better shield for any ruler than the trust of his people?" he counsels, offering what is perhaps the most carefully veiled threat you have ever been subject to. Indeed a threat is hardly all it is, more an offer of support with a dark seed at its heart.

"I have found that my scales are thick enough to endure a few pricks," you counter lightly. Where wearing a dragon's skin now your tail would be lashing in warning. Still you offer the sweet with the bitter, for truly you have no intention of robbing the priests of Rh'llor. Only bargaining hard enough that it might be called that, in the finest Braavosi fashion. "You made a excellent point, holy one and given the extensive activities in the catacombs below, it would be wise to bring them to safer places. Would we know each other better, I would offer to store them in my vaults for you, though I think the Iron Bank would be a good intermediate, given our very recent acquaintance. After all, they have a reputation to deal fairly, no matter with whom."

"I cannot lightly make such a decision," Hario relies a touch more hurriedly than he had done so far, obviously disliking the path the conversation has been sliding towards. "I must seek guidance first, both with my fellow Flame Keepers and of course the Flame himself in prayer and meditation."

To that you agree graciously enough, segueing to matters of the city and its factions for a moment, not that you would truly trust his words but one more perspective, partizan though it will undoubtedly be can only better your understanding of the whole. His tales paint a picture of a city battered by the changing tides of fate ad sorcery, many of the major mercantile families all-but ruined by your raiding and the humiliating loss of Westheaven, which had left a faction made up primarily of wealthy and owners to press for control of the city, though they had proven unable to unite behind an strong leader, choosing instead a week reed that could bend with many and varied interests.

If all he tells you is accurate however it also shows something else, and it can hardly be by accident: the Flame Keeper has an excellent grasp of palace politics for some who has likely never trod its halls in his life. You would guess domestic slaves hear far more than the average Tyroshi magister assumes and many of them share those tidbits with the local Red Priest, who of course passes them on. Another offer half made, and one you shall have to at least ponder. Eyes and ears you lack far more than swords and though you aim to rectify that soon, your own spymasters could certainly benefit from the resources Hario could provide them.

Rather than addressing this directly you decide to ask for a show of good faith first. "It is a pitty that my coffers will be strained with rebuilding the areas affected the worst by the fighting. Had I enough coin to immediately rebuild this area, it would be easy to assess the catacombs and then do some work on the temples vaults, so that we might all profit from it..."

The answer it not swift this time, nor is the hesitation merely another move in the game. "I can see that the faithful provide the sweat of their brows for bettering their lives on this earth and of course some measure of coin, but alas I do not think that would be entirely adequate to truly rebuild. "

Tyrosh Temple of the Red God committed to slum rehabilitation


With that still somewhat distant promise you and Ser Richard take your leave, the knight grumbling about over-clever priests almost as soon as you are in the air.

"Would you prefer the rock-headed ones, screaming about the evils of magic to all and sundry?" you ask wryly.

"Yes, hanging is a lot quicker," he replies.

You cannot truly fault his reasoning, but there will be plenty of nooses being tied here in the days to come without adding any more.

What do you do next?

[] Write in

OOC: The project the Flame Keeper committed to will be settled in greater detail later once he has all the numbers on his end.

Did we limit the numbers of the Fiery Hand in the city?
 
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