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I'm on vacation this week, so I'm exercising my newfound ability to nap and post at will during weekdays.
 
That can be done with a Dragonblood substitution level at level 1. They get Draconic Heritage for free, lose their familiar, get UMD as a class skill and +2 to Knowledge (arcana).
That's a terrible trade. But if they replace Improved Initiative and bloodline of fire, they could get Draconic Toughness and Draconic Vigor. That would give them +6 hit points and some self-healing, +3 against sleep and paralysis, but -4 Init and -2d6 damage on Kelgore's Firebolt. So they'd be far less killy but far tougher, and they'd potentially be able to UMD a few scrolls of healing and whatnot.
@TotallyNotEvil, opinion? Should we switch to that? They'd lose damage, but 6HP stays relevant through levels 1-6 (getting a cap at 6 is great, btw!).
Dragonblood subtype also unlocks practical metamagic at level 6, and that's awesome with things like Fell Weaken or Sculpt Spell. On the other hand we could just give them all Arcane Thesis (Fireball) or watch them throw Silent Stilled Sculpted 10d6 fireballs at level 6 of we want to give them Metamagic feats.

@DragonParadox sorry if I missed it, but how do we generate stats for our Legion Sorcerers?

For generic NPC the pathfinder Creating NPCs page is really useful (just remember not to use pathfinder feat progression). Generally use the Basic statblock unless there is an IC winnowing process (like promotions, or the requirement needed to become a wizard instead of a hedge-mage), in which case bump up the stats that directly apply very slightly, to represent the above average people. You can also move around stats a little bit to better reflect IC lifestyles, for example I expect the night's watch sorcerer to be stronger and have better constitution than normal, and perhaps a weaker casting stat to reflect how he's lived most of his life. Slightly sub-optimal in build, but better from a simulationist perspective.

Also...
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@DragonParadox wouldn't dragonseeds be essentially Silverbrow humans?

I'm thinking up a super neat Pyromancer Sorcerer.

Where that Sphere of Fire thing you mentioned?

If they aren't Silverbrow, Dragonblood substitution is the way to go. We could pick up Bloodline of Fire, Draconic Power, Fiery Burst for a final Fire CL of 9. Enough for 5d8 Lesser Orbs of Fire, 8d8 Scorching Rays and 9d6 fireballs.

If we can boost that to 11, it'd be great.
Sorcerer Spheres are in Dragon#330, but you can find them by googling "molivero.com 3.5 Sorcerer ACF" or similar.

How do you get to a fire CL of 9? I see 1+1(fiery burst)+2(bloodline of fire)+1(Draconic Power)+1(sphere of fire), for a fire CL of 6.

Healing shouldn't be much of an issue for our newbie mages, and definitely shouldn't be something we build them around. Once Valeria the Crafter Arcanum is created, she'll be able to make Healing Belts for 45 IM each. She can make four per day at that cost. It would be trivial to equip every mage who leaves the Scholarium with a Healing Belt as part of their standard equipment.
Good point.
And @tarrangar, here is another reason not to just let our magelings walk away from us: we spent a shitton of money on them! 45IM is years of pay!
At the very least we ask for our gear back, or have them pay for student loans or something.

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Seems super risky, but whatever. What if he asks for passwords, or if he usually o my has contacts through daemons?
Well, our social skills should help.
 
Good point.
And @tarrangar, here is another reason not to just let our magelings walk away from us: we spent a shitton of money on them! 45IM is years of pay!
At the very least we ask for our gear back, or have them pay for student loans or something.
I expect them to sign a contract for 5 years or so working for us in return for teaching them magic, my point was more about once those 5 years were up, and about those who joined already having magic.

And 45 IM isn't years of pay for a mage, even a level 1 mage is likely to pull in more than that a year.
 
I'm on vacation this week, so I'm exercising my newfound ability to nap and post at will during weekdays.

I'm torn between wishing you a happy vacation and blinding jealousy.

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Seems super risky, but whatever. What if he asks for passwords, or if he usually o my has contacts through daemons?

Apply fist/blunt object/sleeping spell to forehead, repeat as necessary to force compliance.
 
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How do you get to a fire CL of 9? I see 1+1(fiery burst)+2(bloodline of fire)+1(Draconic Power)+1(sphere of fire), for a fire CL of 6.
Huh, I thought you mean the Fire Bloodline, which gives spells. Didn't know of that +2 CL, quite good.

I was imagining them at level 6, which is why I exemplified with Fireball. So 6 + Draconic Power 1 + Fiery Burst 1 + Bloodline of Fire 2 + Sphere of Fire 1 = 11.

Just enough for killer Searing Scorching Rays.
 
I expect them to sign a contract for 5 years or so working for us in return for teaching them magic, my point was more about once those 5 years were up, and about those who joined already having magic.
... What?

You join the Scholarium for life. There's no contract, you are either part of an official Mage guild or you better have a damn fine excuse as for why you aren't.

You have the funniest ideas.
 
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I'm torn between wishing you a happy vacation and blinding jealousy.

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If it's any consolation, I'm not really doing anything special this week. Just gonna hang around the house, then head back to my home town for a few days. I've been taking staycations since before anyone made up that stupid word. Actual vacations just seem more stressful to me than going to work.
 
@DragonParadox We have a consensus.

@Azel Do you think bringing "Gorgeous" along with us, hidden under an Invisibility spell, would sell the whole encounter a bit more thoroughly?
Adhoc vote count started by Goldfish on Apr 30, 2018 at 3:34 PM, finished with 185218 posts and 15 votes.
 
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My argument isn't that I feel that a person should do so, my argument is that sometimes such things is the only way for justice to happen, and I don't want our realm to be one of those places, I want to punish all the murderers hiding behind the fact that their victims were slaves, because I don't want to be in the position, of having to punish people for avenging their loved ones, who were murdered legally because they were slaves.
Look, the point is not that we don't want to punish murderers.

The point is that we don't want to punish crimes that happened at a time and place and in a tradition were they weren't crimes, because that's a slippery slope that would take incredible amounts of time and effort to make anywhere close to just and even then likely cause more vendettas than anything else.

Better do as Diomedon said, make a few examples and then call it Tabula Rasa and start anew with no look at the past.
And if anyone tried to get away with new crimes against former slaves in our city they'll pay as the law demands.
 
... What?

You join the Scholarium for life. There's no contract, you are either part of an official Mage guild or you better have a damn fine excuse as for why you aren't.

You have the funniest ideas.
You are part of the Scholarium for life unless you leave our domain, that don't mean you are directly working for us for life, the 5 year contract is how long you are expected to work directly for us as opposed to starting up an independent business, and also how long you are contractually obligated to stay with our realm, once you have served that term, you are allowed to emigrate out of our lands if you really want to, and if you leave our land, then you are not expected to stay in an official Mage guild.
Look, the point is not that we don't want to punish murderers.

The point is that we don't want to punish crimes that happened at a time and place and in a tradition were they weren't crimes, because that's a slippery slope that would take incredible amounts of time and effort to make anywhere close to just and even then likely cause more vendettas than anything else.

Better do as Diomedon said, make a few examples and then call it Tabula Rasa and start anew with no look at the past.
And if anyone tried to get away with new crimes against former slaves in our city they'll pay as the law demands.
The problem is that the relatives of the slaves murdered before it became illegal will want revenge, and I really don't want to punish them for taking that revenge, unless they take it out on innocent members of the one who killed their relatives family.

I would rather deal with 5 situations where there's someone clearly in the wrong, than 1 situation where I have to execute someone whose actions I think were right.

And then there's the fact that it feels extremely unjust, to let people like the brother of that Watch commander live, after they had a girl executed because said brother fell in love with her, especially since he most likely used a form of torturing her to death to kill her.
 
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The problem is that the relatives of the slaves murdered before it became illegal will want revenge, and I really don't want to punish them for taking that revenge, unless they take it out on innocent members of the one who killed their relatives family.
They're going to be punished for taking that revenge, because they'd be taking the law into their own hands with vigilante "justice" and that's unacceptable. We are not going to permit lawlessness in our Imperium.
 
They're going to be punished for taking that revenge, because they'd be taking the law into their own hands with vigilante "justice" and that's unacceptable. We are not going to permit lawlessness in our Imperium.
Then our laws should be just, it's not just to tell them that they wont get reparations, either in blood or coin for their slaughtered loved ones.

Tabula Rasa suck when one side is clearly the wronged one, especially when it's enforced by an outside force, as opposed to something the wronged side agrees to.
 
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The problem is that the relatives of the slaves murdered before it became illegal will want revenge, and I really don't want to punish them for taking that revenge, unless they take it out on innocent members of the one who killed their relatives family.
I see no real way around that.

UNless they are very, very good at taking that vengance, then they'll either get away with it without being caught (or even the murder identified as such), or someone higher up might take interest enough to recruit them.

As always, exeptions only for people doing PC-worthy deeds.;)
 
Then our laws should be just, it's not just to tell them that they wont get reparations, either in blood or coin for their slaughtered loved ones.

Tabula Rasa suck when one side is clearly the wronged one, especially when it's enforced by an outside force, as opposed to something the wronged side agrees to.
They're just going to have to deal with it. We're not going to allow this kind of shit. When we take over there should be zero tolerance for vigilante justice.
 
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