I'm going to tentatively go with Viserys poking Dark Sister, Secret Chest & Track Ship, and the Procreation Ritual, unless someone provides a list of 5-7 spells that are particularly useful for Lya to learn in the short term.

@DragonParadox For the procreation Ritual, how many days is it estimated? The turn update still has the "figure out how to do it, part II" which we finished a few turns back.
 
I don't think it can work any time in the near future. We're enemies of the Seven right now. We're better off avoiding conflict entirely rather than risking it where it isn't necessary. Just leave her to take care of problems in Westeros while we focus on empire building.

Maybe after we humble the Seven and start taking Westeros back, or when the Long Night rolls around and we have a clear common enemy, then we can initiate talks.

I personally think we need to talk with them at some point before we humble the Seven. If we leave them alone they have a chance to not work with us in the future. Also to help lighten the damage for when we do humble the Seven.
 
I'm going to tentatively go with Viserys poking Dark Sister, Secret Chest & Track Ship, and the Procreation Ritual, unless someone provides a list of 5-7 spells that are particularly useful for Lya to learn in the short term.

@DragonParadox For the procreation Ritual, how many days is it estimated? The turn update still has the "figure out how to do it, part II" which we finished a few turns back.

Already edited to part 3.
 
I'm going to tentatively go with Viserys poking Dark Sister, Secret Chest & Track Ship, and the Procreation Ritual, unless someone provides a list of 5-7 spells that are particularly useful for Lya to learn in the short term.

@DragonParadox For the procreation Ritual, how many days is it estimated? The turn update still has the "figure out how to do it, part II" which we finished a few turns back.
I will say this, I'm happy we're getting this out of the way entirely.

... Damn, we should have asked Bloodraven about this. :facepalm:

This is what I was trying to avoid by making the massive list of questions--regret at having forgotten something.
I personally think we need to talk with them at some point before we humble the Seven. If we leave them alone they have a chance to not work with us in the future. Also to help lighten the damage for when we do humble the Seven.
Maybe, but either way I'm definitely in opposition of approaching them any time in the next six or so months. I have zero interest in making them think they need to come East.
 
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I'm going to tentatively go with Viserys poking Dark Sister, Secret Chest & Track Ship, and the Procreation Ritual, unless someone provides a list of 5-7 spells that are particularly useful for Lya to learn in the short term.

@DragonParadox For the procreation Ritual, how many days is it estimated? The turn update still has the "figure out how to do it, part II" which we finished a few turns back.

Big Sky
Blur
Heart of Air
Heart of Fire
Keen Edge
Lesser Planar Binding
Lightning Bolt
Parchment Swarm
Secret Chest
Track Ship
 
I don't think it can work any time in the near future. We're enemies of the Seven right now. We're better off avoiding conflict entirely rather than risking it where it isn't necessary. Just leave her to take care of problems in Westeros while we focus on empire building.

Maybe after we humble the Seven and start taking Westeros back, or when the Long Night rolls around and we have a clear common enemy, then we can initiate talks.
We actually have a ton of common enemies, it's just she's probably never thought of them as enemies: the bulk of the clergy of the Seven who clearly don't give a crap about helping people who can't help themselves (which is the Maiden's entire thing) and the nobility of Westeros who don't give a crap about helping people even though most of them swear vows to the Maiden to do so (being knighted at some point).

Of this we're enemies with both the conservative bulk of the clergy of the Seven, who say all magic users are evil, and the bulk of the self serving nobility of Westeros who won't like our reforms and the introduction of mages as their equals.

Depending on how many such people she's had to interact with, I wouldn't be shocked if she turned out to be a lot more receptive than you'd expect.
 
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@DragonParadox, we know Asha and Theon both made it to level 4, but did Moonsong gain a level?

Also, @Goldfish, don't we still need to get Glyra's levelup done or is that already taken care of?
We actually have a ton of common enemies, it's just she's probably never thought of them as enemies: the clergy of the Seven who clearly don't give a crap about helping people who can't help themselves (which is the Maiden's entire thing) and the nobility of Westeros who don't give a crap about helping people even though most of them swear vows to the Maiden to do so (being knighted at some point).

Depending on how many such people she's had to interact with, I wouldn't be shocked if she turned out to be a lot more receptive than you'd expect.
Still not interested in the slightest. I'll be perfectly content if she stays the hell out of our schemes and we leave her alone. I want no interference with us growing our Heart Trees or our schemes to turn Brienne away from the Seven, or many other things the Cleric of the Maiden would no doubt shower us with her disapproval for.

EDIT: Keep in mind that we're basically everything her religion condemns.

1. Incestspawn
2. Has magic not granted by the Seven
3. Sworn to enemy gods, going so far as to grow Heart Trees
4. Have an entire island of otherworldly creatures and actively "pollute" the world with magic

Even with her own party members she's conflicted about accepting them since they have magic not of the Seven. Why the optimism that she'd be accepting and tolerant of us of all people?
 
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I'm not sure how useful those spells are (My weakest area in D&D). Someone argue on Goldfish's behalf (who I think is busy at work), maybe?

We still need to nail down Moonsong's job this month, and the crafting schedule. I'll be going and editing in the minor actions.
 
Still not interested in the slightest. I'll be perfectly content if she stays the hell out of our schemes and we leave her alone. I want no interference with us growing our Heart Trees or our schemes to turn Brienne away from the Seven, or many other things the Cleric of the Maiden would no doubt shower us with her disapproval for.
The Heart Trees can do good things, if she gives us shit then we get to tell her to think of the children (and of the Cotf too) which would be a rare occasion to lecture her. Possibly add a nice lecture about how everything was just fine in Westeros for the First Men and their trees until the Andal Nation attacked.

Brienne we don't want her anywhere near, but turning her from the Seven is going to be hard and unproductive anyways (I really doubt she'll be able to steal her spells like Dany did) so we might as well kick it back.
 
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@DragonParadox, we know Asha and Theon both made it to level 4, but did Moonsong gain a level?

Also, @Goldfish, don't we still need to get Glyra's levelup done or is that already taken care of?

Still not interested in the slightest. I'll be perfectly content if she stays the hell out of our schemes and we leave her alone. I want no interference with us growing our Heart Trees or our schemes to turn Brienne away from the Seven, or many other things the Cleric of the Maiden would no doubt shower us with her disapproval for.

EDIT: Keep in mind that we're basically everything her religion condemns.

1. Incestspawn
2. Has magic not granted by the Seven
3. Sworn to enemy gods, going so far as to grow Heart Trees
4. Have an entire island of otherworldly creatures and actively "pollute" the world with magic

Even with her own party members she's conflicted about accepting them since they have magic not of the Seven. Why the optimism that she'd be accepting and tolerant of us of all people?


We already voted on her level up.

Here was the winning plan.

[X] Glyra Level Up
-[X] Class: +1 Spellthief
-[X] Skills (5 points): +1 Bluff, +6 Tumble, +1 Hide, +1Move Silently, +1 Use Magic Device, Disable Device -5
 
The Heart Trees can do good things, if she gives us shit then we get to tell her to think of the children (and of the Cotf too). Brienne we don't want her anywhere near, but turning her from the Seven is going to be hard and unproductive anyways (I really doubt she'll be able to steal her spells like Dany did) so we might as well kick it back.
Yeah, I'm just gonna stick with my stance of staying the hell away from her and hoping she never comes to us. I have zero desire to meet her.
I'm not sure how useful those spells are (My weakest area in D&D). Someone argue on Goldfish's behalf (who I think is busy at work), maybe?

We still need to nail down Moonsong's job this month, and the crafting schedule. I'll be going and editing in the minor actions.
I'm in support of sending Moonsong to raid Wyvern Point and get us a couple specimens.
 
I will say this, I'm happy we're getting this out of the way entirely.

... Damn, we should have asked Bloodraven about this. :facepalm:

This is what I was trying to avoid by making the massive list of questions--regret at having forgotten something.

Maybe, but either way I'm definitely in opposition of approaching them any time in the next six or so months. I have zero interest in making them think they need to come East.

Why would she come east?

She is more open and like DP said before she is having trouble because the people she is working with are good people with magic not of the Seven.

There will be people not wanting to work with us, so all the more reason to have a good relationship with her to lighten the fallout of the other people.
 
Yeah, I'm just gonna stick with my stance of staying the hell away from her and hoping she never comes to us. I have zero desire to meet her.
Impossible. Remember the rumors about us, she'll eventually come to us if only because she probably thinks we sacrifice babies for power and there's no telling whether the Maiden would see fit to explicitly deny that. I doubt she'd lie to confirm it, but she could truthfully say we sacrifice people and leave out the small detail that they were people who'd be rightfully executed anyways. The more time that passes without meeting her in person the harder it'll be to make a first impression.

If we meet her after starting the invasion of Westeros then we might run into her mid-battle of all times, and that's just a huge risk.
 
BTW I'm currently reading 3.0 Ravenloft Books and I have reached two conclusions:
  1. The fluff is wonderfully atmospheric and I will probably be borrowing some of it going froward
  2. The crunch is so woefully weak compared to 3.5 (never mind the Pathfinder elements) that if one let ASWAH PCs loose in the Demi-plane of Dread as written for a few months it would become the Demi-plane of Cinder and Ash, Darklords and all.
 
BTW I'm currently reading 3.0 Ravenloft Books and I have reached two conclusions:
  1. The fluff is wonderfully atmospheric and I will probably be borrowing some of it going froward
  2. The crunch is so woefully weak compared to 3.5 (never mind the Pathfinder elements) that if one let ASWAH PCs loose in the Demi-plane of Dread as written for a few months it would become the Demi-plane of Cinder and Ash, Darklords and all.
In other words: great entertainment for the dark powers.
 
Impossible. Remember the rumors about us, she'll eventually come to us if only because she probably thinks we sacrifice babies for power and there's no telling whether the Maiden would see fit to explicitly deny that. I doubt she'd lie to confirm it, but she could truthfully say we sacrifice people and leave out the small detail that they were people who'd be rightfully executed anyways. The more time that passes without meeting her in person the harder it'll be to make a first impression.

If we meet her after starting the invasion of Westeros then we might run into her mid-battle of all times, and that's just a huge risk.

If she comes to us we use our diplomacy to dissuade her and tell her the whole truth. If she rejects it and declares herself our enemy we will fight her and we will win. I'd rather not go to her since right now as there is no reason to worry immediately.
 
Why would she come east?

She is more open and like DP said before she is having trouble because the people she is working with are good people with magic not of the Seven.

There will be people not wanting to work with us, so all the more reason to have a good relationship with her to lighten the fallout of the other people.
Impossible. Remember the rumors about us, she'll eventually come to us if only because she probably thinks we sacrifice babies for power and there's no telling whether the Maiden would see fit to explicitly deny that. I doubt she'd lie to confirm it, but she could truthfully say we sacrifice people and leave out the small detail that they were people who'd be rightfully executed anyways. The more time that passes without meeting her in person the harder it'll be to make a first impression.

If we meet her after starting the invasion of Westeros then we might run into her mid-battle of all times, and that's just a huge risk.
I have no idea why you two think this would go well.

We are everything her religion despises. There is no "good first impression" to be had here, it's already been made, and we've already been painted as the dread sorcerer who eats babies. Running into her during battle is a risk, yes, but that's still nowhere near enough for me to want to dedicate valuable party time just to track her down and talk to her.

1. You're banking on us wanting to do this at all, which many of us don't. On the list of priorities this is pretty close to the bottom.
2. We'd have to explicitly set aside time for this, which won't be happening for months if at all.
3. We'd have to find her.
4. We'd have to risk a fight just to talk to her.
 
Also, if we'd diplomance her the 7 (Maiden) would choose a new champion.
If you discard the party line, the party no longer supports you.
 
1. Have Lya Fabricate sets of Reinforced, Segmented Masterwork Mithral Fullplate for Tyene, Dany, and Vee, using 82.5 lbs of our Mithral and leaving 194 lbs in reserve.
2. Have the Veloc corpse processed for useful materials, magical reagents, and then mended and stuffed.
3. In her spare time, Lya should be Fabricating weapons and armor for our Legions, as steel becomes available.
4. Reva and Liset spend time near the Heart Trees and learn whatever magic Bloodraven tries to teach them.
5. Purchase Fine Maps of the following to pave the way for adventuring, exploring, and conquest: Giant World Map, Large Essos Map, Large Westeros Map, Tyrosh Map, Braavos Map, Myr Map, Pentos Map, Lorath Map, Qohor Map, Norvos Map, Volantis Map, Mantarys Map, Tolos Map, Ib Map, Sothoryos Map, Summer Islands Map, Slaver's Bay Map, Astapor Map, Mereen Map, Yunkai Map, Basilisk Isles Map, North Map, Vale Map, Riverlands Map, Stormlands Map, Reach Map, Westerlands Map, Iron Islands Map, Dorne Map.
6. In the middle of the month, send Azema (with a greater disguise ribbon) and Aradia to root out and hunt down the devil worshipers on Greenstone.
7. Give Valaena her dragon egg and pass on the dragonlore advice you received.
8. Inform Rhaella who our human looking wards are and ask her help in keeping an eye on them.
9. Check in on our magical wards (Calapinas and Changeling babies)
10. Plant weirwood cuttings on every island you rule in the Stepstones aside from Sorcerer's Deep: Saltcliff, Westhaven, Deepcleft, and Port Sorrow. Also see if the men at He'Nekar have any objections to you planting a Weirwood Tree there.
11. Valaena, Argo, Bronn, Leila, etc (basically every baby adventurer available) goes on the Queen Rhaella to scout Daemon's Folly to purge any monsters or other things hiding there to clear it out as a future Legion fortress.
12. Equipping Subjects: PfE and Healing Belts for all baby adventurers as made available by Leila (dictated by crafting plan), Bronn gets the +1 mithral bastard sword once identified, a +1 adamantine dirk, and +1 armor of his preference. Argo +1 large fullplate from armory, +1 Razor-sharp greataxe commissioned from the smiths. Valaena receives the +1 blessed thinblade for now, and dragonhide armor and dragonbone bow for softstrider (made from Veloc).

Here are the minor actions. Please read carefully to check I'm not assuming something is settled when it isn't, or you have one you'd prefer to see in here (and what it might replace).

The things I know should be discussed...Of particular note is sending Azema (with greater ribbon) with Aradia to Greenstone, since I think she'll go regardless (If aradia is sent) so I want to at least retain some control, and giving Valena the dragon egg to bond with as advised by Bloodraven. I know some people wanted Viserys to have it, but I think keeping our word is more important, and time is awasting.

Really, I'd rather get a big quest done.

@Diomedon I say spend a day buying materials in MS, even if it has to be Viserys, Richard and Dany going. Something like 5000 would tide us over nicely until PoA starts rolling in.

Viserys and Richard don't have the real days to spare. So not sure how to pull that off.

Edit: Day off of PoA, maybe?
 
We are everything her religion despises. There is no "good first impression" to be had here, it's already been made, and we've already been painted as the dread sorcerer who eats babies. Running into her during battle is a risk, yes, but that's still nowhere near enough for me to want to dedicate valuable party time just to track her down and talk to her.
1. You're banking on us wanting to do this at all, which many of us don't. On the list of priorities this is pretty close to the bottom.
2. We'd have to explicitly set aside time for this, which won't be happening for months if at all.
3. We'd have to find her.
4. We'd have to risk a fight just to talk to her.
We have proof she's not that sort of person remember? Read her chapters, she's not a fan of snap judgements. We've been painted that way but she's also seen a bunch of supposedly good people who aren't so good so if we show up in a well prepared way we can get somewhere.

Right now we're neutral, we do not meet each other. But once we make a move and she's guided to align with our enemies her whole part will be our enemies, and they'll be among the deadliest we have. Once they are so aligned talking to them will be impossible unless we catch them.

We'd be spending some party time now to potentially avoid tons of mandatory party time spent hunting and fighting this lot as they try to wreck our faces in the invasion. Just getting one of her party to decide they don't want much to do with this religious war would be worth it.
 
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Persistent Spells (Party-Wide):
Total turnings: 22/day.
Even Days: Planeshift -> Extended Persisted Righteous Wrath of the Faithful (8 turnings) - +3 Morale to Atk and Dmg, Haste-like extra attack ; Boneshatter -> Chained Reached Extended Persisted Spell Resistance (13 turnings)
Odd Days: Blindness -> Extended Persisted Mass Conviction (8 turnings) - +4 Morale to all Saves; Cometfall -> Chained Reached Extended Superior Resistance/ (7 turnings) - +6 Resistance to all saves; Panacea -> Extended Persisted Recitation (8 turnings) - +2 Luck to Atk, Saves and AC
Total: +12 to all Saves, +2 AC, +5 to Attack, +3 to melee damage, Haste-like extra attack, SR 24, +1d8 temp Hit Points
Preferred Day: Odd.
@DragonParadox fixed Persistomancy

Virtually all her templates have +CHA, so the one over on odd days doesn't matter.
 
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