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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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das_slash said:
Dont you mean whip and spiky armor?
..or worse yet... Ink and parchment.
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For the first time I realised that in the right fantasy setting Spiky Armor isn't pants on head retarded.

IRL getting caught on shit is super dangerous mid-battle.

IFL you may have a Strength score of 22 to shrug that stubborn corpse off and specialising in close quarters fighting isn't necessarily what everybody else is doing because Dex fighters exist so your enemy being caught can be a boon.
 
DragonParadox said:
I remember yes.



Be a chosen on the gods in the place of their greatest power, body rooted in place, mind connected to the God-Mind forever dying, but never truly dead. I mean Bloodraven has a lot of advantages to go with his enthronement and having to listen to the gods howl in his ear. For instance he can with days of meditation swap out his sorcerer spells, and even feats at will. Going further with months of preparation he can in his direct presence use the Salient Divine Ability Alter Reality for specific purposes, which is what he did to bring back Rhaella.
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Wait, so he can swap feats at will?
He could be an item crafter! He would need one of Lya's crafting constructs and a supply of reagents, but I'm sure he has stuff he could trade...
 
Azel said:
I'm really tired of this...

@DragonParadox, to you see a problem with SoC?
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A cap on the number of bodies might be in order to prevent the theoretical possibility of filling the world with Lyas but otherwise no problem.

TalonofAnathrax said:
Wait, so he can swap feats at will?
He could be an item crafter! He would need one of Lya's crafting constructs and a supply of reagents, but I'm sure he has stuff he could trade...
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He could be and he was. He helped make the staff. That said he is rather busy.

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Adhoc vote count started by Paradosi on Jan 22, 2018 at 1:36 AM, finished with 142521 posts and 27 votes.
  • [X] I Had To Change Too - Pt 1
    -[X] "Within the City of Secrets, there are few ways for one to support a comfortable life that don't involve trade, mother. And my successes won acclaim and friendship that simple magic could not. Without those, much of what I've done in civilising the Stepstones would have been impossible." Reference to what we have, what she knows already. Impossible without the financial streams that Azel has painstakingly constructed.
    -[X] "If I am to claim Westeros, it will take more than magic. It will take coin, in great measure, and I must be able to sustain that. Legions cannot march without arms." Speaking of the future, with certainty. As a Queen, she might have some understanding of the cost of raising or supporting a true army.
    -[X] "Creations of magic do not come without price, either. Many of the items most precious to my company have been crafted by our own hands." The wonders we've forged, that she now knows are real. Make it clear that miracles aren't without physical cost.
    -[X] "For all my heritage, I have never had the resources of a Kingdom of Westeros, and there is but one way to match them for one growing to adulthood in Essos." Said wrongly, this could be Guilt, but it's not designed that way. We worked within the limitations in front of us, as did our ancestors when they left Valyria behind, and have prospered for it.
    -[X] "Yet now I find myself in the position of one soon to do so. The Iron Bank itself is a junior partner in my latest endeavour, and mine is a fleet of ships that fly the Dragon banner. A fleet I could not maintain without the coin that they bring flowing through my fingers. Relate the notion that you are, for all intents and purposes, approaching the status of a Merchant Prince as well as King of your own domain. This is already done, already known, and there is precious little that could ever be done to change it.
    -[X] If a reasonable opportunity presents itself, mention in jest that ledgers appear to act as a remarkably effective talisman to make Dany vanish...as if by magic.
    -[X] Once more, be gentle in your words. You fought with this opinion in your early days, after all, as you did with the complex figures of trade until at last you mastered them. Don't expect to change her mind here, but for an opinion to change you must first show why yours did before.
    [x] "...about that..."
    -[x] Go into detail about how the Stepstones are now the home of one of the most potent raiding and trading fleets, and that it flies your banner.
    -[x] Talk about the costs of magical reagents, and how what was once a way to afford such exotic materials has grown into a trading network capable of sustaining the stepstones, in addition to footing the bill of managing an entire cabal of sorcerors.
    -[x] Who also answer to you, actually. Lya, the Archmage of Sorcerer's Deep, is capable of making objects that are worth entire small kingdoms. Everything someone wants can be sold for a price, and magical is capable of fulfilling many wishes.
    -[x] As one of the most potent sorcerers of the new age, and with the resources you have at your disposal, you could probably conquer most of Westeros in a fortnight. The problem is not winning the war, it's keeping what you've claimed in the aftermath.
    [X] Snowflame
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DragonParadox said:
Be a chosen on the gods in the place of their greatest power, body rooted in place, mind connected to the God-Mind forever dying, but never truly dead. I mean Bloodraven has a lot of advantages to go with his enthronement and having to listen to the gods howl in his ear. For instance he can with days of meditation swap out his sorcerer spells, and even feats at will. Going further with months of preparation he can in his direct presence use the Salient Divine Ability Alter Reality for specific purposes, which is what he did to bring back Rhaella.
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TalonofAnathrax said:
Wait, so he can swap feats at will?
He could be an item crafter! He would need one of Lya's crafting constructs and a supply of reagents, but I'm sure he has stuff he could trade...
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Wait.

@DragonParadox ...how many days?

DragonParadox said:
"We have been considering the matter you wish to set before us for nine-and-ten days. Some did indeed count it hasty, but in that the nearness of death is kin to the heedlessness of youth."
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DragonParadox said:
He was asking for s spare scroll. Not only Does Bloodraven not have the feat, he also can't write in his condition.
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DragonParadox said:
returning his attentions to the map.

Perhaps ten minutes later he hands it to you, improved beyond human penmanship.
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BLOODRAVEN!!!!!
 
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DragonParadox said:
A cap on the number of bodies might be in order to prevent the theoretical possibility of filling the world with Lyas but otherwise no problem.
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You are missing out on collapsing the multiverse under a Singularity of Lyas, you know? I mean, sensible, but where's your sense of hilarious apocalypse?


DragonParadox said:
He could be and he was. He helped make the staff. That said he is rather busy.

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He could have said! The personal touch makes the difference ya know! Best Uncle indeed :D
 
Azel said:
It is and it's quite galling how my classes get all the flak while TNE periodically buffs his.
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I hope you aren't taking it personally, this has everything to do with the base classes you chose to craft PRCs for already being the most powerful and versatile things in the game.

You gave rare candy to Charizard, he gave XP share to a Rattata.
 
Azel said:
It is and it's quite galling how my classes get all the flak while TNE periodically buffs his.
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I don't even pretend to have near the expertise TNE or you have with 3.5/PF mechanics, so I try not to speak to the comparative brokenness of the PrCs themselves, but to be absolutely fair I think I've seen him nerf his own stuff out of the blue also. Can't remember specifically what though.
 
firefrog600 said:
Could it just double the cost for making one more compared to the previous because multiplying by increasing factors seems a bit much why not just double the cost for each one added on?
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Probably because 3x for your fourth is cheaper than 8x for your fourth.

1-2-4-8.

Edit: Unless you meant 1-2-2-2-2?

DragonParadox said:
He did say, when he mentioned the ravens being due to his personal affinity with such birds.
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I took that to mean he just had it commissioned that way, the way a Lord of Winterfell may have something commissioned with Wolves.

It's nice to know it has the personal touch of family.

Did Viserys make his comprehension check to realise it's a handmade gift cause that's really nice.
 
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DragonParadox said:
He did say, when he mentioned the ravens being due to his personal affinity with such birds.
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Well... I did think that was Odd, but didn't consider it further.

Also, being a hive-mind of the dead and fey spirits aside, parts of the Old Gods (<-Oddly enough, I'm using singular grammar for something ending in 's' - I think I should sleep, as I am finding that fascinating) are just utter dicks. And worse than that, appear to really fail to grasp the whole "shit be fucked" aspects of the situation. It sounds like... like the equivalent of 100 million Lyanna Starks blaming Viserys, and you can't tell her to catch herself on, because that won't work, 'cuz she's dead, and the dead are really really bad at being sensible.

You get a dude to do a thing; you don't put obstacles in his way, especially when said thing is saving the world!

Silly OG.

Edit: What Deliste said; that was a really nice touch. If I caught on, I'd have voted for him to say thanks, not for the staff, but for the staff made by a family member.
 
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Actually, @TotallyNotEvil I have a question:
In your opinion, why does Lya's Lore of the Soul require a downside? It's the capstone ability to a 10 level PrC, shouldn't it be an entirely positive trait that serves to reward 10 levels of commitment and thematically tie the class together?

If it requires a downside, what exactly is the downside to Viserys' Draconic Ascension? It is also a capstone ability to a 10 level PrC, and to me it seems like an entirely positive trait that serves to reward 10 levels of commitment and thematically tie the class together.

If you feel these are different enough so as not to be comparable, why?

Note: I am not suggesting Viserys needs nerfs, just to be clear.
 
@Sqweaktoy You're arguing with the equivalent of a brick wall here.

The argument is formed on the basis that because these are Tier 1 classes, they do not need bells and whistles in the first place. Because DP has issued a vague, blanket statement that he is not going to constrain us by standard WBL rulings, the original necessitation for powerful PrCs is moot, so we should go ahead and nerf the hell out of the class features that each character has yet to gain... coincidentally, he deems @Azel's PrCs as explicitly needing nerfs, whereas he's made PrCs for classes that aren't as impressive as Wizard or Cleric at base progression alone.

I don't agree with it either, but there are those who do.
 
Deliste said:
I hope you aren't taking it personally, this has everything to do with the base classes you chose to craft PRCs for already being the most powerful and versatile things in the game.

You gave rare candy to Charizard, he gave XP share to a Rattata.
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To be honest, I'm rather sore about the whole topic due to how the whole thing for DW dragged on forever, with more and more nerfs each time.
 
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