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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Duesal said:
I now feel completely justified in extending the Q&A. We almost certainly couldn't have justified keeping Rhaella here for too long while we pestered Bloodraven for lore.
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Still disagreeing here.

Getting her first impression of truly powerful and dangerous magic from family and people harmess to her is better than most alternatives.
 
065tdsa said:
Not sure if that counts in the eyes of the Gods though.
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There has to be a logical cutoff point, else everyone would be considered kin. Even among the nobility, you wouldn't have to go back too many generations before nearly everyone is kin in some way.

@DragonParadox Two generations? Three? I can't imagine it going back further than that before they stop caring.
 
He could just kill himself and then let us bring him back. That way we wouldn't be kinslayers and he avoids a natural death which would negate most of our rez spells.
 
Hmm.
Hmmmm.
Now, I may be wrong on multiple accounts here, but wasn't the in-lore justification of Lyre of Building something about it "tapping into the song"?
If it's really so, then I just can't wait for CotFs' reaction to it.
And, well, generally all the incredibleness of our future-capital.
 
Goldfish said:
There has to be a logical cutoff point, else everyone would be considered kin. Even among the nobility, you wouldn't have to go back too many generations before nearly everyone is kin in some way.

@DragonParadox Two generations? Three? I can't imagine it going back further than that before they stop caring.
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My working model of it was "Recognized member of your house" and "Close Relative." If you are my distant cousin, with a different name, you're not my kin. If you're my distant cousin, but you share my name, you're my kin because we both recognize it by the fact we're of the same house. If you are my brother who was abducted at birth, you are my kin regardless of my knowledge of it, because we are that closely related.

It looks like Bloodraven gets around it by denying himself as a member of House Targaryen, and the weird semi-family thing that bastardry is.
 
Diomedon said:
My working model of it was "Recognized member of your house" and "Close Relative." If you are my distant cousin, with a different name, you're not my kin. If you're my distant cousin, but you share my name, you're my kin because we both recognize it by the fact we're of the same house. If you are my brother who was abducted at birth, you are my kin regardless of my knowledge of it, because we are that closely related.

It looks like Bloodraven gets around it by denying himself as a member of House Targaryen, and the weird semi-family thing that bastardry is.
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He still killed his half-brother, that's a close enough relationship that House affiliation does not matter. Denying the legitimization was done for purely political reasons.
 
[X] Diomedon

No sense in dragging this out longer than necessary, as our plans are virtually identical.
Adhoc vote count started by Goldfish on Jan 21, 2018 at 11:34 AM, finished with 142155 posts and 14 votes.
  • [X] Help make your mother comfortable, and explain where you are, in the far north, beyond the realms of men.
    -[X] Introduce Richard, your most leal Knight, and the children of the forest. Explain that the magical and mystical things of the world have been returning in recent years, and that you've discovered there is a bit of magic within our blood, needing no dark rituals to call upon.
    -[X] Explain that you are still in exile, but have been hearty and hale, and have gathered many friends and allies.
    --[X] You have even subdued and begun civilizing the stepstones, to a much greater success than Daemon's attempt, and are continuing to gather your strength.
    -[X] You will head towards Castle Black, and from there you will bring her home to your capital, Sorcerer's Deep.
    -[X] Answer any questions she might have.
    [X] In the morning, head out by Phantom Steed towards Castle Black, keeping to the ground.
    -[X] Once Dany has a chance to prepare her spells, she will swap out Blessed Aim for another Endure Elements spell for Rhaella and Revivify for Greater Stone Shape. If we are forced to make camp for a night North of the Wall, she will use Greater Stone Shape to create a small, fortified redoubt from the nearest acceptable rock outcropping. Later, we will share the location of this fort with the Brothers of the Nightwatch so that they may use it in the future.
    --[X] When we are ready to depart, give Bloodraven our farewells and heartfelt thanks for returning our mother to us and sharing such important information with us. Express our regret that the obsidian sand will not allow us to remain in regular contact with him.
    ---[X] Viserys will create 13 Phantom Steeds for everyone to ride; eight using all of his 3rd level spell slots, two using four 2nd level spell slots, and three using 4th level spell slots. Two Children of the Forest will need to ride on most of the steeds.
    [X] Use phantom steeds to go to Castle Black
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Adhoc vote count started by Goldfish on Jan 21, 2018 at 11:39 AM, finished with 142158 posts and 15 votes.
  • [X] Help make your mother comfortable, and explain where you are, in the far north, beyond the realms of men.
    -[X] Introduce Richard, your most leal Knight, and the children of the forest. Explain that the magical and mystical things of the world have been returning in recent years, and that you've discovered there is a bit of magic within our blood, needing no dark rituals to call upon.
    -[X] Explain that you are still in exile, but have been hearty and hale, and have gathered many friends and allies.
    --[X] You have even subdued and begun civilizing the stepstones, to a much greater success than Daemon's attempt, and are continuing to gather your strength.
    -[X] You will head towards Castle Black, and from there you will bring her home to your capital, Sorcerer's Deep.
    -[X] Answer any questions she might have.
    [X] In the morning, head out by Phantom Steed towards Castle Black, keeping to the ground.
    -[X] Once Dany has a chance to prepare her spells, she will swap out Blessed Aim for another Endure Elements spell for Rhaella and Revivify for Greater Stone Shape. If we are forced to make camp for a night North of the Wall, she will use Greater Stone Shape to create a small, fortified redoubt from the nearest acceptable rock outcropping. Later, we will share the location of this fort with the Brothers of the Nightwatch so that they may use it in the future.
    --[X] When we are ready to depart, give Bloodraven our farewells and heartfelt thanks for returning our mother to us and sharing such important information with us. Express our regret that the obsidian sand will not allow us to remain in regular contact with him.
    ---[X] Viserys will create 13 Phantom Steeds for everyone to ride; eight using all of his 3rd level spell slots, two using four 2nd level spell slots, and three using 4th level spell slots. Two Children of the Forest will need to ride on most of the steeds.
    [X] Use phantom steeds to go to Castle Black
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Adhoc vote count started by Goldfish on Jan 21, 2018 at 11:41 AM, finished with 142160 posts and 15 votes.
  • [X] Help make your mother comfortable, and explain where you are, in the far north, beyond the realms of men.
    -[X] Introduce Richard, your most leal Knight, and the children of the forest. Explain that the magical and mystical things of the world have been returning in recent years, and that you've discovered there is a bit of magic within our blood, needing no dark rituals to call upon.
    -[X] Explain that you are still in exile, but have been hearty and hale, and have gathered many friends and allies.
    --[X] You have even subdued and begun civilizing the stepstones, to a much greater success than Daemon's attempt, and are continuing to gather your strength.
    -[X] You will head towards Castle Black, and from there you will bring her home to your capital, Sorcerer's Deep.
    -[X] Answer any questions she might have.
    [X] In the morning, head out by Phantom Steed towards Castle Black, keeping to the ground.
    -[X] Once Dany has a chance to prepare her spells, she will swap out Blessed Aim for another Endure Elements spell for Rhaella and Revivify for Greater Stone Shape. If we are forced to make camp for a night North of the Wall, she will use Greater Stone Shape to create a small, fortified redoubt from the nearest acceptable rock outcropping. Later, we will share the location of this fort with the Brothers of the Nightwatch so that they may use it in the future.
    --[X] When we are ready to depart, give Bloodraven our farewells and heartfelt thanks for returning our mother to us and sharing such important information with us. Express our regret that the obsidian sand will not allow us to remain in regular contact with him.
    ---[X] Viserys will create 13 Phantom Steeds for everyone to ride; eight using all of his 3rd level spell slots, two using four 2nd level spell slots, and three using 4th level spell slots. Two Children of the Forest will need to ride on most of the steeds.
    [X] Use phantom steeds to go to Castle Black
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So Bloodraven is a bastard, a Bastard, kinslayer, oathbreaker, incestuous and the Greenseer in charge of reigning in the Old Gods.

Did they never heard the saying "fox in the henhouse"? :V
 
DragonParadox said:
So just to check, you guys are fine with waiting for morning?

Also are you making any changes to Dany's spell load-out?
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It's in the plan. Another Endure Elements swapping in place of Blessed Aim for Rhaella and a Greater Stone Shape instead of Revivify in case we need to fort up for the night before reaching Castle Black. We're going to want to include Rhaella in tomorrow's round of Persistomancy, too.
 
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