I've certainly been trying to make it a spectrum throughout the quest.
To be honest, the latest Evil people we've met where all unrepentant monster or completely self-srving bastards with no redeeming qualities.

Even Bron mostly got a pass for what we know from his canon self and even that was a close call.


You are kinda overdoing the puppy eating in my opinion and the nuances get lost under that.
 
You didn't skim very well then, 3 can be Bad things for Good reasons no sadism necessary but maybe too willing to be the one to have to get their hands dirty "my burden".

4 can be a near automaton also not having anything to do with sadism.

There's more to both and all the others too.

I don't particularly want Evil minions but I am quite sick of "No, Evil is Bad Obviously because we all know exactly what all Evil is like all the time".

Can there be no spectrum?
There is certainly a spectrum, but at least one of the archetypes mentioned (the Executive) was stated to be considered as LE in name only, as their only "Evil" characteristic is ruthlessness.
For the example of "getting their hands dirty", allow me to quote from the article in question:

"Have him take just a little too much satisfaction from resorting to dirtier methods, or have him use violence as a first resort, rather than a last one. That readiness, nay, desire to get his hands dirty is what pushes a character like this from Neutral into Evil."

I would say that Richard is entirely too willing to get his hands dirty, and has no problems with advocating for the murder of most things we meet. He is also considered LN, because he derives no satisfaction from getting his hands dirty, and only does so because it is his Duty.

4 is also the one who is most likely to switch their alignment out of having done Evil in ignorance, which doesn't seem like the type of evil minion the thread wants. Those advocating for Evil minions seem to want one who is genuinely evil, yet also willing to subordinate ourselves to us, to which I wonder what the purpose of having them be evil is in the first place?

I'm approaching it from the exactly different direction.

If we meet an interesting person who would make a good ally, friend or subordinate I want to keep the option to have him/her as that.
Not remove that chance by pre-emptivly striking against evil, or likely evil, people and creatures we meet.

That's all. I don't plan to specifically write a "Evil Help Wanted" poster.

Take as example Taena (who might have been Evil but wasn't), Bronn (Who is Evil) and earlier Glyra. All people we recruited regardless of alignment, or unknowing of it.

I have no problems recruiting people despite what their "alignment" is, because I usually care more about what the character's motivations are and how likely they are to mesh with our current companions and wants. I'm just wondering why people want to recruit someone because of their alignment rather than in spite of it.
 
To be honest, the latest Evil people we've met where all unrepentant monster or completely self-srving bastards with no redeeming qualities.

Even Bron mostly got a pass for what we know from his canon self and even that was a close call.


You are kinda overdoing the puppy eating in my opinion and the nuances get lost under that.

The lich was justifiably insane, I would have had to warp his character to make him seem reasonable. However before that we had Saan, who is neural evil and you guys liked fine.
 
Apperance: To eyes that see naught but the light of common day the armor is still black as steel scorched by flame, but where before its weaving of protective wards glowed red as new-spilled blood now it is the comforting ruddy color of forge fire, the marks of devils shifted into a tongue that resounds of higher powers at the merest glance from one blessed with arcane senses.
OOC: That armor is now a minor artifact with a hell of a celestial aura, being the touchstone that marks a lost deva finding faith in its purpose again.
@Goldfish, my 100 IM if you would be so kind.
 
"I do not feel I have a right to ask anything more of you given the peril I pushed you into, but i would very much like to know at least one my kin safe and happy before I depart."
Can we get Lya to explain genealogy and statistical analysis to him?

To the best of my knowledge if he had a reasonable amount of kids, then now, 300 years later, he should have enough descendants that one of them being safe and happy is almost certain.:D
Though Planetos being Planetos lower the odds a bit.
 
[X] Agree to find another descendant

I'm sure the dude has a descendant out there who isn't a person we disagree with, and it likely won't take long to find them now that the spirit is fully cognizant and able to talk freely.
We can go find them and recruit them into Sorcerers Deep, maybe get them in the mage school or something.
 
Can we get Lya to explain genealogy and statistical analysis to him?

To the best of my knowledge if he had a reasonable amount of kids, then now, 300 years later, he should have enough descendants that one of them being safe and happy is almost certain.:D

Yes he understands probability, however there is a difference between something being probable and certain. statistical analyses does not deal in certainties.
 
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I will vote to help him, I can empathise with his wish to preserve the vestiges of his dynasty.
[X] Agree to find another descendant
 
I've got an idea. He was a general around the time the doom happened, so he ought to have pretty up-to-date information about Valyrian military secrets, maybe even regular secrets in the sense of 'critical assets' that must be protected or denied to the enemy. At the very least he ought to know what kind of defenses we can expect in Valyria, perhaps even some ways for Dragonlords to disable them?

@DragonParadox Could we ask him what he knows?
 
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@DragonParadox, a few more questions:

1. How many days have been spent on this fetch quest?
2. If we find a descendant does it seem likely the armor's powers will grow?
3. The angle won't bother us like we feared?
  1. One.
  2. No, this is just the spirit of an old man wanting some small comfort before seeking his fate.
  3. It intends to do it's job, shepherding lost souls, of which there are quite a lot to keep it busy. so it is unlikely to bother you.
 
The lich was justifiably insane, I would have had to warp his character to make him seem reasonable. However before that we had Saan, who is neural evil and you guys liked fine.
I think like is a bit strong a word for Saan.
He's a tad greedy and I've got the feeling that we will have significant problems to actually get some control over Deepcleft. I've noticed that Deepcleft still has Pirate Haven as form of government where every other place switched to Mageocracy the moment we took it.
 
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Hey, Roose was a competent subordinate until Robb started fucking up his politics. :V

Roose was actually angling to screw Robb right from the beginning. Think back to the only major command he had in the Battle of the Green Fork. Roose actually managed to catch the Lannister army completely by surprise. If he had struck them at First Light or earlier, he could have massacred them while they were mostly out of their armour and asleep in their tents. Mix in some fire in order to burn supplies and spook enemy horses and it's very likely Tywin's army would've disintegrated.

The problem was, Roose didn't want to actually commit to the fight since that would've involved risk to him. He kept all of his own troops out of the battle and put Stark loyalists on the front-lines so they could bleed and die. He explicitly ensured that he would've been able to retreat instead of going to the hilt in a surprise dawn attack. Considering his entire strategy was to force march his troops through the night, not fully following through on the attack destroyed the advantage and instead weakened his own troops by forcing them to fight tired.

Roose has A Thing about how heirs who are not of age will be the ruin of a House. In the books, he's even willing to let Ramsey kill his child with Fat Walda because he feels having his of age psychopathic bastard would be better than a legitimate infant as heir. As soon as Robb became Lord of the North, Roose started calculating the best time and place to plant a knife in Robb's back.
 
I think like is a bit strong a word for Saan.
He's a tad greedy and I've got the feeling that we will have significant problems to actually get some control over Deepcleft. I'v noticed that Deepcleft still has Pirate Haven as form of government where every other place switched to Mageocracy the moment we took it.

That is because he is a vassal and administrating his own lands. As to him not being evil, well you have seen him on his best behavior.
 
[X] Agree to find another descendant
Sure, why not, we are still ahead of schedule right? i want to see what DP wrote for plan B.
 
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