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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Numerous things. Further supernatural attacks. Civil unrest. But I'm thinking mostly long term. If we ensure there's a smooth transfer of power when we leave the governance in absentia to the people we brought over, we no longer have to worry about this outpost until we get ready to convert into a military training facility. I expect it'll be 2 months at least before we get started on that.

I understand the value in conserving that time though. Just curious, but are all the things we wanted to get done next month needing Viserys to be available in order to accomplish them, all 25 days?

If that's the case, I might be convinced to withdraw my plan, though that's no guarantee that people will vote for you. I do want the Dracolich + laws + Braavos + Dorne handled by the end of the turn. I don't care about anything outside those four actions though. If we could still handle all of them sans 5-10 days from our schedule, I think my plan is fine.
 
Crake said:
Numerous things. Further supernatural attacks. Civil unrest. But I'm thinking mostly long term. If we ensure there's a smooth transfer of power when we leave the governance in absentia to the people we brought over, we no longer have to worry about this outpost until we get ready to convert into a military training facility. I expect it'll be 2 months at least before we get started on that.

I understand the value in conserving that time though. Just curious, but are all the things we wanted to get done next month needing Viserys to be available in order to accomplish them, all 25 days?

If that's the case, I might be convinced to withdraw my plan, though that's no guarantee that people will vote for you. I do want the Dracolich + laws + Braavos + Dorne handled by the end of the turn. I don't care about anything outside those four actions though. If we could still handle all of them sans 5-10 days from our schedule, I think my plan is fine.
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Yeah, we need all the days. Laws alone still have around approx 10 days. If we roll poorly on Westhaven, that would leave us with 5 days for everything else.
 
In that case, consider my plan withdrawn. I'm abstaining in general though, I'm really not in favor of asking Garin to bring his wife to this dump. In fact, just about the only way you could convince me is if you had Vee offer to 'port him between there and SD to see her.
 
Crake said:
Numerous things. Further supernatural attacks. Civil unrest. But I'm thinking mostly long term. If we ensure there's a smooth transfer of power when we leave the governance in absentia to the people we brought over, we no longer have to worry about this outpost until we get ready to convert into a military training facility. I expect it'll be 2 months at least before we get started on that.

I understand the value in conserving that time though. Just curious, but are all the things we wanted to get done next month needing Viserys to be available in order to accomplish them, all 25 days?

If that's the case, I might be convinced to withdraw my plan, though that's no guarantee that people will vote for you. I do want the Dracolich + laws + Braavos + Dorne handled by the end of the turn. I don't care about anything outside those four actions though. If we could still handle all of them sans 5-10 days from our schedule, I think my plan is fine.
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In short, yes, we need all the days. Even without wasting time in Westhaven we'll be hard-pressed to fit everything into the next turn. We have 10 more days for code of laws, god knows how much the dracolich time will take, and we've seen that even a "brief" visit to Braavos ended up taking a good few days. I'm expecting about a week out of Dorne.

As for the magical attacks, we can imbue our party members with a Sending to call us over in case of emergencies.
 
@Goldfish Can I please have Tyene stay with Viserys? I really want to give her a trial run at experiencing being Mistress of Whispers before we have that serious talk with her. I also kinda need her to run keeping track of the trading ships so we know when to scry and teleport to them. Imbuing Sending on that many Captains starts getting a little untenable, compared to a level 2 spell that lets us just check in on their progress.
 
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@Goldfish Can I please have Tyene stay with Viserys? I really want to give her a trial run at experiencing being Mistress of Whispers before we have that serious talk with her. I also kinda need her to run keeping track of the trading ships so we know when to scry and teleport to them. Imbuing Sending on that many Captains starts getting a little untenable, compared to a level 2 spell that lets us just check in on their progress.
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Done.
 
[X] Crake
Withdrawn or not, our kingdom is not the kind of thing we should be skimping on. This is going yo affected our reputation going forward.
 
I understand there will possibly be a slight loss in reputation, but the honest to gods truth is that we just can't afford not to do these actions, and we sincerely need to have them done this month because we plan on being outside of our domain for extended periods of time following it. We literally have to delegate this if we want to get it all finished.

[X] Goldfish

Done.
Adhoc vote count started by Crake on Sep 19, 2017 at 9:30 AM, finished with 101906 posts and 15 votes.
  • [X] Set some of your companions to rule it
    -[X] Request that Garin take temporary governance of Westhaven for the next month or so, with the assistance of Waymar and Vee if they are available, to get the place settled and functional. Selyse would be welcome to join him. We would also detach a dozen trained Minotaurs as additional muscle and Imbue him with a Sending spell in order to contact us if he needed emergency assistance.
    -[X] Ask Vee to try to make Westhaven self-sufficient. If necessary, she can gain assistance from the Lampad, plus Dany casting a Womb of the Earth spell.
    [X] Crakehall
    [X] Set one of your companions to rule it
    -[X] Request that Garin take temporary governance of Westhaven for the next month or so, to get the place settled and functional. Selyse would be welcome to join him. We could also detach a dozen trained Minotaurs as additional muscle and Imbue him with a Sending spell in order to contact us if
    -[X] Ask Vee how long she thinks it would take for her to make Westhaven self-sufficient if she had assistance from the Lampad.
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Crake said:
In that case, consider my plan withdrawn. I'm abstaining in general though, I'm really not in favor of asking Garin to bring his wife to this dump. In fact, just about the only way you could convince me is if you had Vee offer to 'port him between there and SD to see her.
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Rather than abstaining can you please switch over to my plan? Removing your plan still leaves all the folks who name voted you pointing at nothing as far as the tally tool is concerned.

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das_slash said:
[X] Crake
Withdrawn or not, our kingdom is not the kind of thing we should be skimping on. This is going yo affected our reputation going forward.
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Delegating to our party members isn't skimping, though. And seriously, we are so ridiculously pressed for time on absolutely crucial actions. Since there's a way to delegate here we need to take that option.

If we weren't so pressed for time I'd happily vote to keep Viserys here to personally oversee Westhaven, but there are far too many things that only he can do right now.
 
@DragonParadox We have a consensus.
Adhoc vote count started by Goldfish on Sep 19, 2017 at 9:39 AM, finished with 101907 posts and 15 votes.
  • [X] Set some of your companions to rule it
    -[X] Request that Garin take temporary governance of Westhaven for the next month or so, with the assistance of Waymar and Vee, to get the place settled and functional. Selyse would be welcome to join him.
    -[X] Ask Vee to try to make Westhaven self-sufficient. If necessary, she can gain assistance from the Lampad, plus Dany casting a Womb of the Earth spell.
    [X] Crakehall
    [X] Set one of your companions to rule it
    -[X] Request that Garin take temporary governance of Westhaven for the next month or so, to get the place settled and functional. Selyse would be welcome to join him. We could also detach a dozen trained Minotaurs as additional muscle and Imbue him with a Sending spell in order to contact us if
    -[X] Ask Vee how long she thinks it would take for her to make Westhaven self-sufficient if she had assistance from the Lampad.
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Duesal said:
Delegating to our party members isn't skimping, though. And seriously, we are so ridiculously pressed for time on absolutely crucial actions. Since there's a way to delegate here we need to take that option.

If we weren't so pressed for time I'd happily vote to keep Viserys here to personally oversee Westhaven, but there are far too many things that only he can do right now.
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Only the xorn is time crucial, we are the ruler, the future of this city Will be affected by these few first days of transition. A code of law is nothing without a rule of law, i want to do those other things, but this is one of those things we have window of opportunity that we are voting to miss.
Our companions may do a good job, but its not the same as having your actual King lay down the law.
 
Yeah delegation is a really important skill for any leader. And honestly our hoard of people can be used for more than just murderhoboing! :p But more seriously both Garin and Waymar have experience or expectations with ruling and could use more. The military nature if thus place might even be good for Waymar, whom upon rereading I think the thread is a but too harsh on.
 
[X] Stay here and untangle it yourself
-[X] Some capable administrators and guards will be placed in control of the town and get comfortable carrying out daily tasks, to which we expect them to continue these duties when we finally leave.
-[X] Call a meeting with all the who's whos and busybodies, the important people of Westhaven who haven't been killed off, and display our ability to come and go at any time via teleportation. Make no secret that those who attempt to sow discontent between the people living here and our subordinates will experience our displeasure without delay.
-[X] Ask Vee how long she thinks it would take for her to make Westhaven self-sufficient if she had assistance from the Lampad.
Since crake withdrew his vote, i has to go back and copy It, if someone who is not a phone could tag the rest of his voters that would be great.
 
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Tyene is basically female viserys when it comes to social, then garin. After that, our party is mainly specced for crafting and combat. We need moar tyenes.

[X] Goldfish

Maybe spend a day sitting in the back of the room while working on the law while garin/tyene/whomever gets settled, and then have them work on setting up an joint admistration between sone of alinors underlings that know how she likes thing to be run and some of the locals that they can hand power of to?

If vee is working to make sustainable food source and heling people, then it would be handy enough for garin and selese to visit if she dosen't want to hang out in a place filled with wrath and self loathing.

Ugh. We should probably spend 30 min socialing them into self forgiveness (those enchanted) and letting go of their hate for tyrosh (i can just see that being demon bait, that them goes on a murder spree in westhaven). It feels like fiddling with an iffy thermostat.

Also, I'm glad that a few undead rose and gave them a scare after we left. Should show that messing around with shit will have further consequences.

We should ask for everyone to provide a list names of who died, so we can have a simple monument made. The pech would like that, stories, a god being an asshole. I think they will. Fey are always tricky.
Obv, slaver amd slave should have no distinction. They were all victims. (even if we work slavery in general into the narrative as a contributing factor, it should still work)
 
das_slash said:
Only the xorn is time crucial, we are the ruler, the future of this city Will be affected by these few first days of transition. A code of law is nothing without a rule of law, i want to do those other things, but this is one of those things we have window of opportunity that we are voting to miss.
Our companions may do a good job, but its not the same as having your actual King lay down the law.
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I'm willing to take "good enough" rather than perfection in this case.

Yes, the Xorn thing is the only one with an actual time stamp, but at the same time we can't afford not to get the other actions done as quickly as possible. The dracolich needs to be dealt with. The code of laws needs to be written. Dorne needs to be visited at long last. Braavos needs to be visited to bolster our funding. Salladhor Saan needs to be personally diplomanced.

And every single one of these actions requires Viserys. Westhaven doesn't.
 
Guys, this is stupid and shortsighted. Let's save 5 days now to waste a month in the future when the undersociety plots against our delegates and causes a shitstorm that we then have to solve perfectly and immediately or look like a chump on the world stage, a child overstepping their capabilities.

REPUTATION. Everyone can see this fail, nobody can see the Dracolich or any of that other stuff and I am certainly not in favour of abandoning Planetosi affairs for Planar affairs. I'm playing an ASOIAF quest for a reason goddamnit.
 
The Dracolich has become time crucial. We really can't put it off any further--and what I mean by that is, the wards may not fail within the next month, but we can't take the time out to do it next month because we won't be inside SD to do so. So it's less a matter of the dracolich being something we can't put off because it's in danger of busting out (though it is) within a month, but that we have to set aside a month to do so anyway, we have the means to get it done now, and we can't afford to have it distracting us or worse, potentially busting out while we're away. We cannot afford to skip it.

The code of laws is something best drawn up this month just before the Step Stones is consolidated, because again, it boosts social order while we're absent, which we will be in following months. We can't put it off, and we shouldn't, because we're taking a good chunk of this month's time to handle business in SD anyway. We can't afford to skip it.

The trip to Braavos facilitates acquiring much needed funds for the rest of our crafting list, while tying up loose ends and presumably fitting in a diplomatic visit to the Sea Lord. We can't put this off because we're going to be facing potent threats fairly soon, and slotting it in and acquiring the gold before visiting MS this month means we'll have cash to spend on more reagents. It's simply good sense to utilize our time efficiently in that sense. We can't afford to skip it.

The trip to Dorne cannot be ignored on our list of priorities. We have put it off for far too long, and considering Dorne is the only Kingdom who has officially pledged to aide us in recovering our birthright, it is a crying shame that we have put it off for as long as we have already. Tyene has been a loyal and stalwart ally, and friend. We cannot afford to skip it.
 
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Deliste said:
Guys, this is stupid and shortsighted. Let's save 5 days now to waste a month in the future when the undersociety plots against our delegates and causes a shitstorm that we then have to solve perfectly and immediately or look like a chump on the world stage, a child overstepping their capabilities.
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This is being blown seriously out of proportion. The only ones left on the island are underlings.

Also, just because Viserys isn't the one doing this doesn't mean the action isn't being done at all. Our party members are picking up the slack for us. Tyene will be able to catch said undersociety plots more easily than we'd be able to.
 
Crake said:
The Dracolich has become time crucial. We really can't put it off any further--and what I mean by that is, the wards may not fail within the next month, but we can't take the time out to do it next month because we won't be inside SD to do so. So it's less a matter of the dracolich being something we can't put off because it's in danger of busting out (though it is) within a month, but that we have to set aside a month to do so anyway, we have the means to get it done now, and we can't afford to have it distracting us or worse, potentially busting out while we're away. We cannot afford to skip it.

The code of laws is something best drawn up this month just before the Step Stones is consolidated it, because again, it boosts social order while we're absent, which we will be in following months. We can't put it off, and we shouldn't, because we're taking a good chunk of this month's time to handle business in SD anyway. We can't afford to skip it.

The trip to Braavos facilitates acquiring much needed funds for the rest of our crafting list, while tying up loose ends and presumably fitting in a diplomatic visit to the Sea Lord. We can't put this off because we're going to be facing potent threats fairly soon, and slotting it in and acquiring the gold before visiting MS this month means we'll have cash to spend on more reagents. It's simply good sense to utilize our time efficiently in that sense. We can't afford to skip it.

The trip to Dorne cannot be ignored on our list of priorities. We have put it off for far too long, and considering Dorne is the only Kingdom who has officially pledged to aide us in recovering our birthright, it is a crying shame that we have put it off for as long as we have already. Tyene has been a loyal and stalwart ally, and friend. We cannot afford to skip it.
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Dracolich does not require Viserys. Dany, Lya and Xor are available.Next.

Code of Laws is nice but not time crunch and it became necessary BECAUSE we are taking Westhaven, losing Westhaven and gaining laws is a huge step backward. Next.

Braavos will be nice for funds but I also care very little about gold and a diplomatic mission to Braavos will fail worse than not turning up if there is news about our newest holding failing while we flit around our old haunts. The Sealord won't put his appreciation of a friendly visit over the mark on our competence if shit goes down. Next.

Dorne is fair but same argument for Sealord, even if we do well while there if news comes that while we were being a charming young lad our people were dying to ghouls and ghasts then it's worse than never having turned up.
"He smiled and drank wine while they feasted on the flesh of their brothers, he told them that might happen you know".
 
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Duesal said:
This is being blown seriously out of proportion. The only ones left on the island are underlings.

Also, just because Viserys isn't the one doing this doesn't mean the action isn't being done at all. Our party members are picking up the slack for us. Tyene will be able to catch said undersociety plots more easily than we'd be able to.
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Underlings which DP dropped hints about until it hurt. They hate everything and everyone except us right now and need to be weaned off that viewpoint.

[X] das_slash
 
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Don't forget that Garin was the only one with any Sense Motive for the longest time. Him, Tyene andWaymar seem like a good ruling Triumverate.

@Goldfish do we wanna add Tyene to the plan?
 
I'm scratching my head... my reasoning originally for the plan to remain as overhead wasn't, in any way, shape, or form doubting the competence of Garin, Tyene and Waymar to oversee Westhaven. Just the opposite, I was concerned about forcing Garin to spend time away from his wife. It was almost entirely based around the supposition that even with 5-10 days off the cart, we could still get those four actions done. We could not. Thus, the scales aren't balanced. Thus, we need to balance them.
 
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