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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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IMHO my own priority list is the following. Non necesarrily in that order

1. Meet the Lords of the Narrow Sea and help them with their Minflayer problem.

2. Get mommys bones by curing Shireen ( maybe heal the wife too?) or just smash and grab.

3. Go to Dorne to pick up Elia's remains and Oberyn. Try chill things between Arianne and Doran. Maybe hold a speech as Doran to diplomance the masses into chilling about the whole faith and magic thing.

4. Introductions and family reunion with Papa Royce

5. Reunion between lost Greyjoys and Targaryens at Winterfell. Clandestine obviously.

6. Visit granduncle Brynden for all those ressurections and necesarry exposition regarding the Old Gods, magic and the return of the Others
 
paintedspear said:
I was more worried about his titles
the Father of Serpents, the Primal Coil, the Sundered God, the Slumbering Speaker
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the avatar is also wrong, i guess that with snake gods there is going to be a lot of overlap. personally i was more worried about the fact that it is dead, and uses an ouroboros too, same colors as the new avatar as well, but that could be left over from the mallor.
Ladoss said:
So hate to mention this but how exactly this update is possible with Vee guarding Yss outside of a Tower?
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vee confirmed as multiple entities?
or maybe.. thats not vee! everyone to attack mode ! we have been infiltrated by a stranger!
 
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Artemis1992 said:
We can't and won't and shouldn't free him before the damn Gate is sealed and the Listener dead.
After that we'll see.
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And every bit of advice he gives us is utterly worthless, since he doesn't care about the gate and will just try to manipulate us to free him instead of closing it.

Also: Please stop to litter the world with powerful opponents. We've got more then enough of them already.
 
Azel said:
And every bit of advice he gives us is utterly worthless, since he doesn't care about the gate and will just try to manipulate us to free him instead of closing it.

Also: Please stop to litter the world with powerful opponents. We've got more then enough of them already.
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well, his release depends on we closing the gate, so i would say he has a very good reason to help, we just have to make a good deal.
 
das_slash said:
the avatar is also wrong, i guess that with snake gods there is going to be a lot of overlap. personally i was more worried about the fact that it is dead, and uses an ouroboros too, same colors as the new avatar as well, but that could be left over from the mallor.

vee confirmed as multiple entities?
or maybe.. thats not vee! everyone to attack mode ! we have been infiltrated by a stranger!
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Vee is the current high priestess of a god of reincarnation and rebirth, she just reincarnated tomorrow's Vee in our party.

Azel said:
Also: Please stop to litter the world with powerful opponents. We've got more then enough of them already.
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Wouldn't Relath like some female companionship?
 
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Azel said:
And every bit of advice he gives us is utterly worthless, since he doesn't care about the gate and will just try to manipulate us to free him instead of closing it.

Also: Please stop to litter the world with powerful opponents. We've got more then enough of them already.
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No. We can explain him that we won't even think about freeing him (and breaking the Wards here in the process) until the Gate is sealed permanently.
That's simply not an option, because demon-invasion and continent-wide disasters are too high a price for any reward here.

So if he has any sanity left after millenia of imprisonment he'll support us in that task.
 
There is like a lot of snakish deities (to add some that weren't mentioned yet).

Lawful Good: Jazirian - Wikipedia

Of all the emergent aspects of the Great Scaled One, two deities in particular attracted the worship of most nagas: Ssharstrune and Shekinester. The former embodied the principles of curiosity, destruction, and possessiveness that had precipitated the World Serpents fragmentation. The latter, known as the Naga Queen, became the keeper of the knowledge and wisdom originally held by the World Serpent, preserved within the eternal flame that she guarded.

After the fall of Mhairshaulk, both Ssharstrune and Jazirian, another fragment of the World Serpent, began to court Shekinester. The Naga Queen eventually chose Jazirian and became pregnant by him. Enraged by this decision, Ssharstrune attacked Shekinester, and she was forced to swallow him. In so doing, the Naga Queen took into herself the same destructive element that had fragmented the World Serpent in the first place. As a result, she acquired five guises: the Acquirer, the Empowerer, the Seeker, the Weaver, and the Preserver. This event was accompanied by a fivefold division in the naga race, forming the five major subraces now known as dark nagas, guardian nagas, iridescent nagas, spirit nagas, and water nagas.

Upon giving birth to Parrafaire, the Naga Prince, Shekinester expelled Ssharstrunes remains and instructed her offspring to hide away the destructive force that the corpse embodied forever, so that her five-fold aspect could not actually divide her into five separate goddesses. Parrafaire complied with her wishes, and now both he and his mother are venerated as guardians of the naga race.

This has great similarities to the History of the Sisters of Light and Darkness, with Shekinester being Selune, and Ssharstrune being Shar. This also strangelly shows Asmodeus has a place as a god in Faerun, being essentially, a "brother" to Shar and Selune(all fragments of the World Serpent are seen as siblings, although some are closer like Jazirian and Asmodeus/Ahriman).

Oddly, this version of the myth makes Shar/Ssharstrune a spurned lover of Selune/Shekinester, although it has sense, seeing how they even had a child together - Chauntea, and more unconventionally, created by mixing of their essences in battle, Mystryl, and several other gods.
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MTB said:
That makes sense, but "enforced subservience" is slavery, and that won't fly with the main characters.
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There's always the chance it's a necessary part of the process, e.g. bound to us by blood and magic to retain a physical form and that I'd vote for, any less control I won't because it's just dangerous for us.

The avatar I'm okay with because he likes orange skittles, and orange is my least favourite skittle, but a dragon likes red and purple skittles, I can't deal with that kind of competition.
 
The more I think about it I really think Ydersius is the snake god because If you look at it.
He is fitting the domains demon? his ability to even when really really weak with very little in the way of sacrifice drag every demon in the city down to the abyss and destroy the demon gate fits the domain of demon.
Furthermore the amount of strength he gets form demons sacrificed to him fits both demon and martyr and him giving us the illusion of true neutral can come from his domains of nobility, leadership and tactics which might all so be why he can show the future you know see what your enemy is going to do before he does it. so really I can see him in all the actions the snake god has done.

But that may be because I don't know exactly what all those domains cover in dnd so I m going of what I can draw from the words themselves.

but I want to be wrong so so wrong I want a god on our side and god that's not trying to trick us and who we are not just trying to get away from.
 
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paintedspear said:
The more I think about it I really think Ydersius is the snake god because If you look at it.
He is fitting the domains demon? his ability to even when really really weak with very little in the way of sacrifice drag every demon in the city down to the abyss and destroy the demon gate fits the domain of demon.
Furthermore the amount of strength he gets form demon sacrificed to him fits both demon and martyr and him giving us the illusion of true neutral can come from his domains of nobility, leadership and tactics which might all so be why he can show the future you know see what your enemy is going to do before he does it. so really I can see him in all the actions the snake god has done.

But that may be because I don't know exactly what all those domains cover in dnd so I m going of what I can draw from the words themselves.

but I want to be wrong so so wrong I want a god on our side and god that's not trying to trick us and who we are not just trying to get away from.
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the main thing that puts them apart in my opinion is law, snek is clearly lawful, very lawful indeed, while ysdersius is chaotic.
 
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