Interlude MCCXXXVIII: Of Ravens and Pigs
Of Ravens and Pigs

Fifth Day of the Twelfth Month 294 AC

The ravens came slowly, first in ones and twos, then threes, fours and fives. Letters clinging onto letters, angry or apologetic, at times even half and half. Proud lords of the Riverlands did not grovel to clerks who still bore the humble names of their fathers. Of course, there were no Riverlands these days and not even the most stiff necked wool-witted fool of a knight would deny that Lorenso Cobbler held real power in his hands, in the tip of his gilded stylus, and so they asked for aid... about two months too late.

Now now Lorenso, they have been talking about brigands, vagabonds and trespass onto their lands for all that time, it is just that you have been ignoring it because it came out of the back end of a mule. The governor held his tongue between his teeth, the gesture almost but not quite painful. The local aristocracy complaining about movements of population was not unknown to him. When he had worked in the Office on Land in Tyrosh it was basically one step removed from magisters asking you to put the local freedmen back in chains so they will work the fields, so he had to send answers, conciliatory or confrontational, all of them empty, and he had waited for the first flurry of moves off the lands to die down. It would be likely much lighter here than in Essos regardless.

It did not die down.

It was only when a man with a pig came to see him, insisting that he show off the pig, that he realized what was rooting around under the surface. Ha ha, you should have been a mummer. Alas, the inner voice that sounded distressingly like his late father did not get any quieter away from Braavos.

The shift from traditional rights to the use of the forest for pig grazing, or whatever it was called, to paying tax to use those same woods had struck the local swineherds quite badly, leaving them to go off in search of greener pastures, or perhaps muddier ones. The trouble was that the idea of tended forests that would make a profit off rare woods was catching, and particularly popular in the region.

The troubles had come to a head when old Count Piper had been the last one to proclaim his woods closed to swine and dead wood collectors. 'The fey would do the job of warding away fire better,' he claimed and perhaps he was right, but that did not do much for the fire of burgeoning rebellion in the hearts of the small army of angry smallfolk, mostly pig and goat herders, who found themselves without recourse or sanctuary not far from Pinkmaiden.

Thankfully things had not degenerated into violence. Their leader, the aforementioned man with a pig named Chops, because of course he was, Westerosi mothers bearing some ill-defined malice to their offspring in Lorenso's opinion, explained that he was sure the Imperator would see them granted their old rights back in spite of the greedy lords.

"Like ticks on a sow they are, milord," the man finished his tale in the least welcome exercise of recontextualization in Lorenso's career. The lords had not done anything wrong, but there were thousands of people camped outside Pinkmaiden Keep alone and they were but the tip of the spear. There were likely far more people wandering the Gold Road even now and they were turning desperate. The lords might have their vagabonds and brigands too if something was not done.

Local Taxes
  1. Golden Mountains: 58 (Success)
  2. Greyport: 87 (Success)
  3. Midlands: 81 (Success)
  4. Hearthlands: 13 (Failure)
What do you do about the herders and others driven off the land as the forests are being turned to growing rare wood?

[] Direct them to King's Landing, with the improved infrastructure it should be able to hold them safely

[] Send them south into the rich Mandervale, the Tyrells will complain but they are politically isolated

[] Bid them go west into Red Lake and Greyport, the leadership of the provinces will not complain, though given unrest in the area the population might

[] Write in


OOC: This one flowed a lot easier than the previous update. Hope you guys enjoy.
 
Of Ravens and Pigs

Fifth Day of the Twelfth Month 294 AC

The ravens came slowly, first in ones and twos, then threes, fours, and fives. Letters clinging onto letters, angry or apologetic, at times even half and half. Proud lords of the Riverlands did not grovel to clerks who still bore the humble names of their fathers. Of course, there were no Riverlands these days and not even the most stiff-necked wool-witted fool of a knight would deny that Lorenso Cobbler held real power in his hands, in the tip of his gilded stylus, and so they asked for aid... about two months too late.

Now now, Lorenso, they have been talking about brigands, vagabonds, and trespass onto their lands for all that time, it is just that you have been ignoring it because it came out of the back end of a mule. The governor held his tongue between his teeth, the gesture almost but not quite painful. The local aristocracy complaining about movements of population was not unknown to him. When he had worked in the Office of Land in Tyrosh, it was basically one step removed from magisters asking you to put the local freedmen back in chains so they will work the fields. So he had to send answers, conciliatory or confrontational, all of them empty, and he had waited for the first flurry of moves off the lands to die down. It would be likely much lighter here than in Essos regardless.

It did not die down.

It was only when a man with a pig came to see him, insisting that he show off the pig, that he realized what was rooting around under the surface. Ha ha, you should have been a mummer. Alas, the inner voice that sounded distressingly like his late father did not get any quieter away from Braavos.

The shift from traditional rights to the use of the forest for pig grazing, or whatever it was called, to paying tax to use those same woods had struck the local swineherds quite badly, leaving them to go off in search of greener pastures, or perhaps muddier ones. The trouble was that the idea of tended forests that would make a profit off rare woods was catching, and particularly popular in the region.

The troubles had come to a head when old Count Piper had been the last one to proclaim his woods closed to swine and dead wood collectors. 'The fey would do the job of warding away fire better,' he claimed and perhaps he was right, but that did not do much for the fire of burgeoning rebellion in the hearts of the small army of angry smallfolk, mostly pig and goat herders, who found themselves without recourse or sanctuary not far from Pinkmaiden.

Thankfully, things had not degenerated into violence. Their leader, the aforementioned man with a pig, was named Chops, because of course he was, Westerosi mothers bearing some ill-defined malice to their offspring in Lorenso's opinion, explained that he was sure the Imperator would see them granted their old rights back in spite of the greedy lords.

"Like ticks on a sow they are, milord," the man finished his tale in the least welcome exercise of recontextualization in Lorenso's career. The lords had not done anything wrong, but there were thousands of people camped outside Pinkmaiden Keep alone and they were but the tip of the spear. There were likely far more people wandering the Gold Road even now, and they were turning desperate. The lords might have their vagabonds and brigands, too, if something was not done.

Local Taxes
  1. Golden Mountains: 58 (Success)
  2. Greyport: 87 (Success)
  3. Midlands: 81 (Success)
  4. Hearthlands: 13 (Failure)
What do you do about the herders and others driven off the land as the forests are being turned to growing rare wood?

[] Direct them to King's Landing, with the improved infrastructure it should be able to hold them safely

[] Send them south into the rich Mandervale, the Tyrells will complain but they are politically isolated

[] Bid them go west into Red Lake and Greyport, the leadership of the provinces will not complain, though given unrest in the area the population might

[] Write in


OOC: This one flowed a lot easier than the previous update. Hope you guys enjoy.
Made some additional edits to the chapter, DP.
 
It was inevitable that King's Landing would become one of the largest populated areas in Westeros and expand / increase the urbanization of the Crownlands even more.

[X] Direct them to King's Landing, with the improved infrastructure it should be able to hold them safely
 
I wouldn't have expected there to be any issues with allowing pigs to graze the underbrush in hardwood forests. Seems like keeping the forest floor free of other growth would be beneficial for the already established trees.

Then again, I'm not exactly an expert on forestry or herding.

[X] Direct them to King's Landing, with the improved infrastructure it should be able to hold them safely
 
I wouldn't have expected there to be any issues with allowing pigs to graze the underbrush in hardwood forests. Seems like keeping the forest floor free of other growth would be beneficial for the already established trees.

Then again, I'm not exactly an expert on forestry or herding.

[X] Direct them to King's Landing, with the improved infrastructure it should be able to hold them safely
Pigs can do a lot of damage to young trees.
Mostly boars, who can rub the bark of a tree even if they don't chew on the sapling, but I'm optimistic regular pigs could be trouble as well.
 
[X] Direct them to King's Landing, with the improved infrastructure it should be able to hold them safely

Personally I think the solution would be to have designated forests and other greenery areas designated for pig farming. Although that would bring up a whole host of other problems regarding fair distribution and/or necessary steps for the herder and quite possibly other professions so ... I don't know?
 
[X] Direct them to King's Landing, with the improved infrastructure it should be able to hold them safely

Personally I think the solution would be to have designated forests and other greenery areas designated for pig farming. Although that would bring up a whole host of other problems regarding fair distribution and/or necessary steps for the herder and quite possibly other professions so ... I don't know?

Well the first issue you would face is that most of the forests belong to the local lords, a few belong to the crown because they were taken off traitors, but not generally in this area.
 
For anyone interested the pig herder called Chops has canon support in the form of the boy from KL called Hot Pie. Sometimes smallfolk have no name but the nickname.
I call my brother Dumbass more often than not (it's a well deserved title, BTW). People I work with didn't know he had any other name for the first few years I worked there.

If you earn a nickname, you should stick with it.
 
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Why not take a page out of RL and use grain to feed the livestock?

We have a gargantuan surplus of it and the market is collapsing.

But that is only for plant products.

I'm fairly sure people would be ecstatic to have extra meat in their diet.

That means farmers have a way to sell the surplus grain, the herders have a source of food for their animals and the citizens get cheaper meat.

It will need an initial cash infusion, though. The herders currently have little capital to purchase grain in bulk. And there needs to be regulation that limits the livestock per unit of land so the manure is spread around and doesn't oversaturate the groundwater in one area.

Or cause a local price explosion in grain because all of it is bought up.

We'd eventually need large scale slaughtering facilities as well due to hygiene issues of all the waste products.
 
It will need an initial cash infusion, though. The herders currently have little capital to purchase grain in bulk.
The straightforward answer is loans, but we might be able to make some money on this instead.

There's still quite a market for prime material goods with our trading partners, and pigs are likely among the things that aren't easily/commonly raised on the elemental planes.

So we could buy the pigs directly, then process them and export it to the genies. A few state contracts on grain and we could start vertically integrating the whole business for reduced costs.

The bacon sales alone could probably pay for most of our air force maintenance. :V
 
I mean if you guys want to take the chance to set up some kind of pig herding and raising business you can do a write in, it is IC. I am still going to need a direction to send these people in though, that has to be clear.
 
Vote closed.
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Jul 30, 2021 at 5:04 AM, finished with 22 posts and 8 votes.
 
Part MMMDCCCLXIV: Choosing a Side
Choosing a Side

Fifth Day of the Twelfth Month 294 AC

You find yourself in the Red Keep again in the company of governor's inspectors and even commissars. In some ways the choice you make today is obvious, King's Landing is the end of the Gold Road and it is where a lot of the displaced folk are traveling to in the first place. It should not be too hard to make sure most of them reach the end safely and do not stray, but everyone here knows their history, knows how King's Landing grew into the noisome morbid state you had found it in. It had been the gathering of too many people and not enough space, not enough water, not enough access to simple sewage that had set the cesspool of Flea Bottom bubbling... and those people had come from the Riverlands during the Dance.

Of course this is not a time of war, nor is the city without aid or care from the wider realm, you had already approved some funds to erect new houses and apartments, but it is still going to take some time for the newcomers to settle in and the sad fact of the matter is that King's Landing is not Sorcerer's Deep, there are nowhere near as many opportunities as for work free of the strictures of the guilds here.

In the end it is the usually quiet Shad Ibn Mal who comes up with the best short term solution to get these people working and earning a living wage while they get on their feet, tear down the walls of the city, built to fight a sort of war that is as dead as the last king and use the space to help the city expand.

Thankfully there is no trouble in the hinterlands around the former capital with lords of the southern and northern Crownlands having the wisdom to improve their lands without turning too many people out.

Local Taxes
  • Northern Crownlands: 89 (Success)
  • Southern Crownlands: 63 (Success)
***​

Unfortunately you do not have long to keep your eyes on matters in King's Landing owing to other subtler troubles, specifically from the Inquisition as it attempts to expand its reach into rural areas and the keeps of lesser lords, to gain control over the important centers of production and the agricultural heartlands of Westeros. There is for once no blood spilled and no threats of violence even made, no scandals in the papers, but there is trouble brewing on the horizon just the same.

"The narrower the stage and the more the audience knows the mummers the easier it is to trip," Garin puts it rather succinctly that night at dinner, a private affair for family and friends. "I have been seeing report after report of newly inserted agents getting tripped up, getting found out, particularly when dealing with communities that are socially if not economically isolated. There have been cases where the local lords reacted poorly, like in the Shield Islands, but mostly the matter was swept out of sight before much could be made of it, only... "

"Only we are leaning on the traditional levers of power again and if the lord has to smooth things over the Inquisition cannot help to enforce Imperial Law," you finish. Leaning back in your seat you ask. "So what do you think the trouble is? Difference in culture? Language? Religion?"

"In a way I think it might be all of them and neither," your friend replies. "There is a difference in social structure that makes it harder for something as impersonal as the Inquisition to function as it does in parts of Essos, once it is operating openly at least. The aristocracy of Westeros and their immediate retainers value their honor, or at least the perception of their honor, more than we are used to. There is this impression that the personal connection, looking into one's eyes and shaking his hand is more valuable, more real than well..." he smiles. "'The dragon coiled on his throne of steel', as they say."

More flattering than what those same people thought of you a year ago for certain. Taking another sip of your wine you listen as he continues.

"It is not that we are not finding recruits, there are more than enough incentives to get people to talk, it is that we are not finding trustworthy recruits, which of course compounds the trouble." At your nod he adds. "I think we need to change how the book and sword is perceived. One or the other as it were. We can either present the Inquisition as principally heroes against external foes who aught to be trusted for their valor and sacrifice, or as bearers of the book, mostly harmless eyes and ears, people to help with the fiddly bits, you know, sort of like the maesters."

"Because they turned out to be so very harmless," you laugh. Still, he makes a good point about social norms and how the Inquisition straddles them

Impose Imperial Law: Centers of Production 18 (Failure)

The reputation of the Inquisition has taken a hit in many parts of Westeros, particularly south of the Neck

What should the Inquisition present as?

[] Sword before Book: Noble protectors of the realm

[] Book before Sword: Humble servants of the realm

[] Keep things as is, the citizens of the Western Provinces will have to get used the seeming paradox

[] Write in


OOC: This is only a regular fail so nothing exploded, but it did reveal a bit of brewing trouble in public perception.
 
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