It doesn't have to be coerced tho.

Imagine a situation like this.

Efreeti A- Our position is about to overrun by a shitan flying column. What shall we ever do.

Efreeti B- OH I know, I wish that a completely nonmagical rock hits their ward stone at supersonic speed, starting outside their wards range.

Efreeti A- oh yeah, make sense. Wish granted.

Shitan force explodes.

The force which the wish produces to hit the wardstone cannot be non-magical, it was made by the wish so it will fizzle against the wards. Just adding the words 'non-magical' you your wish does not change that
 
It doesn't have to be coerced tho.

Imagine a situation like this.

Efreeti A- Our position is about to overrun by a shitan flying column. What shall we ever do.

Efreeti B- OH I know, I wish that a completely nonmagical rock hits their ward stone at supersonic speed, starting outside their wards range.

Efreeti A- oh yeah, make sense. Wish granted.

Shitan force explodes.
Wish doesn't work like that, nor do the Genie. It's an inherent aspect of their culture which stretches back untold eons, from before they split into separate tribes. You can't ignore that kind of thing just because it would be convenient.

More plainly, stop trying to game the system. If it was possible, it would have already been done.
 
The force which the wish produces to hit the wardstone cannot be non-magical, it was made by the wish so it will fizzle against the wards. Just adding the words 'non-magical' you your wish does not change that
How about telekinesis then, pick up a rock and throw it.
Wish doesn't work like that, nor do the Genie. It's an inherent aspect of their culture which stretches back untold eons, from before they split into separate tribes. You can't ignore that kind of thing just because it would be convenient.

More plainly, stop trying to game the system. If it was possible, it would have already been done.
How is arguing that our enemies should be stronger than they already are breaking the system. I want the system to succeed so we should iron out all the edge cases right now. If we want a coherent world building, I would want to help iron out the kinks so we have a explanation for any situations.
 
How about telekinesis then, pick up a rock and throw it.

How is arguing that our enemies should be stronger than they already are breaking the system. I want the system to succeed so we should iron out all the edge cases right now. If we want a coherent world building, I would want to help iron out the kinks so we have a explanation for any situations.

You seem to be trying to copy the trick with the control weather unless I am mistaken, the thing is control weather has a vast area and telekinesis does not it is also not self propagating unlike the weather.
 
How about telekinesis then, pick up a rock and throw it.

How is arguing that our enemies should be stronger than they already are breaking the system. I want the system to succeed so we should iron out all the edge cases right now. If we want a coherent world building, I would want to help iron out the kinks so we have a explanation for any situations.
Phlogiston prevents that.

Next question.
 
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You seem to be trying to copy the trick with the control weather unless I am mistaken, the thing is control weather has a vast area and telekinesis does not it is also not self propagating unlike the weather.
No, I mean if a genie had a Boulder and they wished the Boulder flew super fast towards the ward stone. The ward would obviously turn off the spell as it hits, but will it also negate the speed the rock had already picked up??
Phlogeston prevents that.

Next question.
What? The space thing from spell jammer??
 
I don't see how that is relevant here. I am talking about wish accelerating an object. Could you explain how these things interact.
Consider the interaction between Duct Tape and people who intentionally try to break the setting for the sake of having broken it.

You with me so far?

It's a lot like that when you get down to it, just with Phlogiston.
 
I don't see how that is relevant here. I am talking about wish accelerating an object. Could you explain how these things interact.
Wish is limited by the spell effects it can emulate. A Telekinesis spell is maxed out at 375 pounds, IIRC, and the top speed is quite low as well.

The Wish spell is not like a Wish from Disney's Alladin.

Trying to cook up a Wish that exceeds the limitations of other spells is difficult to pull off at all and extremely dangerous. You have to be very careful with your wording and intent not to fuck something up in a really bad way. And even then you can still only do so much. Cranking up a Telekinesis spell powerful enough to hurl a boulder at super sonic speed is just asking for something unfortunate to happen.
 
[X] Discourage, scams or even simply failed banks could harm public confidence far more than they help
 
[X] Discourage, scams or even simply failed banks could harm public confidence far more than they help

Last thing we need is one of these chucklefucks coming up to us with hands raised for a bail out.
 
[X] Discourage, scams or even simply failed banks could harm public confidence far more than they help

Financial acumen goes 'brrrr'!
 
It doesn't have to be coerced tho.

Imagine a situation like this.

Efreeti A- Our position is about to overrun by a shitan flying column. What shall we ever do.

Efreeti B- OH I know, I wish that a completely nonmagical rock hits their ward stone at supersonic speed, starting outside their wards range.

Efreeti A- oh yeah, make sense. Wish granted.

Shitan force explodes.

There's another inherent problem here. You have two hypothetical efreeti talking at each other. Genie wishes can only be granted to mortals. Apprently some efreeti do have mortal slaves theyve broken/brainwashed into "wish bots," but it's both incredibly deamining to somehow rely on a mortal for something and also incredibly risky since how much do you trust your torture to garuntee that slave will do what you want with the cosmic power handed to them?
 
[X] Discourage, scams or even simply failed banks could harm public confidence far more than they help

Ha! No.
 
[X] Discourage, scams or even simply failed banks could harm public confidence far more than they help
Hah! Nope. Even with somehow, every single one of them honest, you do not waste perfectly good foundation by building sandcastles.
 
I would actually vote for it to allow for more competition in the banking sector. How many banks exist right now though?
Having only one bank leads to dead weight loss. Not to mention stagnation in the financial sector.
Less job generation, less innovation and most importantly a high chance of poor customer relations without an incentive to actually attract more customers and fix mistakes.
 
I would actually vote for it to allow for more competition in the banking sector. How many banks exist right now though?
Having only one bank leads to dead weight loss. Not to mention stagnation in the financial sector.
Less job generation, less innovation and most importantly a high chance of poor customer relations without an incentive to actually attract more customers and fix mistakes.

There are other Essosi banks than the Iron Bank, but none in Westeros
 
There are other Essosi banks than the Iron Bank, but none in Westeros

[X] Encourage, more local creditors means more growth for those who would otherwise struggle to get a loan
-[X] Require strict proof of assets to avoid wild speculation and fraud.
-[X] Require all banks to retain assets at the same rate as the Iron bank.
-[X] Have the iron bank work as the primary central bank which other banks buy loans from to set the monthly lending rate.
-[X] Require all banks to have a deposit insurance from the Iron bank in case of theft.
-[X] Random inspections will occur every week to check on the their business dealings.

No private westeros banks is really bad and will show growing resentment at Essosi Favoritism. Hopefully the vote I posted will help ease our fears. Feel free to make better suggestions
 
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Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Jul 29, 2021 at 12:47 PM, finished with 29 posts and 10 votes.

  • [X] Discourage, scams or even simply failed banks could harm public confidence far more than they help
    [X] Encourage, more local creditors means more growth for those who would otherwise struggle to get a loan
    -[X] Require strict proof of assets to avoid wild speculation and fraud.
    -[X] Require all banks to retain assets at the same rate as the Iron bank.
    -[X] Have the iron bank work as the primary central bank which other banks buy loans from to set the monthly lending rate.
    -[X] Require all banks to have a deposit insurance from the Iron bank in case of theft.
    -[X] Random inspections will occur every week to check on the their business dealings.
 
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