I think something needs to be made clear here, for all Viserys prides himself on being proud you can't decide what to do with Lanna at the trial, She is too powerful to judge by the standards of public evidence. You need to make the decison after you lern more about her but before the trial so you can shape the narrative.
Regarding the trials, is Malarys going to be the one prosecuting Tywin at the behest of the Imperium? Will Viserys allow Tywin to have his own legal representation? Would any lawyer even want that job? Imagine being immortilzed on MirrorVision as the lawyer who had to defend Tywin Lannister...
 
Part MMMDCCVIII: Realm's Turning
Realm's Turning

First Day of the Fifth Month 294 AC

As midnight tolled heralding the end of one month and the beginning of another, the battle for the skies over Lannisport was well and truly over and from the deepest depths to the top of its battlements Casterly Rock had surrendered. Not only did you now have the head of the Golden Shields in custody, but also the Lord of the Keep himself, a man as deserving to be fitted with a noose as any you have ever heard of. The Formian Hive had been forced into their caves for now, and the in spite of fact that they had met the attack far more skillfully than any of the mortal lords of Westeros have so far. Managed losses were nonetheless light outside of what Legion doctrine terms 'ablative elements' such as the Black Knights and other simple undead servitors.

The fact that in capturing the man Garin had stumbled over a scroll bearing Infernal Script is worrying, but since no one has actually stopped any Devils you can conclude there is no invasion waiting in the wings. The Westerlands, the Last of the Seven Kingdoms to stand defiant before your authority has been decapitated.

Shadows twist and coil in the harsh glare of the Dauntless lights.

"Garin is about to join us," Dany says absently.

"He hasn't said anything about..." Lya cuts herself off. "Oh, I guess that is a task aligned with his legend. One more dot to add to the board."

"You know, folk have gone mad trying to figure out that shit out?" Maelor asks with a bemused shake of his head. "Heard it from one of the Braavosi fey folk."

"If I had stopped studying every time someone had gone mad from something I would have given up trying to figure out cantrips," Lya snorts. After a long moment she turns to look down at the keep and the city. "We should get someone down there to take over soon. We need to get as many of the Golden Shields surrendered and working sworn in as we can, not just because they are useful, but..."

"These people know deep magic, deep enough to be dangerous if they get desperate," you finish. The Westerlands is likely to be the most fractious province in the realm for quite a while. You did not keep so many existing Houses in place for their competence, some yes for competence and loyalty in equal measure, but for many it was a wager. It would cause more harm to have them gone than the mischief they could get up to if left to their old seats.

In the Westerlands you are unlikely to have those linchpins. There are maps in Sorcerer's Deep marked 'Traitorlands' and only half in jest. Still with the head cut from the snake perhaps it might be worth doing a tour of the remaining western lords. You had found one geased in the Stormlands. How many more might you find here?

What do you do next?

[] Write in

OOC: Short update to get the discussion moving along.
 
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Regarding the trials, is Malarys going to be the one prosecuting Tywin at the behest of the Imperium? Will Viserys allow Tywin to have his own legal representation? Would any lawyer even want that job? Imagine being immortilzed on MirrorVision as the lawyer who had to defend Tywin Lannister...
Viserys would be the judge and Malarys the persecution.

No idea who would represent Tywin. Maybe one of our Falxugons would like to?
 
Updated the list.


🎀 Stormlands 🎀
Penrose - Lord of Parchments - Surrendered immediately.
Trant - Lord of Gallowsgrey - Family poisoned by Lord Garret Trant after warning shot was given. Youngest daughter Anna manifested Warlock powers after interaction with the Fury Usizil.
Mertyns - Lord of Mistwood - Surrendered immediately.
Whitehead - Lord of Weeping Down - Presumably surrendered immediately.
Cefferen- Lord of ??? - Presumably surrendered immediately.
Caron - Lord of Nightsong - Surrendered immediately.
Morrigen - Lord of ??? - Surrendered immediately.
Peasebury - Lord of Poddingfield - Mindcontrolled by Tywin. Enthusiastic support after the spell was broken.
Selmy - Lord of Harvest Hall - Surrendered immediately, but has already shown a lack of compliance with Imperial law and authority. Potential canary.

Crownlands
Rambton - Lord of ??? - Surrendered after warning shot was given.
Sunglass - Lord of Sweetport Sound - Surrendered after warning shot was given.
Follard - Lord of ??? - Surrendered immediately. Contested succession and Maester was hiding invitation to the coronation.
Byrch - Lord of Bywater - Household deposed old lord in favor of his son and handed him over as a prisoner.

🎀 Vale 🎀
Templeton - Ser of Nightstar - Traitor. Head of house died in battle at the Bloody Gate.
Ruthermont - Lord of Red Hill - Surrendered immediately.
Waynwood - Lord of Ironoaks - Surrendered immediately.
Hardyng - Lord of Hearthguard - Surrendered immediately.
Aryn of Gulltown - ??? - Currently riding to the Eyrie to claim the place for himself.
Wydman - Lord of Windwater - Surrendered immediately.
Elesham - Lord of the Paps - Surrendered immediately.
Dutton - Lord of Sheepsford - Traitor. Keep shelled and ruins stormed.
Crayne - Lord of Shrike Hill - Traitor. Outer walls of the keep blown by sappers before surrendering.
Donninger - Lord of Doombell - Traitor. Lord burned by Fiery Darkenbeast ridden by Melisandre. Rest of the keep surrendered.
Waxley - Lord of Wickenden - Surrendered immediately.
Sunderland - Lord of Three Sisters - Surrendered immediately.
Egen - Lord of ??? - Surrendered after warning shot was given.
Hersy - Lord of Newkeep - Dragon banner already on the battlements when our forces arrived.
Lynderly - Lord of Snakewood - Surrendered immediately. Lady of the house committed suicide.
Moore - Lord of Mooreland - Surrendered immediately.
Baelish - "Lord" of some hovel - Line extinct.

🎀 Reach 🎀
Meadows - Lord of Grassfield - Traitor. Keep reduced to rubble. Line presumed extinct.
Roxton - Lord of the Ring - Traitor. Captured by infiltration team.

🎀 Riverlands 🎀
Mallister - Lord of Seaguard - Mindcontrolled by the Lannisters through an intelligent armor. Surrendered upon being freed.
Piper - Lord of Pinkmaiden - Surrendered immediately.
Deddings - Lord of ??? - Surrendered, but unwilling to swear oath. Lord abdicated and accepted exile to a monastery in Andalos. Daughter inherited.
Vance - Lord of Atranta - Surrendered immediately.
Vance - Lord of Wayfarer's Rest - Traitor. Attempted to flee. Keep secured by Imperial Forces. Lord and heir died during attempt to arrest them.

Westerlands
TBD
Here is the most recent updated list. We also know there are many Crownlands rebels in the form of Lannister loyalists...even though we have triumphed. So what is to be done with them?
 
Errr, yes?
We can trust the good boiz Urak.
We didn't just grab a bunch of far-insane-to-let-live Fleshforgers and stitched them together - we had them mulched by Yss, an actual Deity, with an express desire to get a "loyal minion" out of it.

Do you not trust Qyburn, just because he went full-throttle researching Eldritch Shit?
Do you distrust Rina just because she is Winter Fey now?
Do you not trust Mereth because she used to serve Mammon?

Urak falling to mind-wankery wasn't because of their choice, either.
It is us who failed to not send Scholarum groupees working into the Forge and also not tightening up mental defenses enough.
Well, that's IC. OOC that was a crit-fail, is all.


And we've been over why many here don't think she could/should be trustworthy, I won't be bringing another round to those arguments.
I really don't understand why we can't continue this list and we can't have an archmage who served Tywin in the past. All I've seen is calls to kill her without trying to find out if loyalty is possible.
However, I agree with the termination of this discussion. My position is that if you can recruit an archmage, you need to recruit him. Your position is that she should be executed.

Another question is what are our future plans? We took Casterly Rock, and what's next? Are we going to raid the castles of the Westerlands with a call to bow the knee or die, or just send them an ultimatum to come somewhere to take the oath?
 
[X] The Lion is dead
-[X] Check Tywin for hidden magic effects, amulets, and artifacts.
-[X] The quickest way (Brain Spider or Scribe's Binding) to learn from Tywin Lannister's head is to answer the following questions:
--[X] Whether he has plans in place for the event of his capture, such as suicidal orders to mind-controlled lords and mages.
--[X] What they are based on and how to remove mind control from the lords.
--[X] What is the basis and how to remove the magic oath of mages so that they can surrender.
-[X] Further actions of the troops:
--[X] 100 Praetori, the Warstriders and all flesh forged creatures will reinforce the undead currently holding the Gates
--[X] 100 Praetori will stay in Casterly Rock
--[X] 200 Praetori will move to Lannisport and take over its defenses once relevant intel on Geasa has been extracted from Tywin.
-[X] Afterwards, Tywin, Gerion and Lanna will be transferred through the Gate to SD and given into Bloodravens care for mindreading.
-[X] All captured Lannisters are kept unconscious and bottled as soon as possible. This form of captivity will continue until we can remove the Lannister binding to Tywin.
 
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[X] The quickest way (Brain Spider or Scribe's Binding) to learn from Tywin Lannister's head is to answer the following questions:
-[X] Whether he has plans in place for the event of his capture, such as suicidal orders to mind-controlled lords and mages.
-[X] What they are based on and how to remove mind control from the lords.
-[X] What is the basis and how to remove the magic oath of mages so that they can surrender.
Kindly add the following:
-[] 100 Praetori, the Warstriders and all flesh forged creatures will reinforce the undead currently holding the Gates
-[] 100 Praetori will stay in Casterly Rock
-[] 200 Praetori will move to Lannisport and take over its defenses once relevant intel on Geasa has been extracted from Tywin.
-[] Afterwards, Tywin, Gerion and Lanna will be transferred through the Gate to SD and given into Bloodravens care for mindreading.

Some military movements can be set in motion while we dig through his noggin.
 
What'd you have in mind? Inquisition minders? Lesser Phoenixes being direct guardians?
Actual fosterage. The places in question being up for debate. But I was thinking Runestone, Braavos and Volantis. Wildly different upbringing would at least guarantee no singular shared point of contention. Yohn, because he wouldn't raise whichever child we send him for political reasons, but to ensure they don't waste their life getting entangled in that politics.

Braavos and Volantis because it's so disconnected from anyone with a vested interest in those kids.

If not Runestone, for the aforementioned reasoning, then we could always make one of them our wards (which incidentally implicitly places one of them in our direct control if for whatever reason that becomes relevant).
 
Realm's Turning

First Day of the Fifth Month 294 AC

As midnight arrived, heralding the end of one month and the beginning of another, the battle for the skies over Lannisport was well and truly over and from the deepest depths to the top of its battlements, Casterly Rock had surrendered. Not only did you now have the head of the Golden Shields in custody, but also the Lord of the Keep himself, a man as deserving to be fitted with a noose as any you have ever heard of. The Formian Hive had been forced into their caves for now, and that in spite of fact that they had met the attack far more skillfully than any of the mortal lords of Westeros have so far. Managed losses were nonetheless light outside of what Legion doctrine terms 'ablative elements' such as the Black Knights and other simple undead servitors.

The fact that in capturing the man, Garin had stumbled over a scroll bearing Infernal script is worrying, but since no one has actually stopped any Devils, you can conclude there is no invasion waiting in the wings. The Westerlands, the Last of the Seven Kingdoms to stand defiant before your authority, has been decapitated.

Shadows twist and coil in the harsh glare of the Dauntless lights.

"Garin is about to join us," Dany says absently.

"He hasn't said anything about..." Lya cuts herself off. "Oh, I guess that is a task aligned with his legend. One more dot to add to the board."

"You know, folk have gone mad trying to figure out that shit?" Maelor asks with a bemused shake of his head. "Heard it from one of the Braavosi fey folk."

"If I had stopped studying every time someone had gone mad from something, I would have given up trying to figure out cantrips," Lya snorts. After a long moment, she turns to look down at the keep and the city. "We should get someone down there to take over soon. We need to get as many of the Golden Shields surrendered, working, and sworn in as we can, not just because they are useful, but..."

"These people know deep magic, deep enough to be dangerous if they get desperate," you finish. The Westerlands is likely to be the most fractious province in the realm for quite a while. You did not keep so many existing Houses in place for their competence. Some, yes, for competence and loyalty in equal measure, but for many it was a wager. It would cause more harm to have them gone than the mischief they could get up to if left to their old seats.

In the Westerlands you are unlikely to have those linchpins. There are maps in Sorcerer's Deep marked 'Traitorlands' and only half in jest. Still, with the head cut from the snake perhaps it might be worth doing a tour of the remaining western lords. You had found one geased in the Stormlands. How many more might you find here?

What do you do next?

[] Write in

OOC: Short update to get the discussion moving along.
Made a few additional edits to the chapter, DP.
 
Actual fosterage. The places in question being up for debate. But I was thinking Runestone, Braavos and Volantis. Wildly different upbringing would at least guarantee no singular shared point of contention. Yohn, because he wouldn't raise whichever child we send him for political reasons, but to ensure they don't waste their life getting entangled in that politics.

Braavos and Volantis because it's so disconnected from anyone with a vested interest in those kids.

If not Runestone, for the aforementioned reasoning, then we could always make one of them our wards (which incidentally implicitly places one of them in our direct control if for whatever reason that becomes relevant).
I wonder if Ned Stark would like to foster one? Maybe Tommen? He wouldn't be a replacement Robb by any means, but it's a good solid place for a kid to grow up while staying well grounded.

Yohn Royce for Myrcella maybe? He did good by that Sansa in the short time she was there.

Riz'Neth for Joffrey? :p

[X] Sapphon
 
On the Subject of Retcons and why I currently have a headache
OK I need to address this as best I can so we can get this out of the way. I know we have a history here and to be honest I know I am responsible for the bad feelings as well as the good. I think that @Artemis1992 has made a very good point about me being too retcon happy to just make the bad feelings go away and instead making things worse because it subverts the normal way for the players to interact with the quest which is to say by voting. We have had more spirited debate on the motivations of that one nameless praetorian whose doctrine did not in the moment even consider than we had on votes and that is just wrong. I wish we could all channel that energy into discussions of 'what do do next' rather than relitigating old patterns of thread voting that go back to Bronn or something. It is just not sustainable for me to have to get every detail perfect.

Sorry if the above is a little rambly i needed to get it off my chest.
For the record, a significant part of why I'm rather vexed by how things with Lanna are going is that it's giving me massive flashbacks to the Conclave.

And, also for the record, yes, I'm still bitter about that.
 
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