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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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I don't care about Lanna. I do care about the other Golden Shield mages. A vast majority of victims who need a proper education

edit: correction. I am on the fence regarding Lanna. Not so much about the mages
 
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can we just actually get the info from her and Tywins brains and talk to her before we continue with this discussion?

we all know that not able to be loyal = death/book and Loyal = maybe high lvl PC if we take that risk or maybe we just kill her idk.

we actually need the information before we continue beyond that tho as we don't know her disposition
 
Artemis1992 said:
Closest example is Melisandre.
I mean, we couldn't trust her at all in the beginning and now we can do so somewhat, because we have an accord with her god.
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That was also a calculated gamble on our part trying to strike at R'hllor by subverting his most powerful Cleric on the Prime Material.

We knowingly took a huge risk with her there, but we deemed it acceptable due to her being one of the very few way for striking at R'hllor in some fashion.
 
One Autumn Leaf said:
I don't care about Lanna. I do care about the other Golden Shield mages. A vast majority of victims who need a proper education
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Free the mages while keeping them under Inquisition watch. They're the actual victims here.
Azel said:
That was also a calculated gamble on our part trying to strike at R'hllor by subverting his most powerful Cleric on the Prime Material.

We knowingly took a huge risk with her there, but we deemed it acceptable due to her being one of the very few way for striking at R'hllor in some fashion.
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I remember at the time DP told us we could get a mythic rank if we managed to turn her into a fullblown heretic.

There are times when I ever so slightly regret coming to an understanding with R'hllor, but overall he's been great.
 
Azel said:
Ok. Look. You had a Praetori cherry-tap her with a bolt instead of firing something more lethal at them. Afterwards, they survived standing in a clump of Lannister forces trying to defend her unconscious body and no one got the bright idea to do what their training taught them and to throw a bomb at them. She should have died there from splash damage alone. It's even more egregious with Gerion since the Warstriders would have fired at him with cannons at that point.

It's pretty obvious that you intentionally spared them and this was not random chance.
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That is actually a fair point. I knew she was at low HP so I had him shoot a bolt. It also felt more dramatic in the narrative but if you guys want the Praetori to shoot her with something else you are free to do so. To be entirely honest with you I have no horse in this race. My notes are filled with post-conquest conflicts and wars in which Lanna would be a sidenote.

To anyone wondering if she lived because I value the PoV Character I don't. You may have noticed but I have a lot of those. :V
 
Azel said:
If she can't be trusted to be loyal she dies. Either we find a reason to find her guilty, or we have Garin finish what he started.
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I have an idea to make her a none threat should she for some reason manage to evade execution , we take away her shadow as much of it as we can without outright killing her draining her experience points reducing her back to level one or if possible to a commoner NPC , the shadow of an archmage would make for a powerful artifact component , same treatment for the other Lanister mages who's loyalty we can't sure of enough to trust but not enough to give the benefit of the doubt
 
Duesal said:
Absolutely not. Ser Barristan was a martial PC who we could safely ignore. Lanna is an archmage. Either she's recruited or she dies, and she's too untrustworthy to be recruited.
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Alright maybe not just let her go if she is just untrustworthy. But I still refuse to execute her unless she has done any true crimes. For example if she participated to any enslavement of the will or the soul of anyone before Tywin has maybe enslaved her or taken her children hostage, then that's execution worthy for me. And we still don't know if she has been under a geiss or spell or hostage situation, I'll wait for more information before deciding on her judgement.
 
DragonParadox said:
That is actually a fair point. I knew she was at low HP so I had him shoot a bolt. It also felt more dramatic in the narrative but if you guys want the Praetori to shoot her with something else you are free to do so. To be entirely honest with you I have no horse in this race. My notes are filled with post-conquest conflicts and wars in which Lanna would be a sidenote.
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Let's not murder her because she is still useful. I still want everything she knows and I mean everything. If she has maps about Valyria I want that. If she has magic rituals I want that. Hell if she knows how Shair magic works I want that because it will be useful for our own spell pool
 
Alucard Bellsing said:
Alright maybe not just let her go if she is just untrustworthy. But I still refuse to execute her unless she has done any true crimes. For example if she participated to any enslavement of the will or the soul of anyone before Tywin has maybe enslaved her or taken her children hostage, then that's execution worthy for me. And we still don't know if she has been under a geiss or spell or hostage situation, I'll wait for more information before deciding on her judgement.
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Or maybe just her being too powerful to live while also being an enemy who hates us? Even with there being plenty of actual just cause to kill her, her being too dangerous is reason enough.
One Autumn Leaf said:
Let's not murder her because she is still useful. I still want everything she knows and I mean everything. If she has maps about Valyria I want that. If she has magic rituals I want that. Hell if she knows how Shair magic works I want that because it will be useful for our own spell pool
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Bookify her, read through the book and get everything useful, then destroy the book and execute her.

Same with Gerion.
 
Melisandre has been a delight.

Skynet likes her, too, for some reason. I've never tried to reach it her name, but it never autocorrupts it, while every time I use 'Tywin' it tries to change it to 'train'.
 
mmgaballah said:
I have an idea to make her a none threat should she for some reason manage to evade execution , we take away her shadow as much of it as we can without outright killing her draining her experience points reducing her back to level one or if possible to a commoner NPC , the shadow of an archmage would make for a powerful artifact component , same treatment for the other Lanister mages who's loyalty we can't sure of enough to trust but not enough to give the benefit of the doubt
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That's pretty likely to make her resent us with undying passion, since doing so also takes some memories and other things from her. Level drains ain't a clean process.
And then she would have a big motive, drive and the ability to reach high levels again. To say nothing about that huge narrative of the fallen hero hanging over her head and providing additional plot armor.

Nope. Don't be fancy. Just slit her throat, curse her to prevent resurrection and then toss the remnants to the forge.
 
ryuan said:
I prefer her alive because a book or a living being gives better intel, that's about it.
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Intel isn't an issue.

I was also going to push for bookifying her and ripping all her knowledge out of her head before executing her.
Azel said:
That's pretty likely to make her resent us with undying passion, since doing so also takes some memories and other things from her. Level drains ain't a clean process.
And then she would have a big motive, drive and the ability to reach high levels again. To say nothing about that huge narrative of the fallen hero hanging over her head and providing additional plot armor.

Nope. Don't be fancy. Just slit her throat, curse her to prevent resurrection and then toss the remnants to the forge.
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Short, sweet, and simple.
 
Duesal said:
Or maybe just her being too powerful to live while also being an enemy who hates us? Even with there being plenty of actual just cause to kill her, her being too dangerous is reason enough.

Bookify her, read through the book and get everything useful, then destroy the book and execute her.

Same with Gerion.
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can you stop saying she hates us before we have even talked to her once without her being under mind control please? maybe she does maybe she's smart and wants to live we don't know yet
 
Give her a trial. See what we can glean from her and if, and I mean if, she seems to be genuinely capable of loyalty to us (Press X to Doubt) then and only then do we even consider it. If we are killing her we make that shit permanent.
 
egoo said:
Ugh.
I am glad we havent lost much with this, but damn am I not happy they survived.

Can we please not pokemon over them? Pretty please?
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You fear Pokémon. But let me instead propose a different entertainment franchise.

Judge Judy Westeros edition!

But seriously, I'd love a bunch of trials that culminate in Tywin. Is it likely due to security concerns? No. Do I still hope? Yes
 
Azel said:
That's pretty likely to make her resent us with undying passion, since doing so also takes some memories and other things from her. Level drains ain't a clean process.
And then she would have a big motive, drive and the ability to reach high levels again. To say nothing about that huge narrative of the fallen hero hanging over her head and providing additional plot armor.

Nope. Don't be fancy. Just slit her throat, curse her to prevent resurrection and then toss the remnants to the forge.
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Yep.

How does the saying go: "Never inflict a small harm to your enemy"?

That wouldn't be a small harm. That's like giving them the equivalent to roadrash with a power sander, then dipping them in broken glass and rock salt.
 
Rovos said:
can you stop saying she hates us before we have even talked to her once without her being under mind control please? maybe she does maybe she's smart and wants to live we don't know yet
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No, because there's no reason she'd be happy with us planning to utterly destroy her House, along with confiscating every bit of wealth and land they own and barring anyone bearing the name from power. That is not the kind of thing someone raised as a noble will just brush off and move on from.

Her being even neutral to us after that is wishful thinking at best. You're hoping for too much on that front.
 
Goldfish said:
Yep.

How does the saying go: "Never inflict a small harm to your enemy"?

That wouldn't be a small harm. That's like giving them the equivalent to roadrash with a power sander, then dipping them in broken glass and rock salt.
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The image in my mind is right after Obi-Wan cuts up Anakin, and the latter is burning up in the magma.


Obi-serys: But I didn't do nothing! Just slight de-levelling, as a precaution, you'll be fine!

Darth Lanader:
 
/fingers crossed that Garin ninja'ing his way through Casterly Rock like a murdershadow earns him his first Mythic Rank
 
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