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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Tomcost said:
... we are making a play out of this. There is no way we are not shoving this into the Lannister's faces.
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There's enough material here for a whole series, especially if we expand it out to include more of the nobility. We can start out sometime shortly after Robert became king and explore the people around him and how awful 90% of them are. Throw in some flashbacks to establish motivation, then narrow in on our "protagonists" as the characters start dropping like flies.

We don't want to give away too many secrets though; so we should mess with things like troop numbers, equipment, and travel time so that you need to work a little harder than watching reruns to learn stuff about our various military actions. If we plaster over inconsistencies with gratuitous sex and violence no one will really notice the difference.

Then we top it off with a cutesy name drawn from a popular saying to make it stick in the mind. I'm feeling Games of the Throne.
 
BronzeTongue said:
There's enough material here for a whole series, especially if we expand it out to include more of the nobility. We can start out sometime shortly after Robert became king and explore the people around him and how awful 90% of them are. Throw in some flashbacks to establish motivation, then narrow in on our "protagonists" as the characters start dropping like flies.

We don't want to give away too many secrets though; so we should mess with things like troop numbers, equipment, and travel time so that you need to work a little harder than watching reruns to learn stuff about our various military actions. If we plaster over inconsistencies with gratuitous sex and violence no one will really notice the difference.

Then we top it off with a cutesy name drawn from a popular saying to make it stick in the mind. I'm feeling Games of the Throne.
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Please, I can only embody so much disappointment.
 
BronzeTongue said:
There's enough material here for a whole series, especially if we expand it out to include more of the nobility. We can start out sometime shortly after Robert became king and explore the people around him and how awful 90% of them are. Throw in some flashbacks to establish motivation, then narrow in on our "protagonists" as the characters start dropping like flies.

We don't want to give away too many secrets though; so we should mess with things like troop numbers, equipment, and travel time so that you need to work a little harder than watching reruns to learn stuff about our various military actions. If we plaster over inconsistencies with gratuitous sex and violence no one will really notice the difference.

Then we top it off with a cutesy name drawn from a popular saying to make it stick in the mind. I'm feeling Games of the Throne.
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There is a problem, this is too big. This is a work for Xor and Azema, not for Buttercup
 
Crake said:
Please, I can only embody so much disappointment.
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You're right, that could end up flopping hard in the late game if we run out of ideas.

Instead we could reframe the whole thing as a broken man trying to seek justice for a terrible crime, and how that lead him to dark places and darker allies. Tightening up the theme like this would make it easier to arrange all the sub arcs and character pieces into a coherent whole.

Naming that would be tricky though, but I think one image of punitive justice and another of the enemy he hated so much it destroyed him would be particularly evocative. How does Dungeons and Dragons sound?
 
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@BronzeTongue I have a better idea, a bit of a what-if, kinda sorta.

A man with a strong, lithe and handsome and regal brother, a tormented man with an eye-centric genetic abnormality, a pale complexion and low melanin content hair.

He possesses a reputation of ill-repute, but everyone knows him to be knowledgeable--too knowledgeable--and for practicing dark magics.

But though he has the face and background of a villain, he is a hero after his own measure... we call it Dragonlance.

Brynden: "I just came out of this tree, and I feel really attacked right now."
 
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Crake said:
@BronzeTongue I have a better idea, a bit of a what-if, kinda sorta.

A man with a strong, lithe and handsome and regal brother, a tormented man with an eye-centric genetic abnormality, a pale complexion and low melanin content hair.

He possesses a reputation ill-repute, but everyone knows him to be knowledgeable--too knowledgeable--and for practicing dark magics.

But though he has the face and background of a villain, he is a hero after his own measure... we call it Dragonlance.

Brynden: "I just came out of this tree, and I feel really attacked right now."
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...I'll take 5 seasons and a spin off about his minions. :V
 
ryuan said:
If rumors are correct then we can just ship Viserys with Azema and we already have the Wheel of Time done.
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Not enough nervous tics to be accurate by any measure. And not nearly enough actual romantic interests.

By my measure, either Viserys moves around too much for them to get close enough to try, or people find Viserys a bit too weird to approach.

Or some combination of the two, @DragonParadox was never forthcoming.

We did get one magister's daughter who wasn't opposed to the idea, but that's social ladder climbing, not romance, therefore doesn't count.

Edit: Okay, to be fair, Valaena also sometimes has vivid day dreams, but who wouldn't, Viserys looks and sounds like a combination of hot British movie stars.
 
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That's why I listed Azema, there's probably others like her that are sighing about Viserys like now.

I mean, his tastes were always unique, and even the normal-looking Lya ended up becoming a Hivemind eventually.
 
ryuan said:
That's why I listed Azema, there's probably others like her that are sighing about Viserys like now.

I mean, his tastes were always unique, and even the normal-looking Lya ended up becoming a Hivemind eventually.
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Azema is probably the closest to having a shot. Which isn't to say a good shot, but there's actual attraction there.
 
But does Azema actually feel atracted to Viserys? I thought that she is just messing with him

And I mean if she feels attracted outside the godly levels of charisma that might just let us enthrall any muggle
 
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Am I the only who noticed?
Really?

Huh.

*quietly starts up the propaganda machinery*

Don't mind me. Just getting out the pneumatic press to get the Lannister name deeper into the mud.
 
ryuan said:
If rumors are correct then we can just ship Viserys with Azema and we already have the Wheel of Time done.
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Someone did propose that at the last meeting of the writing team, but they had an abrupt need for him in some department actually interested in snubbing the Empress in a national broadcast.

I heard he stepped out into a crosswalk too soon shortly after that and got run over by a passing fireball, which then backed up and hit him another few times. The lawmen investigated, but closed the case due to a lack of actionable evidence.
 
Tomcost said:
But does Azema actually feel atracted to Viserys? I thought that she is just messing with him

And I mean if she feels attracted putside the godly levels of charisma that might just let us enthrall any muggle
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Azema is basically a sex elemental, to a lesser degree than the actual real deal, but basically, yeah. There's attraction, which specifically does not guarantee romance or even affection.

Though out of everyone's minions*, Viserys and Azema probably display the most genuine warmth that isn't strictly professional or distant, constrained by layers of social protocol, since she feels comfortable enough to act naturally and tease him despite how big of a faux pas that is.

*A list which includes anyone but close family or Companions and those who don't have to follow strict protocol in the first place, basically.
 
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Azel said:
...

Am I the only who noticed?
Really?

Huh.

*quietly starts up the propaganda machinery*

Don't mind me. Just getting out the pneumatic press to get the Lannister name deeper into the mud.
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Are you talking about the hint that Robert's wine might have been poisoned, possibly by Lancel? That's what I thought, anyway. Otherwise, I'm lost.
 
Crake said:
Part of me feels she likes this more than anything else.

I'm fairly certain Azema feels it's "just not the same" if she's teasing anyone but Viserys, the one she has actual chemistry with but no chance of landing, thus no judgement whatsoever for her behavior.
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The fact that she can do so in front of the companions, get away with it, and that they find it as amusing as her, including Lya I dare say, only makes it better
 
Goldfish said:
Are you talking about the hunt that Robert's wine might have been poisoned, possibly by Lancel? That's what I thought, anyway. Otherwise, I'm lost.
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It would be ironic if Lancel didn't have anything to do with Robert dying ITTL.

I mean, what are the chances a Lannister was in the area, but he wasn't trusted enough to do the deed?

Because he was still too decent a person (and younger and thus less likely to be a seduction target).

Edit: By the way, Lancel is 12 years old right now. Bit of a "huh" moment, for us who have to compare the show and books to the current date and state of various characters.
 
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