Yeah, running around a lot like headless chickens doing ultimately pointless busywork means we are "wasting resources" on irrelevant bullshit.

Except we've barely focused on her at all, in fact Viserys did some house calls to a bunch of Lords and got more work done in a month than most people get done in a year in terms of diplomacy.
 
Yeah, running around a lot like headless chickens doing ultimately pointless busywork means we are "wasting resources" on irrelevant bullshit.

Except we've barely focused on her at all, in fact Viserys did some house calls to a bunch of Lords and got more work done in a month than most people get done in a year in terms of diplomacy.
Hmm, which one you're responding to?

The second sentence applies to so many people it's hard to keep track off.
 
Vote closed.

Sorry for the wait guys, being sick even mildly so puts a hell of a dent in my productivity.
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Sep 15, 2020 at 11:21 AM, finished with 112 posts and 8 votes.

  • [X] Marwyn Debriefing
    -[X] Everything he has on the Lannisters' plans & schemes & assets
    -[X] Everything he has on the Citadels plans & schemes & assets
    -[X] All the supernatural factions Marwyn has encountered and what he knows about them (glossing over everything we already know).
    -[X] Go over the lore he is adding to the Library
    -[X] Once debriefing is done, get an idea of his abilities (get rough approximations of his charactersheet) and his preferences on whether he wishes to be a researcher, a Scholarum teacher, or a battle mage. Make it clear he can mix and match these duties if he pleases, like Teana often does.
    --[X] Get an idea of his companions' abilities and where they can best be put to use
 
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I got some DELICIOUS INFLUENZA shot up in my arm, because working in a medical system, even peripherally, suuucks!
 
The kyton hummed thoughtfully, a multi-tonal sound that was the mark of the constant tinkering with her voice box. "No, it is not analogous. The feeling you are describing is much more cerebral and abstract. Disgust, such as many creations of the flesh can invoke in the narrow-minded, is at its core a impression of the hind brain that something is not edible. How and why that poisons so much of their impressions of the world, including of things they would never be expected to eat, is hard for me to judge."
The reason it effect things we don't consider eating to start with, is probably because disgust, is more about things we think can taint our food, a tree is not at all edible, but it don't invoke disgust, because adding wood to our food will not taint the food, as the wood can just be fished out, whereas things that invoke disgust, do so, because mere proximity to them can taint food, so disgust tell us this is disgusting and should be disposed of as soon as possible, because if we just ignored it, it might taint what we actually want to eat.

Disgust isn't the impression that something is not edible, it's the impression that something, can make otherwise edible thing inedible.
"Then you'd just be moving the desert somewhere else," Vee says from the other side of the table. She had already finished, as always. A childhood with the specter of hunger hanging over it does not a slow eater make, even though she had long since mastered enough table manners not to stand out at the high table.

"Not if you build the system large enough. There should be enough water in the system to provide adequate rainfall..."

By the time dinner is done you had not reached any sort of conclusion on the feasibility of controlling all weather, but it had been an interesting conversation just the same.
Simpler to just build walled gardens to farm, aqueducts to water the gardens, and make some Decanters of Endless water, or other water generating items to fill the aqueducts.

The walls provide a barrier against the wind, which prevent moisture from being stolen by it, and the aqueducts of course provide the water.

Sure it's a grand project to turn a whole desert into walled gardens, but it's not exactly complicated just grand in scale, so it's something that can just be done, with sufficient application of Titans tools.

Each farm being its own walled garden, also make it much harder for things like the blight that just hit to spread, fires are contained to burning down a single garden, and animals have a hard time getting in and stealing the crops.

The major reason deserts can't be farmed, is the soil has been turned into dust, and even if you provide new soil, the dust will quickly blow over the soil, diluting it and turning it into more dust.

In a walled farm dust aren't blown in, which mean as long as you have a source of water, you can farm regardless of it being in the middle of the desert.

Even if you can't provide much water, if you separate a desert into small walled areas, plant life will begin to thrive better, as shelter from wind and dust, let the plants lose much less of what water they have.

We don't need to wall in the whole desert at once either, it's not like we have people to farm it all anyway, but the easiest way to turn desert into farmland, is probably by walling it in.

Not that we need it at the moment, we have plenty of empty land that needs less effort to develop.
 
Winning vote
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Sep 15, 2020 at 11:21 AM, finished with 112 posts and 8 votes.

  • [X] Marwyn Debriefing
    -[X] Everything he has on the Lannisters' plans & schemes & assets
    -[X] Everything he has on the Citadels plans & schemes & assets
    -[X] All the supernatural factions Marwyn has encountered and what he knows about them (glossing over everything we already know).
    -[X] Go over the lore he is adding to the Library
    -[X] Once debriefing is done, get an idea of his abilities (get rough approximations of his charactersheet) and his preferences on whether he wishes to be a researcher, a Scholarum teacher, or a battle mage. Make it clear he can mix and match these duties if he pleases, like Teana often does.
    --[X] Get an idea of his companions' abilities and where they can best be put to use

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Part MMMDCXLVI: Chains of Gold
Chains of Gold

Twenty Ninth Day of the Second Month 294 AC

Archmaester Marwyn takes his seat with the barest amount of formality required of him and not a hint of hesitation to the motion, obviously untroubled by what you may have learned of his comings and goings this past month, though some of them might have been troubling to a more cautious liege. According the city's Office of Land, he had acquired a modest townhouse with a large basement that could easily be made into an arcane laboratory and then proceeded to borrow books from the Scholarum and acquire reagents through Silver Serpent middlemen from Armun Kelisk.

For anyone in possession of both lists, which you assume he had wanted to make public, the former archmaester's interests are obvious if a peculiar combination; the history of the deep past, the Age of Dawn most of all, astrology, and weather working. The pieces are not hard to put together with your mind turning to the farthest North in the wake of Rina's transformation. Understanding, perhaps even reversing, the unbalancing of the seasons long ago. You cannot fault the man for his ambition, though you wish he would express himself within the Scholarum's structures rather than in private workings. The Citadel would not have encouraged seeking collaboration as a first reaction in such matters, that much you know from Qyburn. And unlike Qyburn, you are not in the possession of a treasure beyond price where his interests are concerned.

"I assume you can guess why you have been summoned here?" you ask with a wry smile that stops just short of being friendly, congenial you would call it. This is not a man who would trust fast friends.

"You wish to know what I know about the Citadel, about the Lannisters, and all other lore I possess, yes," he replies. His own smile may not add much charm to his battered face, but there is a slyness in his eyes you appreciate. "I have spoken to others you recruited under similar circumstances."

"Well then, I would hate to be predictable. Start with the Lannisters." Your jest startles a laugh from him.

"Not much like your father are you, Your Grace?"

"I will take that as the compliment it is no doubt intended to be by anyone who had the misfortune to meet Aerys Targaryen, Second of his Name," you reply, making a mental note to never ask Marwyn to to play the diplomat.

"About the Lannisters then, Lanna," He pauses a moment, collecting his thoughts. "She was my student once, or near enough as to make no difference. I still spoke to her as one mage to another as recently as half a year ago. I fear she is too much a creature of her birth and standing, for all the streak of rebelliousness that sent her into the wide world. She heeds Lord Lannister because she does not trust herself, does not trust her husband. This is not the blind fear of the grey sheep, who see magic as a flame burning away the world rather than part of it. How could it be?"

"But?" you prompt. You cannot deny that of all the Lannister plans, you have been most curious as to what could keep the new lord and Lady of Castamere wedded to Tywin's cause. They must know it's hopeless by now.

"There are checks on a lord's power, his vassals, his people, his neighbors. There are no checks upon a sorcerer lord's, or so she believes after having seen the wreck of Valyira. A system that hinges upon a single lever shall break upon that lever, after having learned of the Empire That Was before all Empires." The mage's gaze pierces yours measuring. "If an empire built upon Heaven's own foundations could break with it, then why not one built upon the powers of dragons?"

There is something to the tone that makes you suspect it is not only Lanna's question being asked. Marwyn will serve you for his own reasons, that you do not doubt, but this is a man who wishes to understand where he stands. And perhaps one who is not wholly bereft of subtlety.

What do you reply?

[] Write in

OOC: Not a lot of substance to this chapter I'm afraid. My cold just got worse today (still no fever though). Hopefully it's nothing, but I'm starting to seriously consider getting a test tomorrow, just to be sure, and to get a doctor to look at whatever the hell this is if it's not that. Apologies for getting all this stuff here, I know people come here to relax not stress about the pandemic.
 
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OOC: Not a lot of substance to this chapter I'm afraid. My cough just got worse today (still no fever though). Hopefully it's nothing but I'm starting to seriously consider getting a test tomorrow, just to be sure, and to get a doctor to look at whatever the hell this is if it's not that. Apologies for getting all this stuff here, I know people come here to relax not stress about the pandemic.
Seriously, just take a day or two off.
 
Chains of Gold

Twenty Ninth Day of the Second Month 294 AC

Archmaester Marwyn takes his seat with the barest amount of formality required of him and not a hint of hesitation to the motion, obviously untroubled by what you may have learned of his comings and goings this past month, though some of them might have been troubling to a more cautious liege. According the city's Office of Land, he had acquired a modest townhouse with a large basement that could easily be made into an arcane laboratory and then proceeded to borrow books from the Scholarum and acquire reagents through Silver Serpent middlemen from Armun Kelisk.

For anyone in possession of both lists, which you assume he had wanted to make public, the former maesters' interests are obvious, if a peculiar combination; the history of the deep past, the Age of Dawn most of all, astrology, and weather working. The pieces are not hard to put together with your mind turning to the farthest North in the wake of Rina's transformation. Understanding, perhaps even reversing, the unbalancing of the seasons long ago. You cannot fault the man for his ambition, though you wish he would express himself within the Scholarum's structures rather than in private workings. The Citadel would not have encouraged seeking collaboration as a first reaction in such matters, that much you know from Qyburn. And unlike Qyburn, you are not in the possession of a treasure beyond price where his interests are concerned.

"I assume you can guess why you have been summoned here?" you ask with a wry smile that stops just short of being friendly, congenial you would call it. This is not a man who would trust fast friends.

"You wish to know what I know about the Citadel, about the Lannisters, and all other lore I possess, yes," he replies. His own smile may not add much charm to his battered face, but there is a slyness in his eye you appreciate. "I have spoken to others you recruited under similar circumstances."

"Well then, I would hate to be predictable. Ssart with the Lannisters." Your jest startles a laugh from him.

"Not much like your father are you, Your Grace?"

"I will take that as the compliment it is no doubt intended to be by anyone who had the misfortune to meet Aerys Targaryen, Second of his Name," you reply, making a mental note to never ask Marwyn to to play the diplomat.

"About the Lannisters then, Lanna," He pauses a moment, collecting his thoughts. "She was my student once, or near enough as to make no difference. I still spoke to her as one mage to another as recently as half a year ago. I fear she is too much a creature of her birth and standing for all the streak of rebelliousness that sent her into the wide world. She heeds Lord Lannister because she does not trust herself, does not trust her husband. This is not the blind fear of the grey sheep, who see magic as a flame burning away the world rather than part of it. How could it be?"

"But?" you prompt. You cannot deny that of all the Lannister plans, you have been most curious as to what could keep the new lord and Lady of Castamere welded to Tywin's cause. They must know it's hopeless by now.

"There are checks on a lord's power, his vassals, his people, his neighbors. There are no checks upon a sorcerer lord's, or so she believes after having seen the wreck of Valyira. A system that hinges upon a single lever shall break upon that lever, after having learned of the Empire That Was before all Empires." The mage's gaze pierces yours measuring. "If an empire built upon heaven's own foundations could break with it, then why not one built upon the powers of dragons?"

There is something to the tone that makes you suspect it is not only Lanna's question being asked. Marwyn will serve you for his own reasons, that you do not doubt, but this is a man who wishes to understand where he stands. And perhaps one who is not wholly bereft of subtlety.

What do you reply?

[] Write in

OOC: Not a lot of substance to this chapter I'm afraid. My cold just got worse today (still no fever though). Hopefully it's nothing, but I'm starting to seriously consider getting a test tomorrow, just to be sure, and to get a doctor to look at whatever the hell this is if it's not that. Apologies for getting all this stuff here, I know people come here to relax not stress about the pandemic.
Here's an edited version of the chapter, DP.

Please take care of yourself, dude. You can't take any chances with COVID-19.
 
Good night guys. Probably no updates tomorrow but I'll keep you posted on the state of my health at least if I do end up having to go to hospital and out of communication.
 
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Well logically because there is no other alternatives. Heaven lays broken and sundered, and unless she wants to kneel to infernal overlords, our system of governance is the only alternative.

That and all nations strength is measured by their enemies, and so far we have a very good tracks record. Defeated the grasping tendrils of the Deep Ones, Infernals, Demons, Undead, Fey, etc. Now compare that to our competitors, I think Tywin is still dealing with the Deep Ones?
 
"There are checks on a lord's power, his vassals, his people, his neighbors, there are no checks upon a sorcerer lord's, or so she believes after having seen the wreck of Valyira. A system that hinges upon a single leaver shall break upon that leaver, after having learned of the Empire That was before all Empires." The mage's gaze pierces yours measuring. "If an empire built upon heaven's own foundations could break with it than why not one built upon the powers of dragons?"

There is something to the tone that makes you suspect it is not only Lanna's question being asked. Marwyn will serve you for his own reasons, that you do not doubt, but this is a man who wishes to understand where he stands. And perhaps one who is not wholly bereft of subtlety.
It's not really clear what checks to a lord's power he's referring to.

Martial might? We might not be the strongest thing around but we're not exactly pushovers, and we've got a Trophy Room to prove it. Legal power? We are an absolute monarch, but we also take care not to overstep when it isn't necessary.

I'm not sure what point he's trying to make here. Is he giving into some nihilistic view of what's even the point of the Imperium if even Heaven ended up falling?
 
It's not really clear what checks to a lord's power he's referring to.

Martial might? We might not be the strongest thing around but we're not exactly pushovers, and we've got a Trophy Room to prove it. Legal power? We are an absolute monarch, but we also take care not to overstep when it isn't necessary.

I'm not sure what point he's trying to make here. Is he giving into some nihilistic view of what's even the point of the Imperium if even Heaven ended up falling?

I think he is asking what happens if Viserys and the Companions are killed/out of action.

Can the Empire stand on it's own merits or will it fall to pieces?

IMO the same worry the Sealord has in that a lot hinges on the Empires Champions rather than it's institutions.

Which is very much a valid worry.

There is also the worry what happens if magic wanes again. Can the Empire function without it even if lessened?
 
I think he is asking what happens if Viserys and the Companions are killed/out of action.

Can the Empire stand on it's own merits or will it fall to pieces?

IMO the same worry the Sealord has in that a lot hinges on the Empires Champions rather than it's institutions.

Which is very much a valid worry.

There is also the worry what happens if magic wanes again. Can the Empire function without it even if lessened?
Well bluntly, the answer is no, the Imperium is fucked if Viserys and the Companions are killed purely because whatever killed them won't stop with just them, and will be powerful enough to curbstomp the rest of the empire.

The infrastructure won't just vanish if magic dies (except for the sewer systems which rely on purification). Stuff like roads and bridges and heavily fertilized volcanic soil is sticking around.

As for institutions the Inquisition, the Lawmen, the Diplomats, etc, all of them won't just fall apart, but without the champions at the helm they're not going to survive. We're all well aware of how outnumbered we are by the things that want to eat our souls. It's mostly luck that we aren't swarmed yet.
 
I mean, Imperii fall eventually, that's the march of time and all that stuff.

But ours will propably last longer than most mortal-build realms, unless we get really unlucky over the next few years.
 
OOC: Not a lot of substance to this chapter I'm afraid. My cough just got worse today (still no fever though). Hopefully it's nothing but I'm starting to seriously consider getting a test tomorrow, just to be sure, and to get a doctor to look at whatever the hell this is if it's not that. Apologies for getting all this stuff here, I know people come here to relax not stress about the pandemic.
Get yourself some sleep. We can wait a few days for updates no problem.

It's not really clear what checks to a lord's power he's referring to.

Martial might? We might not be the strongest thing around but we're not exactly pushovers, and we've got a Trophy Room to prove it. Legal power? We are an absolute monarch, but we also take care not to overstep when it isn't necessary.

I'm not sure what point he's trying to make here. Is he giving into some nihilistic view of what's even the point of the Imperium if even Heaven ended up falling?
Thats a big part of his issue. There isn't anything other than his own morals (and some of the companions morals) to stop gross impositions. Viserys (and companions) control the legal system, the media, hold the loyalty of the troops, and are themselves far and away the most powerful combat force in the Imperium. In most cases when you have a few of these together, you get horrible abuses. We know that won't happen because we control Viserys and know his motivations for sure. Its not unreasonable for other characters to have this concern.
 
Well bluntly, the answer is no, the Imperium is fucked if Viserys and the Companions are killed purely because whatever killed them won't stop with just them, and will be powerful enough to curbstomp the rest of the empire.

The infrastructure won't just vanish if magic dies (except for the sewer systems which rely on purification). Stuff like roads and bridges and heavily fertilized volcanic soil is sticking around.

As for institutions the Inquisition, the Lawmen, the Diplomats, etc, all of them won't just fall apart, but without the champions at the helm they're not going to survive. We're all well aware of how outnumbered we are by the things that want to eat our souls. It's mostly luck that we aren't swarmed yet.
Right now I don't even think an outer enemy is necessary to break the Imperium apart if all companions were gone.

We have to many power-hungry people (Zherys type) and a few dragons, our institutions couldn't keep them together. Maybe if we build on and give it one generation to become normal our Imperium would have the inertia to continue by itself
 
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