@egoo, @Goldfish, since Lya is assigned to the Court of Stars action, she could spend 11 days of that on crafting, thus giving Viserys the PoSK on the 11th of the month.
We could then do two weeks of bum-rush-summoning.

Alternatively, Lya can start the summoning on the 1st, while her Wight crafts the pages. Thus we could get 29 days of Lya summoning and 7 days of Viserys summoning before we do the ritual.
I'm not sure which of the two is more efficient for our purposes.
 
If we want to prompt the appearance of a Horseman
We don't afaik.
...Not really.

But the idea of "summon ~2000 HD worth of Daemons/Demons in a day" is highly likely to get the attention of an Archdaemon/demon, regardless of how low-CR we're talking.
Doing it several days in a row is lucrative AF, but increases the chance to have something massive sent at us as well.
So it is just deciding whether we want to grab whatever's sent at the party (and we'd have a massive killteam with us), or just dropping the whole Demiplanned Snare into nothingness.

Personally, I'm all for pushing it as far as possible.
*wants 50k Sacrifice*
 
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If we want to prompt the appearance of a Horseman, we won't be Summoning chump Daemons. That will be a dedicated operation where we start pulling in CR 16 to 20 Daemons which will actually be missed, and we wouldn't be doing this without Viserys and multiple Companions present. I'm pretty confident that I can rig up something that would kill most of the Horseman without direct user input, but it would take special preparations which we wouldn't want active permanently due to the instant lethality to anything we might wish to save for sacrificial purposes. Having some high level folks available to provide Counterspelling and Dispelling will make that significantly more effective, too.

That's an operation for another time, though, when we don't have quite so many pressing issues.
Kinda doubt that the real Horsemen are in our range for killing. Maybe if one is stupid enough to send some CR 20-and-change aspect.
But the real deal is a god in its own right and we have so far avoided fighting those personally.
 
@egoo, @Goldfish, since Lya is assigned to the Court of Stars action, she could spend 11 days of that on crafting, thus giving Viserys the PoSK on the 11th of the month.
We could then do two weeks of bum-rush-summoning.
Assuming we finish Qohor/Norvos by the 11th?
Sounds totes fine by me.

I wonder what R'hlor'd think of having 20k worth of HD thrown at him in form of petrified fire, in order to slap Ymeri harder :V
"What, you think I'm not hot enough for her?!"
 
Assuming we finish Qohor/Norvos by the 11th?
Sounds totes fine by me.

I wonder what R'hlor'd think of having 20k worth of HD thrown at him in form of petrified fire, in order to slap Ymeri harder :V
"What, you think I'm not hot enough for her?!"
You are aware that the plan is to throw at most 2-3k HD to R'hllor and keep the rest for the Court of Stars ritual at the end of the month, right?
 
@egoo, @Goldfish, since Lya is assigned to the Court of Stars action, she could spend 11 days of that on crafting, thus giving Viserys the PoSK on the 11th of the month.
We could then do two weeks of bum-rush-summoning.

Alternatively, Lya can start the summoning on the 1st, while her Wight crafts the pages. Thus we could get 29 days of Lya summoning and 7 days of Viserys summoning before we do the ritual.
I'm not sure which of the two is more efficient for our purposes.
I don't think we should rush Lya to start Summoning. She and Viserys can put some time to that later in the month when they can double up using a temporary Demiplane for their Summonings. The PoSKs for Viserys will be ready for use by the 23rd of the month, so there will be several days available for them to do their thing.

We could have her hang out in the Snare with the others during the continual Summoning operation I have planned and lend the weight of her magic to the effort, I guess, but I think she would get extremely bored doing that.
Kinda doubt that the real Horsemen are in our range for killing. Maybe if one is stupid enough to send some CR 20-and-change aspect.
But the real deal is a god in its own right and we have so far avoided fighting those personally.
I really doubt one would show up, and hope they don't because that's a significant escalation that could spell trouble in other ways, but they're much less powerful away from Abaddon. They shouldn't want to leave the safety of their home Plane where they have 10 Mythic ranks and a lot of other benefits.
 
I don't think we should rush Lya to start Summoning. She and Viserys can put some time to that later in the month when they can double up using a temporary Demiplane for their Summonings. The PoSKs for Viserys will be ready for use by the 23rd of the month, so there will be several days available for them to do their thing.

We could have her hang out in the Snare with the others during the continual Summoning operation I have planned and lend the weight of her magic to the effort, I guess, but I think she would get extremely bored doing that.
Then why not have her invest 11 days of her time to create the PoSK faster?
 
You are aware that the plan is to throw at most 2-3k HD to R'hllor and keep the rest for the Court of Stars ritual at the end of the month, right?
Aerm.
Kinda?

I may have mixed stuff up, but I assumed that if we're having the attack on CoS as early at the start of 4th month, and R'hlor bitch-slaps Ymeri by the end of 3rd month, then feeding him up (as the only Greater Deity among our Lesser Deities) most of the bunch makes sense?
All leftovers would not only go towards better digesting what Ymeri has (and her being Fey it'll likely halp against CoS), but, him beign the biggest of our Deities again, he'd likely "eat" most of the total sacrifice-pile as well?

That was the train of thought, anyway/
 
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Aerm.
Kinda?
I may have mixed stuff up, but I assumed that if we're having the attack on CoS as early at start of 4th month, and R'hlor bitch-slaps Ymeri by the end of 3rd month, then feeding him up (as the only Greater Deity among our Lesser Deities) most of the bunch makes sense?
All leftovers would not only go towards better digesting what Ymeri has (and her being Fey it'll likely halp against CoS), but, him reign the biggest of our Deities again, he'd likely "eat" most of the sacrifice as well?

That was the train of thought, anyway/
We are attacking them at the end of 3rd month as per the plan outline I posted. The 4th month is reserved for final preparations for the invasion of Westeros, the coronation at the end of the 4th month and the invasion proper starting on the 1st of the 5th.

We simply don't know when R'hllor will call the assault on Ymeri, so we can't plan around that.
 
Phantom Stalkers would actually be ideal for this. Nice find, dude.

They're Elemental Outsiders, but not the immaterial/incorporeal energy kind of elementals. They have the standard elemental traits, which do not preclude being Petrified.

With a Will save bonus of +2, 1 less than the Brimoraks, we would be even more successful Summoning them. On average, rather than Summoning 100 Brimoraks per day, we could instead get 108 Phantom Stalkers. That's an extra 240 per month, or 1,440 HD, bringing the total up to 19,440.

@Artemis1992, if they could willingly detonate themselves, it would be mentioned on their bestiary page.
Isn't the person threshold int 3+? I don't know about you guys, but I'd prefer to draw sapient sacrifices from the actively genocidal outsider groups. If the will save difference is too small to matter, is it really worth killing a shit ton of incredibly dumb fire people who have zero interest in leaving the PoF to bother us?
 
Isn't the person threshold int 3+? I don't know about you guys, but I'd prefer to draw sapient sacrifices from the actively genocidal outsider groups. If the will save difference is too small to matter, is it really worth killing a shit ton of incredibly dumb fire people who have zero interest in leaving the PoF to bother us?
Good point. I didn't even notice that they were Neutral and relatively benign creatures content to mind their own business. That's what I get for planning sacrifices right after I wake up.

@egoo, I think we're back to Brimoraks.
 
Huh you know this just occurred to me, don't know if anyone has had the same thought.

The change the CoS is trying to make to the Reach (that is the right place right? I can't remember right now) medieval stasis, wandering knights/adventurers, random monsters, people who can't save themselves without the help of knights/adventurers, etc
The CoS is trying to turn the place into a standard D&D setting while we've been turning our empire into a dungeon punk one.
 
Huh you know this just occurred to me, don't know if anyone has had the same thought.

The change the CoS is trying to make to the Reach (that is the right place right? I can't remember right now) medieval stasis, wandering knights/adventurers, random monsters, people who can't save themselves without the help of knights/adventurers, etc
The CoS is trying to turn the place into a standard D&D setting while we've been turning our empire into a dungeon punk one.
Basically, but what the CoS is doing has also a strong mind-control component. The nicest reading is that they want to turn every human in the Reach into their pets. A less charitable one would be that they want to keep a steady supply of people they can abuse, rape and murder for their amusement.

I mean, we did meet that nice minor satyr court that was really keen on getting royal permission to occasionally use enchantments to make the local population pliable to their sexual advances. There's a reason the current plan is to burn down as much of the Feywild as necessary to stop all of this.
 
I've just been playing Cultist Simulator and I had to think how incredibly annoying it would be to play the game in Viserys' realm.

You'd have to skill your Moth Lore to high levels before even starting to do anything questionable, just to hide your acts, and by the time you've done that all the good expedition-targets would have been looted by state-sponsored expeditions.
Might as well settle for the work-victory and never seek out the higher mysteries at all.
 
Basically, but what the CoS is doing has also a strong mind-control component. The nicest reading is that they want to turn every human in the Reach into their pets. A less charitable one would be that they want to keep a steady supply of people they can abuse, rape and murder for their amusement.

I mean, we did meet that nice minor satyr court that was really keen on getting royal permission to occasionally use enchantments to make the local population pliable to their sexual advances. There's a reason the current plan is to burn down as much of the Feywild as necessary to stop all of this.
To be fair, they were content to only use their Enchantment on those who willingly chose to participate.

I wouldn't mind allowing their traveling festival to become a standard occurrence in Westeros so long as there is a bit of sanity and Imperial oversight involved.
 
To be fair, they were content to only use their Enchantment on those who willingly chose to participate.

I wouldn't mind allowing their traveling festival to become a standard occurrence in Westeros so long as there is a bit of sanity and Imperial oversight involved.

"opting out" of said "festival" meant literally shutting yourself inside with protections.

Tourists, people too poor for shelter/protection, and the genuinely ignorant would be date raped .
 
To be fair, they were content to only use their Enchantment on those who willingly chose to participate.

I wouldn't mind allowing their traveling festival to become a standard occurrence in Westeros so long as there is a bit of sanity and Imperial oversight involved.
Yeah, and they were utterly allergic to the idea of oversight, sanity or even consent. I mean, we managed to brow-beat them in the end, but that was a piddly satyr court that Viserys could have wiped out with a few spells at most. The CoS is orders of magnitude worse.
 
Basically, but what the CoS is doing has also a strong mind-control component. The nicest reading is that they want to turn every human in the Reach into their pets. A less charitable one would be that they want to keep a steady supply of people they can abuse, rape and murder for their amusement.

I mean, we did meet that nice minor satyr court that was really keen on getting royal permission to occasionally use enchantments to make the local population pliable to their sexual advances. There's a reason the current plan is to burn down as much of the Feywild as necessary to stop all of this.
Their eagerness for mass mind control of the smallfolk was particularly bad, yeah.
"opting out" of said "festival" meant literally shutting yourself inside with protections.

Tourists, people too poor for shelter/protection, and the genuinely ignorant would be date raped .
Pretty much. That entire thing put a bad taste in my mouth.
 
"opting out" of said "festival" meant literally shutting yourself inside with protections.

Tourists, people too poor for shelter/protection, and the genuinely ignorant would be date raped .
IIRC, they were willing to change their standard MO to only do the mind whammy in designated areas and to consenting participants, though it did take a bit of convincing.
Yeah, and they were utterly allergic to the idea of oversight, sanity or even consent. I mean, we managed to brow-beat them in the end, but that was a piddly satyr court that Viserys could have wiped out with a few spells at most. The CoS is orders of magnitude worse.
Oh, of course. I'm not trying to equate the two at all, just saying that the party Fey are tolerable after getting a dose of reality from us. Like you said, though, the Court of Stars isn't willing to budge. Too bad for them.
 
Pretty much. That entire thing put a bad taste in my mouth.
The whole thing felt like haggling with a bunch of rapists to me and I was this close to call the shit-show off and start turning them all crispy. The reason I bit my tongue and kept negotiating? Because I thought they could be useful against the much bigger Court of Stars to force a non-violent solution to the Reach question. Same when I argued for sparing that demon-bait Crimson Lotus despite him having made sport of smallfolk for funsies.

Fat lot of good all of that did.
 
It sucks that we already recruited the satyr court because using the ritual sacrifice of an entire light fey court/troupe as seasoning for our death curse would seem like it would boost it narratively.
 
It sucks that we already recruited the satyr court because using the ritual sacrifice of an entire light fey court/troupe as seasoning for our death curse would seem like it would boost it narratively.
Maybe. Maybe not.

Secrecy is more important in my opinion though. Hence me sending a lot of people to keep up the same failed efforts we did the last months, so that the Queen doesn't catch on to what we are planning.
 
The whole thing felt like haggling with a bunch of rapists to me and I was this close to call the shit-show off and start turning them all crispy. The reason I bit my tongue and kept negotiating? Because I thought they could be useful against the much bigger Court of Stars to force a non-violent solution to the Reach question. Same when I argued for sparing that demon-bait Crimson Lotus despite him having made sport of smallfolk for funsies.

Fat lot of good all of that did.
It sucks that we already recruited the satyr court because using the ritual sacrifice of an entire light fey court/troupe as seasoning for our death curse would seem like it would boost it narratively.
We couldn't have predicted that:
1. The Queen is utterly unwilling to give up on the Feywild!Reach scheme
2. That her vassal lords are all unswayable
3. That the Court of Stars outguns the Imperium in terms of high power assets, which only contributes to them having no reason to listen to a bunch of mortals audaciously making demands

I'm pretty bitter it had to turn out this way, I was hoping for them to back down and join us, but it is what it is. We can't tolerate a Feywild!Reach with this shit running rampant.
 
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