I don't particularly mind fucking up Elysium more than it already is, I just don't want it to suddenly happen while we're still there with Irony and our people. And there's no telling what kind of odd effects could be caused, from simple dissolution of nearby reality to dead magic zones, Far Realm incursions, etc.

Yeah, it wouldn't hurt to cast the spell while in Limbo, so that if there are any minute planar connections, none of them lead back to the Material Plane. Anything linking to Limbo will dissolve into nothingness as soon as the spell elapses or is ended prematurely.
Limbo it is, then. 👌

We've well and truly got a workable plan now.
 
Yeah, it wouldn't hurt to cast the spell while in Limbo, so that if there are any minute planar connections, none of them lead back to the Material Plane. Anything linking to Limbo will dissolve into nothingness as soon as the spell elapses or is ended prematurely.
Preferably we do it in a highly-morphic area that will break down soon after leaving anyway. Preferably there is not a single trace left after we are done.
 
...y'all recon this will be another of the "shit, this thread still manages to surprise me"-sort of discussions for DP to find once he wakes? :V
 
The native denizens will probably pull up beach chairs and popcorn.
I think the opposite will happen. While our Mindblanks will fully squash any details from showing, the sheer magnitude of the events will send an aura of complete NOPE through every divination and supernatural sense within the area, so everyone will stay the hell away from whatever is causing a Daemon incursion worth of bad omens.
...y'all recon this will be another of the "shit, this thread still manages to surprise me"-sort of discussions for DP to find once he wakes? :V
I'm pretty sure his reaction will be memorable.
 
I think the opposite will happen. While our Mindblanks will fully squash any details from showing, the sheer magnitude of the events will send an aura of complete NOPE through every divination and supernatural sense within the area, so everyone will stay the hell away from whatever is causing a Daemon incursion worth of bad omens.
I mean...

 
...y'all recon this will be another of the "shit, this thread still manages to surprise me"-sort of discussions for DP to find once he wakes? :V
Maybe if it happened a few years back, but by this point " the thread panicked and is planning out a fiend blood powered super weapon" would probably be his second or third guess at what we are doing at any given time he isn't logged in.
 
Something, something, peace was never an option.
I blame the Court of Stars for this, after all the other Fey polities could at the very least talk, or the end goal in dealing with them in case of hostility doesn't require full purge (save Yimeri), but the moment they decided to eat a large chunk of the continent they need to go.

I mean, if this were Creation now would be the time when everyone would try to burn them with green hatefire or golden solar flames because fuck those guys.

Also @egoo I know the effects of lack of sleep. Just go to sleep and you will feel better. I will probably go to be myself soon.
 
I blame the Court of Stars for this, after all the other Fey polities could at the very least talk, or the end goal in dealing with them in case of hostility doesn't require full purge (save Yimeri), but the moment they decided to eat a large chunk of the continent they need to go.

I mean, if this were Creation now would be the time when everyone would try to burn them with green hatefire or golden solar flames because fuck those guys.

Also @egoo I know the effects of lack of sleep. Just go to sleep and you will feel better. I will probably go to be myself soon.
Yeah, I blame the Court of Stars here. The fact that diplomacy flat out wasn't even an option to get them to abandon their scheme inevitably led us here.
 
To be fair, those are redline issues of the Court of Stars due to their own history in the Reach and how they are tied to it. I'm not mad at them for not conceding something that they could not ever give away.

But that just means that conflict was inevitable, not that I will hesitate for even a second to deal with them with as much force as necessary. Even if that means sticking a bendy straw into Abbaddon.
 
To be fair, those are redline issues of the Court of Stars due to their own history in the Reach and how they are tied to it. I'm not mad at them for not conceding something that they could not ever give away.

But that just means that conflict was inevitable, not that I will hesitate for even a second to deal with them with as much force as necessary. Even if that means sticking a bendy straw into Abbaddon.
... Okay, that is fair. Metaphysically they couldn't surrender their plan given how much they've invested in it. But we can't accept it under any circumstances, so here we are.
 
OK, that was a trip...

Glad to see it settled a bit on its own. As for the fey being inconsistently powerful, well I have been presenting a faction where the high nobles have mythic ranks, where the foot soldiers have magic lead by one who is a literal goddess in flesh. Two things that also came up but which have not been noted of late is that the fey are relatively few and quite top-heavy. Few relative to both mortals and other planar factions, there aren't an infinite number of fey out there, these are beings fundamentally bound to the very finite mortal world or its reflection. Also a lot of fey especially of the light make poor warriors by both temperament and power.

Take note also that the Crimson are the only ones with anything like devices of war, you guys have space ships and magi-tech fighter bombers.
 
OK, that was a trip...

Glad to see it settled a bit on its own. As for the fey being inconsistently powerful, well I have been presenting a faction where the high nobles have mythic ranks, where the foot soldiers have magic lead by one who is a literal goddess in flesh. Two things that also came up but which have not been noted of late is that the fey are relatively few and quite top-heavy. Few relative to both mortals and other planar factions, there aren't an infinite number of fey out there, these are beings fundamentally bound to the very finite mortal world or its reflection. Also a lot of fey especially of the light make poor warriors by both temperament and power.

Take note also that the Crimson are the only ones with anything like devices of war, you guys have space ships and magi-tech fighter bombers.
So if we go to Limbo can we get an Alicorn dream form for Danny?
 
It gets worse. Look at the other ability of those Norns.


Let's say that the leader of the court could throw a Soul Trap at Viserys with a DC high enough that he has only a 50% chance to make the save. The leader has a coven of 3 Norns with him, who all use that ability.

The chance to make that 50% save four times in a row is 6.25%.

We can't fight that.
You are pulling up an interesting example here. Because the writing for that spell is exactly the same as Alter Fortune, and we certainly have more level 5 Wizards or Clerics than they have CR 18 Norns.

I would prefer the sane reading, that "you have to abide the second result" means exactly that and there can be no further rerolls, but if not we can definitly force the dice to keep rolling until we like the result.
 
But no, seriously, what would be Viserys the 'Princess' of, if his 'Ascension' in the Limbo was a crowning achievement/result of spending 2 weeks non-stop summoning ~28k Quasits?
I'm intrigued by the prospect now!
:V

Having caught a bit of a nap, @Goldfish, @Azel, @BronzeTongue, do y'all think the set-up should be more on the "quick to build, quick to discard"-side, expecting maybe 2 days of continuous use at best?
Just the "gotta hope nothing catches wind of massive summoning, summon shit we need, and then go on with the month"-sort of structure.

Or the sort of stuff that'd be a dedicated trap to anything coming into it, not just low-CR Daemons?
Because iirc we can make everything re-roll their save and take the worse pick with a right spell laid down there, and that's on top of 30+ Fort needed to avoid petrification.
Or even more, because buffing Irony most definitely can be done by Dany with her Persistomancy and there's a lot of spells one can dig up to upgrade Con stat.

And there's all sorts of optional deathtrap-y elements that are wasted on CR 2 entities but would work well enough to slow a CR 20 entity for an action at least.
 
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You are pulling up an interesting example here. Because the writing for that spell is exactly the same as Alter Fortune, and we certainly have more level 5 Wizards or Clerics than they have CR 18 Norns.

I would prefer the sane reading, that "you have to abide the second result" means exactly that and there can be no further rerolls, but if not we can definitly force the dice to keep rolling until we like the result.

I missed this discussion going through the thread, this reading is indeed accurate, you can't shift fate multiple times on one roll, even if you have more than one person doing it.
 
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