Or we could take our time over the next month in order to pile up even more HD for a sacrifice, one which would probably require a major action there would be so many captured Demons needing to be killed.

As I detailed here:

If we craft an item of Lesser Planar Binding, we can set up a system to Summon approximately 3,000 Brimorak Demons per month.
I don't mind having the ritual and the razing of the Court of Stars be reserved for the latter half of the month if it means we get more sacrifices to use and more time to refine the ritual as much as we can.
We also need to power R'hlor's Ymeri-killing.
If we start next month we can quite well feed him too :V
R'hllor will definitely get fed, don't worry. Our biggest purpose in assisting him in that war is to further our ties with him and have him buy into the idea of joining the Imperial Pantheon. Honestly he was leaning towards accepting anyway, but us supporting him with both sacrifices and a military force is a hard favor to ignore.
If the Reach becomes our generation's Dorne I'm willing to turn it into glass, though I prefer to burn down the feywild honestly.
Hopefully the Reach itself is spared the destruction, though it would not surprise me to see heavy cases of collateral damage.
 
If both gods and the material plane exist they liklely have some form of that agreement.

That being said.

I do like the idea of booting the feywild off into the aether. Ideally with a literal giant boot.
They had one, but then everything exploded, most of the signatories died, and the material plane ducked off stage for untold eons.

The spheres have only been reconnected for the time span of the quest, so some sort of broad agreement is unlikely. More than half of the active gods we know of right now are mostly dead things we brought to our divine physical therapy clinic, and almost all the others had some ramp up time to get engaged again or had a issue stopping them from acting.

I really doubt they've had the time or inclination to set anything new up, and the old one is way too out of date for anyone to care about enforcing it.
Wasn't there a spell that worked similar to Spellbane but affected an area? If only Wish needs to be blocked, we should be able to find a solution. Worst case, cast Spellbane on a sturdy undead that is just out of reach of the Horseman, but still close enough to affect him.
there's Otiluke's Suppressing Field, which we could set to universal school spells.

We could also try Khelben's Dweomerdoom and counterspell his wish SLA before he uses it.
 
@Goldfish, what is your opinion on setting up a temporary Snare in the remnants of Elysium so that we don't unduly risk the stability of the Plane of Balance by sticking a straw into Abaddon and suckling on it with all our might?
 
Do SLAs get negated by Spellbane? If so, that's the obvious solution. Of course we'd have to watch out for the Horsemen potentially getting extra "benefits".
Wasn't there a spell that worked similar to Spellbane but affected an area? If only Wish needs to be blocked, we should be able to find a solution. Worst case, cast Spellbane on a sturdy undead that is just out of reach of the Horseman, but still close enough to affect him.
Spellbane could maybe work, but it would be difficult to manage due to the limited size of the AoE and the other abilities the Horseman have available.

I was thinking something more along the lines of having Viserys use Project Image in conjunction with Suppressing Field set to block the Universal school of magic which includes Wish spells.

We could boost Viserys' caster level to 28 with various buffs, have him cast a True Casting spell, then use Wild Arcana to create a Suppressing Field. That would require one of the Horsemen to beat a caster level check of 51 to use their Wish SLA. None of them could do that except on a Nat 20, which we could fuck over using Alter Fortune.
 
@Goldfish, what is your opinion on setting up a temporary Snare in the remnants of Elysium so that we don't unduly risk the stability of the Plane of Balance by sticking a straw into Abaddon and suckling on it with all our might?
You putting that image in my brain had me suddenly thinking of Viserys taking one of those colossal Valyrian Steel Spikes that sucks magic out of the volcanoes in Valyria and using it to suck Daemons out of Abaddon.
Spellbane could maybe work, but it would be difficult to manage due to the limited size of the AoE and the other abilities the Horseman have available.

I was thinking something more along the lines of having Viserys use Project Image in conjunction with Suppressing Field set to block the Universal school of magic which includes Wish spells.

We could boost Viserys' caster level to 28 with various buffs, have him cast a True Casting spell, then use Wild Arcana to create a Suppressing Field. That would require one of the Horsemen to beat a caster level check of 51 to use their Wish SLA. None of them could do that except on a Nat 20, which we could fuck over using Alter Fortune.
... Okay, I like your idea better than Spellbane.
 
Spellbane could maybe work, but it would be difficult to manage due to the limited size of the AoE and the other abilities the Horseman have available.

I was thinking something more along the lines of having Viserys use Project Image in conjunction with Suppressing Field set to block the Universal school of magic which includes Wish spells.

We could boost Viserys' caster level to 28 with various buffs, have him cast a True Casting spell, then use Wild Arcana to create a Suppressing Field. That would require one of the Horsemen to beat a caster level check of 51 to use their Wish SLA. None of them could do that except on a Nat 20, which we could fuck over using Alter Fortune.
... I wonder what would happen if we somehow managed to sacrifice the avatar of literal Death in a ritual aiming to kill someone ...

Mind. I'm not saying we should try to capture a Horseman of all things. But it certainly would be funny.
 
... I wonder what would happen if we somehow managed to sacrifice the avatar of literal Death in a ritual aiming to kill someone ...

Mind. I'm not saying we should try to capture a Horseman of all things. But it certainly would be funny.
True Death for the entire Court of Stars?
 
Okay, now I seem to have caught something nasty in me lungs (no fever/other symptoms whatsoever tho? can only hope no corona :V), didn't sleep for way too long, and used a "breathe it with an inhaler-apparatus"-medicine whereas the set-up required me to breathe waaaay too deeper that I'm used to usually.

I don't feel great and light-headed a bit, so imma sleep right now.

Just so y'all know, I'm 100% percent okay with how things are now and would do juuuust fine without further ret-cons or adjustments by @DragonParadox.
Nigthy night y'all.

... @Goldfish, still be so kind, write up a basic proposal for the off-plane snare for this. And Irony buffs. Plz, pretty plz.
I'd hate to have to fish these out later :3
 
Okay, now I seem to have caught something nasty in me lungs (no fever/other symptoms whatsoever tho? can only hope no corona :V), didn't sleep for way too long, and used a "breathe it with an inhaler-apparatus"-medicine whereas the set-up required me to breathe waaaay too deeper that I'm used to usually.

I don't feel great and light-headed a bit, so imma sleep right now.

Just so y'all know, I'm 100% percent okay with how things are now and would do juuuust fine without further ret-cons or adjustments by @DragonParadox.
Nigthy night y'all.

... @Goldfish, still be so kind, write up a basic proposal for the off-plane snare for this. And Irony buffs. Plz, pretty plz.
I'd hate to have to fish these out later :3
Shit, take care of yourself dude. We'll sort this mess out, just get some rest.
 
Okay, now I seem to have caught something nasty in me lungs (no fever/other symptoms whatsoever tho? can only hope no corona :V), didn't sleep for way too long, and used a "breathe it with an inhaler-apparatus"-medicine whereas the set-up required me to breathe waaaay too deeper that I'm used to usually.

I don't feel great and light-headed a bit, so imma sleep right now.

Just so y'all know, I'm 100% percent okay with how things are now and would do juuuust fine without further ret-cons or adjustments by @DragonParadox.
Nigthy night y'all.

... @Goldfish, still be so kind, write up a basic proposal for the off-plane snare for this. And Irony buffs. Plz, pretty plz.
I'd hate to have to fish these out later :3
Shit, dude, now I'm worried. Get well soon! :(
 
Yeah, I think we got a workable plan now. Still needs some work on the details and we will probably need a bit more then a mop and a bucket to clean up afterwards, but nothing is perfect.
 
Shit, take care of yourself dude. We'll sort this mess out, just get some rest.
Eh, I'm sure I'll be fine. It is only teaching kids in school for 2 months that I have to do starting Monday :V
Famous last words 2, electric bogaloo.

Jokes aside, I'm sure y'all will. Just kinda felt like complaining about shit :p
@Azel, tell me if ya want something other than Cacodaemons, I can dig something up, there's a lot of choice in Pathfinder, serioiusly.
 
This all assumes that a horsemen would show up without thirty of their favorite background dancers though. They could also just go "you want hundreds of daemons? well then have hundreds of daemons" and send in enough CR 10+ daemons to drown us in bodies.

We should probably have a bug out plan that involves running through a few different planes after dropping the whole snare site into limbo or something.
 
Eh, I'm sure I'll be fine. It is only teaching kids in school for 2 months that I have to do starting Monday :V
Famous last words 2, electric bogaloo.

Jokes aside, I'm sure y'all will. Just kinda felt like complaining about shit :p
@Azel, tell me if ya want something other than Cacodaemons, I can dig something up, there's a lot of choice in Pathfinder, serioiusly.
Get some rest dude. We have ample time to finagle out the details such as which Daemons to pull.
We'll talk about that once you feel better.
 
This all assumes that a horsemen would show up without thirty of their favorite background dancers though. They could also just go "you want hundreds of daemons? well then have hundreds of daemons" and send in enough CR 10+ daemons to drown us in bodies.

We should probably have a bug out plan that involves running through a few different planes after dropping the whole snare site into limbo or something.
Actually, considering the size of the Summoning Circle and what would be waiting for them, them appearing with as many Daemons as they could bring along with them would not go too well for them. What could take 30+ seconds to kill a Horseman would evaporate most other Daemons in 12 or less.
 
This all assumes that a horsemen would show up without thirty of their favorite background dancers though. They could also just go "you want hundreds of daemons? well then have hundreds of daemons" and send in enough CR 10+ daemons to drown us in bodies.

We should probably have a bug out plan that involves running through a few different planes after dropping the whole snare site into limbo or something.
Yeah, that's why I want to do it in Elysium. The place is a wreck already and we can just toss the disposable Snare straight into the Abyss from there.

I won't lose any sleep over a Horseman and a few dozen high-level Daemons being loose in Tiamats Hoard or some other cesspit down there.
 
@Goldfish, what is your opinion on setting up a temporary Snare in the remnants of Elysium so that we don't unduly risk the stability of the Plane of Balance by sticking a straw into Abaddon and suckling on it with all our might?
I'm kinda wary of trying that in an already broken Plane. Sure, it would avoid damaging the Material Plane, but it seems like we'd be inviting a whole other kind of trouble. Attracting attention from various forces battling there, accelerating the entropic decay of the area, sparking off wierd ass Wild Magic effects, etc.

For my plan to Summon Brimorak Demons, our normal Snare should be fine, since they're the Abyssal equivalent to dryer lint and it's only about 100 of them per day, but @egoo's focused Super Summoning Funtime Extravaganza might need special considerations since it will be Summoning so many Outsiders in such a short period of time.

What about creating a temporary Greater Demiplane. We create it, then cast the spell several additional times to add features, specifically Enhanced and Impeded Magic, no gravity, Alignment traits, etc. We can make it where the magic of the Summoned creatures is either nonfunctional or impeded, some of ours is enhanced, inflict penalties on them due to Alignment conflicts, and trap them floating helpless in the middle of the Summon Circle if they don't have innate flight abilities. That would of course be in addition to the other effects we would apply, such as Forbiddance, Hallow, etc.

And then when our folks are done, they dismiss the Demiplane and head home. If something starts to go wrong beforehand, they can just abandon the Demiplane and start up again later in a new one.
 
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I'm kinda wary of trying that in an already broken Plane. Sure, it would avoid damaging the Material Plane, but it seems like we'd be inviting a whole other kind of trouble. Attracting attention from various forces battling there, accelerating the entropic decay of the area, sparking off wierd ass Wild Magic effects, etc.

For my plan to Summon Brimorak Demons, our normal Snare should be fine, since they're the Abyssal equivalent to dryer lint and it's only about 100 of them per day, but @egoo's focused Super Summoning Funtime Extravaganza might need special considerations since it will be Summoning so many Outsiders in such a short period of time.

What about creating a temporary Greater Demiplane. We create it, then cast the spell several additional times to add features, specifically Enhanced and Impeded Magic, no gravity, Alignment traits, etc. We can make it where the magic of the Summoned creatures is either nonfunctional or impeded, some of ours is enhanced, inflict penalties on them due to Alignment conflicts, and trap them floating helpless in the middle of the Summon Circle if they don't have innate flight abilities. That would of course be in addition to the other effects we would apply, such as Forbiddance, Hallow, etc.

And then when our folks are done, then dismiss the Demiplane and head home. If something starts to go wrong beforehand, they can just abandon the Demiplane and start up again later in a new one.
Honestly I'd much rather do it in Elysium purely because everything about that plane is already fucked up beyond all repair. There's just no saving it. I don't want the sheer scale of summoning to make a connection between the Abyss and Prime Material any more than there already are.
 
I'm kinda wary of trying that in an already broken Plane. Sure, it would avoid damaging the Material Plane, but it seems like we'd be inviting a whole other kind of trouble. Attracting attention from various forces battling there, accelerating the entropic decay of the area, sparking off wierd ass Wild Magic effects, etc.

For my plan to Summon Brimorak Demons, our normal Snare should be fine, since they're the Abyssal equivalent to dryer lint and it's only about 100 of them per day, but @egoo's focused Super Summoning Funtime Extravaganza might need special considerations since it will be Summoning so many Outsiders in such a short period of time.

What about creating a temporary Greater Demiplane. We create it, then cast the spell several additional times to add features, specifically Enhanced and Impeded Magic, no gravity, Alignment traits, etc. We can make it where the magic of the Summoned creatures is either nonfunctional or impeded, some of ours is enhanced, inflict penalties on them due to Alignment conflicts, and trap them floating helpless in the middle of the Summon Circle if they don't have innate flight abilities. That would of course be in addition to the other effects we would apply, such as Forbiddance, Hallow, etc.

And then when our folks are done, then dismiss the Demiplane and head home. If something starts to go wrong beforehand, they can just abandon the Demiplane and start up again later in a new one.
Hm... sounds like a good idea.

I'd still would want to tie the plane to something that isn't the Prime Material though, so we should go to some other place before creating it. Limbo maybe? That place can deal with planar weakening quite well, just in case something from the Demiplane still spills over.
 
Hm... sounds like a good idea.

I'd still would want to tie the plane to something that isn't the Prime Material though, so we should go to some other place before creating it. Limbo maybe? That place can deal with planar weakening quite well, just in case something from the Demiplane still spills over.
Either Limbo or Elysium are good alternatives to set up a Greater Demiplane for our mass summoning.
 
Honestly I'd much rather do it in Elysium purely because everything about that plane is already fucked up beyond all repair. There's just no saving it. I don't want the sheer scale of summoning to make a connection between the Abyss and Prime Material any more than there already are.
I don't particularly mind fucking up Elysium more than it already is, I just don't want it to suddenly happen while we're still there with Irony and our people. And there's no telling what kind of odd effects could be caused, from simple dissolution of nearby reality to dead magic zones, Far Realm incursions, etc.
Hm... sounds like a good idea.

I'd still would want to tie the plane to something that isn't the Prime Material though, so we should go to some other place before creating it. Limbo maybe? That place can deal with planar weakening quite well, just in case something from the Demiplane still spills over.
Yeah, it wouldn't hurt to cast the spell while in Limbo, so that if there are any minute planar connections, none of them lead back to the Material Plane. Anything linking to Limbo will dissolve into nothingness as soon as the spell elapses or is ended prematurely.
 
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