Could not Dedicated Wrights take advantage of this? True the crafters would have to be present to direct them after they accomplish each bout of crafting, but the time spent giving directions would be an eyeblink and barely shave a few extra minutes off their lifespan in comparison to spending months there at a time.
I don't think so. The Dedicated Wight needs to be on the same Plane as their bonded crafter to function, IIRC. And if not, it's still incredibly cheesy. If we're gonna use temporal acceleration shenanigans, there should be consequences and hurdles we cannot simply sidestep like that.
 
Would he? That would prove to be a rather thorny theological issue. On the one hand their theology says 'demons are beyond redemption' on the other it says 'seek to bring all you can into the light'. So what happens if you can make someone not be a demon?
...even in our service, Devils still manage to cause theological schism.

Purely by existing.
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Would he? That would prove to be a rather thorny theological issue. On the one hand their theology says 'demons are beyond redemption' on the other it says 'seek to bring all you can into the light'. So what happens if you can make someone not be a demon?
While it might be subject to revision if requested, I'd be very surprised if that second phrase was actually written with fiends in mind. It's interaction with the first actually only makes it more clear, since it reads 'bring all you can' and if 'demons are beyond redemption' then you can't bring them.
 
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Need more votes, y'all.
Adhoc vote count started by Goldfish on Dec 8, 2019 at 2:29 PM, finished with 91 posts and 9 votes.

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While it might be subject to revision if requested, I'd be very surprised if that second phrase was actually written with fiends in mind.
No one thought it practical to try to convert fiends, except other Angels, who know that if one can fall, one can also rise. @DragonParadox pointed toward this with Yrael's story arc, and how he treated his Abyssal foes and cultists.
 
That's the gist of it. no one is too sanguine about the state of Viserys' soul, though the more hopeful among them reason that such great good (not all of which could justified as pure practicality) must count for something, but the people of Sorcerer's Deep do not worship Viserys do they, even though he would find it all too easy to arrange that for many of them? That is a significant element in many of the letters they will be sending home and in that fact there is hope.
I guess that will change soon.
With our next Mythic Tier it would simply be wasteful not to have Clerics of Viserys and while we propably could forbid worship of us, I see little reason to do so.

Would he? That would prove to be a rather thorny theological issue. On the one hand their theology says 'demons are beyond redemption' on the other it says 'seek to bring all you can into the light'. So what happens if you can make someone not be a demon?
However employing Devils while letting them be Devils is definitly on the evil side of that particular view, no question about it.
 
Would he? That would prove to be a rather thorny theological issue. On the one hand their theology says 'demons are beyond redemption' on the other it says 'seek to bring all you can into the light'. So what happens if you can make someone not be a demon?

Considering how close we were in that vote to treating all fiends as people, I can feel their frustration.
 
I guess that will change soon.
With our next Mythic Tier it would simply be wasteful not to have Clerics of Viserys and while we propably could forbid worship of us, I see little reason to do so.


However employing Devils while letting them be Devils is definitly on the evil side of that particular view, no question about it.
As to the Clerics, we could simply make doctrine point toward our Imperial Deity instead. It neatly sidesteps the issue of accepting human worship. That was the point of creating our own God.
 
No one thought it practical to try to convert fiends, except other Angels, who know that if one can fall, one can also rise. @DragonParadox pointed toward this with Yrael's story arc, and how he treated his Abyssal foes and cultists.
That's mostly because it's not. If our enemies weren't all idiots and we didn't go out of our way to make sure all our fiends were the strictly rule-abiding or cowardly types, it'd have already backfired on us.

It may yet do so, since Asmodeus has recently stepped up to the plate here. I've been expecting devil sleeper agents, or just ones clever enough to realize their teleport means we can never be sure what they're doing while we're busy elsewhere, for years.
 
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The thing about people worshipping us isn't really an issue. We can just ask the Old Gods how they go about rejecting worship.

I'm very much in favor of allowing it so we can get our clerics.
 
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As to the Clerics, we could simply make doctrine point toward our Imperial Deity instead. It neatly sidesteps the issue of accepting human worship. That was the point of creating our own God.
Yes but no.
A Cleric that gets spells from Viserys would likely still know he gets them from Viserys.
Maybe we can eventually reroute that to run over a not-yet-existing Imperial Deity, but that's for the far future while our next Mythic Tier will likely happen soon.
 
Yes but no.
A Cleric that gets spells from Viserys would likely still know he gets them from Viserys.
Maybe we can eventually reroute that to run over a not-yet-existing Imperial Deity, but that's for the far future while our next Mythic Tier will likely happen soon.
I would say then that we should refrain--as to the fact that they would literally just be third circle casters and we can already produce those without thorny theological issues or metaphysical chains tying us down.

When we can reroute it through our Imperial God, we will likely also have enough Mythic Tiers to make it worth it.
 
Would he? That would prove to be a rather thorny theological issue. On the one hand their theology says 'demons are beyond redemption' on the other it says 'seek to bring all you can into the light'. So what happens if you can make someone not be a demon?

SCHISM SCHISM SHCISM.

But more seriously, if you really wanna go full on Christianity/Catholism here with the Seven, then yeah even Asmodeus himself can be redeemed since saying there is something truly unforgivable is denying the all powerful mercy and grace of The Seven/Jesus' redemptive sacrifice on the cross. Early Christian councils were pretty thorough on the whole "Nothing is beyond redemption since nothing is beyond Jesus," and "Jesus is both human and divine since his suffering is actual suffering."
 
SCHISM SCHISM SHCISM.

But more seriously, if you really wanna go full on Christianity/Catholism here with the Seven, then yeah even Asmodeus himself can be redeemed since saying there is something truly unforgivable is denying the all powerful mercy and grace of The Seven/Jesus' redemptive sacrifice on the cross. Early Christian councils were pretty thorough on the whole "Nothing is beyond redemption since nothing is beyond Jesus," and "Jesus is both human and divine since his suffering is actual suffering."
Problem is there was no Jesus equivalent in the FotS. There were figures like Philosopher Kings, yeah, but none who were basically the fulcrum point of "this is what we must do to achieve salvation".

The reasoning for why not is probably pretty clear, back in the ye olden days, the forces of darkness were all too real and were too much proof that if you want your happy ending, you have to literally fight tooth and nail for it.
 
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