Unrelated.

Think this fellow might be something Tiamat could send against us if we try to rob her blind?
An anti-mythic monster that could challenge a significant part of our forces alone.
If we ever fight this, we are also getting these effects to cut out:
Godslayer (Ex)
An elder wyrm's natural attacks overcome damage reduction and regeneration as per epic and magic weapons. As a swift action, the elder wyrm can grant its natural weapons one alignment property and one material property for this purpose. These secondary properties last for 1 hour or until the elder wyrm uses this ability again to select new properties.

Myth-Drinker (Su)
An elder wyrm's bite and rend attacks deal an additional 2d6 points of damage to creatures with mythic tiers or the mythic subtype. When an elder wyrm confirms a critical hit with its bite attack against such a target, the target loses 1d4 uses of mythic power. For each use of mythic power lost, the elder wyrm either regains 2d10 hit points or can attempt a saving throw against one ongoing effect; on a successful save, the effect ends immediately. At the GM's discretion, this ability could apply to mighty albeit non-mythic divine creations, such as behemoths, demodands, titans, and outsiders whose CR is 20 or higher; in this case the elder wyrm benefits as though the target had lost two uses of mythic power.
It'd be just incredibly good for anything anti-Fey/anti-God we'd want made.

So, kinda balances out how hard of a fight this shit'll be..?
:V
 
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Unrelated.

Think this fellow might be something Tiamat could send against us if we try to rob her blind?
An anti-mythic monster that could challenge a significant part of our forces alone.
While I don't doubt she could send something powerful against us, I don't think it would be an Elder Wyrm. Those things are explicitly outside of Divine control, at least according to the fluff. They're certainly not the kinds of beings to work for Tiamat.

Given the sad state of the Draconic population of the Planes, I doubt any of them actually exist right now. If Tiamat does send one, it would probably be an Elder Wyrm she created herself. That would be a significant investment in power for her, and a great loss if defeated.
 
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A lot of that is because, despite being our enemy, Lucan is not quite the kind of enemy we were expecting. We had built him up to be a rabid fanatic, and assumed his reasoning and rationality would suffer for it, but that wasn't the case.

We didn't lose in the exchange, but we didn't win either. Getting the information on the Court of Stars disseminated was vital, and we accomplished that well enough. We also learned a great deal about the politics of the Faith in Westeros while helping to solidify their official stance that magic is not inherently Evil. That will be a big help for us post-Conquest.

And while Lucan is still around and he remains an obstinate foe, we did manage to establish semi-cordial relations with Danelle, such that we were able to peacefully meet at a later date to exchange vital information. Remember, that's how we learned Jayne Weaver wasn't the only meat puppet infiltrator the Deep Ones were using.

When the time comes, Lucan will either now to the inevitable or we will kill him. Full stop, Do Not Pass Go, Dead. I've been looking forward to it, and his pet Planetar isn't quite the deterrent it once was.

The information exchange was useful, but I think the truce is enough reason to count it as their win. It's the equivalent of when the cartoon villain sends out his goons in reverse order of strength since the hero is obviously incapable of beating him. We are giving them valuable summoning/Artifact gathering/training arc time.

We attacked the seven through their worship supply; that makes us as close to an existential threat as we can reasonably get to a god. They will have as much divine support as the seven can find a way to give them.

I think that's why I'm more paranoid about this than most of the thread. I don't see a fistful of clerics playing around with angels in the woods. I see the fingers of a major deity who we threatened to harm in a way precious few beings can ever hurt a god, who knows what we tried to do to it.
 
I think that's why I'm more paranoid about this than most of the thread. I don't see a fistful of clerics playing around with angels in the woods. I see the fingers of a major deity who we threatened to harm in a way precious few beings can ever hurt a god, who knows what we tried to do to it.
They did know we'd do that almost since we decided to. I'd worry more about them if they were actually working together but as it is each chosen is following their own plan and only occasionally working with others so clearly they're not ready for us.

If they can just keep not being ready for a while longer we'll be fine.
 

I really don't want to dig at the salt again, but really want to have a final word. The one who pushed for diplomacy with the seven isn't even sticking in the thread anymore, and the regulars here are mostly aligned with pushing for total annihilation of Lucan's gang.

As I've said before, we were at the equivalent of infiltrating The Vatican of The Seven, so just fluff it as they got the drop on us when we least expect it. Now that we have researched more anti-divine measures, we'll nail them this time.

*Five echoing whispers: Illyrio...wisspsss...that old gossip....worm king...

Godsdammit Timmy!!!
 
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Interlude DCLXIII: A City in Three Verses
A City in Three Verses

Twelfth Day of the Eleventh Month 293 AC

Sorcerer's Deep


Franklyn of Highpeak had not known what to expect of the City of the Dragon, not truly. With the aid of the Father and through Brother Lucan's intercession he had fair guess for what the Dragon was doing in the depths of his fortress and the sorts of threads he was weaving all over Westeros, better perhaps than the earthly princes who counted themselves his enemy, but that was not the same thing as knowing the place whence the Dragon King ruled. Neither should I weigh the people by what I know of the prince when I seek to know what manner of king he would make through them, the septon reminded himself, paraphrasing the Book of the Crone, for then I should bring no judgement back save that which I have brought with me and redoubled.

The first thing that greeted him at the docks had been the great bustle and noise in a thousand tongues of men and some far stranger sounds, hisses, roars and lilting otherworldly songs that hung in the air, but even as his ears were bewildered his nose was relieved, the stink that inevitably followed whenever men had to live close together in a wooden boat with naught but salt water to bathe themselves in gave way to fresh clean air and not just on account of the briny breeze. There was nothing of the stink that clung to cities like gnats on a masterless dog. Oh there were smells aplenty, of course, spices from the east uploaded up the quay, rare fragrant woods from Sothoryos being carried to the warehouse looming in the east fit to cover the sun, and street food roasting and sizzling for those who had the coin for food but not a roof to eat it under.

Or maybe just those who didn't have the time, Franklyn thought. There was a lot of meat on those spits and it wasn't the sort of mystery meat that sometimes made its way to the docks of Sunspear for those without the means to pay for more. A prosperous people content in their lot, the priest nodded to himself.

Having seen how the needs of the body were cared for he thought to ask of those of the soul. Rather than going right away to the Great Sept King Viserys had raised he went instead into the houses of those who were said to speak for other gods, for he was a child of Dorne and such arrangements were not unknown to him and he had never seen the harm of it. If gold be pure than it would bear the scales and if Faith be true then it will stand fair and true among the words of the outlander, so said the Book of the Smith.

What he found was strange and troubling at times but heartening, for though the shedding of blood was common in some of the temples most called upon, such as that of the Great Serpent or the green groves of the Old Gods, in other places it was counted an ill fated offering. Even the priests of the Red God who counted King Viserys their savior gave but small offerings to the flame, far less than it had seen in his youth in Volantis, and they said that the Dragon King refused to be recognized as their 'Azor Ahai' and that they counted it a test. Franklyn suspected it was simpler by far than that, King Viserys would not set his throne upon any altar, for he did not trust them to bear its weight.

A heartening thing for a missionary come to bring the word of the Seven-Who-Are-One to be sure, for when a man could work miracles by his own power and he was there to touch and see with the naked eye why would those he had raised up not think him god? Raised up from the Pit in some cases, the septon shuddered as he considered the scourge of slavery. It was not all of one piece, of course, few things born of the mind of men were even the most sinful. There had been slaves more fortunate than the smallfolk in some parts of the Seven Kingdoms, but many places were much much worse.

So it was that on the seventh day of his stay that the septon went among the septs, and there were many more besides the grand one that the Dragon had chosen to raise, and there he found much of what Brother Lucan had feared, men of little learning mingling the faces of the Seven with foreign gods and saying that you could worship half of the Seven and half some other Power, but he found much of what had been hoped for but not thought of. Men and women of charity and great heart, virtue not only among those who had been lowly and wished to raise up those whose sorry state they recalled all too well, but among those of means also, knights, merchants and master craftsmen. Wealth and ease had not made the folk forget virtue and instead chase after more of it paid in the blood of their fellows, it made them give with an open hand as they had seen their King do time and again, and not just for his greatness but for their lives to be better.

Seek not to tear down the might of princes and make yourself a throne of rubble, but bring all men together into the light wholehearted, so it was written in the Book of the Mother. Only a fool would preach against the Dragon King here, even if Brother Lucan's pledge did not bind him, but you could preach virtue here and be heard.

And so with these three verses the septon began his letter back home.

OOC:As is probably obvious from the update, really good rolls this time around. Not everyone was as convinced as Septon Franklyn, but he is pretty representative of the mood of the missionaries
 
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@Goldfish Also re: Demiplane Time Acceleration, come to think of it don't we want to use Deceleration instead if the point is to double production? Though I'm unsure of the mechanics here, even if perception of time is still 1:1 time passing outside is 2:1 rather than 1:2.

Given 2 months worth of crafting time would be 'spent' inside the crafting areas in a single month, a chamber which had the effects of time acceleration and thus aging would only be useful for stuff that takes time to prepare, like alchemy products, or animal breeding.
 
This is the first time I'm a little concerned how the thread will react to good rolls since I know a lot of your guys were expecting this to precipitate into open conflict, but I think it's important for me as a GM to keep everyone in character and acting in accordance to the rolls. One of the worst things about the Conclave arc was trying to make some sort of point to the thread. I'm done with that sort of nonsense. I will be telling the story as the rolls and the players decisions inform it.
 
Eh, I'm fine with good rolls here.
Not having to worry about open conflict with the Seven at this time means we can focus on the worse threats, like the demons or devils and Tiamat
 
A City in Three Verses

Twelfth Day of the Eleventh Month 293 AC

Sorcerer's Deep


Franklyn of Highpeak had not known what to expect of the City of the Dragon, not truly. With the aid of the Father and through Brother Lucan's intercession, he had a fair guess for what the Dragon was doing in the depths of his fortress and the sorts of threads he was weaving all over Westeros, better perhaps than the earthly princes who counted themselves his enemy, but that was not the same thing as knowing the place whence the Dragon King ruled. Neither should I weigh the people by what I know of the prince when I seek to know what manner of king he would make through them, the septon reminded himself, paraphrasing the Book of the Crone, for then I should bring no judgement back save that which I have brought with me and redoubled.

The first thing that greeted him at the docks had been the great bustle and noise in a thousand tongues of men and some far stranger sounds, hisses, roars, and lilting otherworldly songs that hung in the air, but even as his ears were bewildered his nose was relieved, the stink that inevitably followed whenever men had to live close together in a wooden boat with naught but salt water to bathe themselves in gave way to fresh clean air, and not just on account of the briny breeze. There was nothing of the stink that clung to cities like gnats on a masterless dog. Oh there were smells aplenty, of course, spices from the east floated up the quay, rare fragrant woods from Sothoryos being carried to the warehouse looming in the east fit to cover the sun, and street food roasting and sizzling for those who had the coin for food but not a roof to eat it under.

Or maybe just those who didn't have the time, Franklyn thought. There was a lot of meat on those spits and it wasn't the sort of mystery meat that sometimes made its way to the docks of Sunspear for those without the means to pay for more. A prosperous people content in their lot, the priest nodded to himself.

Having seen how the needs of the body were cared for he thought to ask of those of the soul. Rather than going right away to the Great Sept King Viserys had raised, he went instead into the houses of those who were said to speak for other gods, for he was a child of Dorne and such arrangements were not unknown to him. He had never seen the harm of it. If gold be pure then it would bear the scales and if Faith be true then it will stand fair and true among the words of the outlander, so said the Book of the Smith.

What he found was strange and troubling at times, but heartening, for though the shedding of blood was common in some of the temples most called upon, such as that of the Great Serpent or the green groves of the Old Gods, in other places it was counted an ill-fated offering. Even the priests of the Red God who counted King Viserys their savior gave but small offerings to the flame, far less than he had seen in his youth in Volantis. They said that the Dragon King refused to be recognized as their 'Azor Ahai' and that they counted it a test. Franklyn suspected it was simpler by far than that; King Viserys would not set his throne upon any altar, for he did not trust them to bear its weight.

A heartening thing for a missionary come to bring the word of the Seven-Who-Are-One to be sure, for when a man could work miracles by his own power and he was there to touch and see with the naked eye, why would those he had raised up not think him god? Raised up from the Pit in some cases, the septon shuddered as he considered the scourge of slavery. It was not all of one piece, of course, few things born of the mind of men were even the most sinful. There had been slaves more fortunate than the smallfolk in some parts of the Seven Kingdoms, but many places were much, much worse.

So it was that on the seventh day of his stay that the septon went among the septs, and there were many more besides the grand one that the Dragon had chosen to raise, and there he found much of what Brother Lucan had feared, men of little learning mingling the faces of the Seven with foreign gods and saying that you could worship half of the Seven and half some other Power, but he found much of what had been hoped for but not thought of. Men and women of charity and great heart, virtue not only among those who had been lowly and wished to raise up those whose sorry state they recalled all too well, but among those of means also, knights, merchants and master craftsmen. Wealth and ease had not made the folk forget virtue and instead chase after more of it paid in the blood of their fellows. It made them give with an open hand as they had seen their King do time and again, and not just for his greatness but for their lives to be better.

Seek not to tear down the might of princes and make yourself a throne of rubble, but bring all men together into the light wholehearted, so it was written in the Book of the Mother. Only a fool would preach against the Dragon King here, even if Brother Lucan's pledge did not bind him, but you could preach virtue here and be heard.

And so with these three verses the septon began his letter back home.

OOC:As is probably obvious from the update, really good rolls this time around. Not everyone was as convinced as Septon Franklyn, but he is pretty representative of the mood of the missionaries
Here's an edited version of the chapter, DP.

Way to go, Sorcerer's Deep, you're winning the hearts and minds of Westerosi clergy by being awesome! :p

Nice interlude, DP. Franklyn seems like a reasonable sort, but I'm sure there were some who saw sin and depravity in every street corner, and madness and blasphemy in the heart of our citizens.
 
OOC:As is probably obvious from the update, really good rolls this time around. Not everyone was as convinced as Septon Franklyn, but he is pretty representative of the mood of the missionaries
So they were pretty convinced that if nothing else, we are very very concerned with the well-being of our people? I mean true if nothing else we have paid close attention to religions and not in how to stifle or control them, but instead how to moderate extremism and even help them tend to their flock in more material and immediate ways without also trying to use it as bribery or subvert their clergy while doing so.

Still while we do it, we acknowledge it as pure politics, and we never hand over any secular power, but to be blunt in SD and elsewhere, the State is handling all of the people's secular needs, or expanding in an unprecedented manner to service them, and doing it far better than the Faith probably could.

So fighting us for more influence over people's daily lives might seem like folly.
 
Here's an edited version of the chapter, DP.

Way to go, Sorcerer's Deep, you're winning the hearts and minds of Westerosi clergy by being awesome! :p

Nice interlude, DP. Franklyn seems like a reasonable sort, but I'm sure there were some who saw sin and depravity in every street corner, and madness and blasphemy in the heart of our citizens.

Not as such, oh there were a few who were deeply troubled and went home early, but no one went 'burn the heretics'. It's just not something they could justify to their fellows or themselves. It could have gone either way but in this turn of the proverbial wheel people who were used to seeing the medieval hellhole that is Westeros were greeted with a city that worships strange gods, even that worships the Seven wrongly yes, but also place where people look to the future with hope and to their fellow man with kindness.
 
Not as such, oh there were a few who were deeply troubled and went home early, but no one went 'burn the heretics'. It's just not something they could justify to their fellows or themselves. It could have gone either way but in this turn of the proverbial wheel people who were used to seeing the medieval hellhole that is Westeros were greeted with a city that worships strange gods, even that worships the Seven wrongly yes, but also place where people look to the future with hope and to their fellow man with kindness.
Yeah, we made Sorcerer's Deep a wonderful place for the people that live there. And we are always striving to find ways to improve it.

And true, that makes us richer by far, but then we just reinvest the money straight back into the State.
 
@Goldfish Also re: Demiplane Time Acceleration, come to think of it don't we want to use Deceleration instead if the point is to double production? Though I'm unsure of the mechanics here, even if perception of time is still 1:1 time passing outside is 2:1 rather than 1:2.

Given 2 months worth of crafting time would be 'spent' inside the crafting areas in a single month, a chamber which had the effects of time acceleration and thus aging would only be useful for stuff that takes time to prepare, like alchemy products, or animal breeding.
For metaphysical reasons ( :rolleyes: D&D balance stuff...), an enchantee can only do 200 IM worth of magical crafting per 24 hours, which they need 8 hours to accomplish. issue

If they were living within a Demiplane with time passing at double speed, that would effectively double their crafting speed, but that's kind of an issue. For it to be effective, they couldn't just show up in the Demiplane to work for 4 hours, or they would just be getting their 8 hours of enchanting for the day done in half the time. It would give them more time to do other stuff with their day, but wouldn't help us any.

Only by living and working in the Demiplane do our enchanters gain the ability to do twice the crafting as normal.
 
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So they were pretty convinced that if nothing else, we are very very concerned with the well-being of our people? I mean true if nothing else we have paid close attention to religions and not in how to stifle or control them, but instead how to moderate extremism and even help them tend to their flock in more material and immediate ways without also trying to use it as bribery or subvert their clergy while doing so.

Still while we do it, we acknowledge it as pure politics, and we never hand over any secular power, but to be blunt in SD and elsewhere, the State is handling all of the people's secular needs, or expanding in an unprecedented manner to service them, and doing it far better than the Faith probably could.

So fighting us for more influence over people's daily lives might seem like folly.

That's the gist of it. no one is too sanguine about the state of Viserys' soul, though the more hopeful among them reason that such great good (not all of which could justified as pure practicality) must count for something, but the people of Sorcerer's Deep do not worship Viserys do they, even though he would find it all too easy to arrange that for many of them? That is a significant element in many of the letters they will be sending home and in that fact there is hope.
 
For metaphysical reasons :)rolleyes: D&D balance stuff...), an enchantee can only do 200 IM worth of magical crafting per 24 hours, which they need 8 hours to accomplish. issue

If they were living within a Demiplane with time passing at double speed, that would effectively double their crafting speed, but that's kind of an issue. For it to be effective, they couldn't just show up in the Demiplane to work for 4 hours, or they would just be getting their 8 hours of enchanting for the day done in half the time. It would give them more time to do other stuff with their day, but wouldn't help us any.

Only by living and working in the Demiplane do our enchanters gain the ability to do twice the crafting as normal.
Could not Dedicated Wrights take advantage of this? True the crafters would have to be present to direct them after they accomplish each bout of crafting, but the time spent giving directions would be an eyeblink and barely shave a few extra minutes off their lifespan in comparison to spending months there at a time.
 
Nice interlude, DP. Franklyn seems like a reasonable sort, but I'm sure there were some who saw sin and depravity in every street corner, and madness and blasphemy in the heart of our citizens.

Another, less lucky Septon that went to observe Best Snek's temple:

"That misguided soul is about to perform an iredeemable sin"

"Excuse me sir, I'm about to sacrifice this goat to know if my son should travel to Tyrosh today or wait until tomorrow. I want him to be as safe as possible. One never knows with the weather these days."

"You are ending a life to satisfy your selfish needs!"

"Well, yeah, would you like me to simply eat the goat? This way at least the Snake will tell me if my son will be safe."

"You are satisfying the hunger of an eldritch being, buying favors in blood"

"Sir, I bought the goat. The blood has already been paid for. And if I were to instead buy cooked goat chops, I would have still paid for its death. It was raised for that. Or are you less evil for simply murdering them for food instead of divining the safety of your relatives?"

"..."

*Back at Westeros*

"Lucan, I can't do this mission. They are using logic!"
 
Complete tangent, but gotta share...

I just saw a TV commercial advertising his current show where Bear Grylls used a bag of urine as a magnifying lens in order to start a camp fire. A bag of urine... o_O

Richard needs a MirrorVision program, maybe called The Swording Hour, where he gives tips on fighting inhuman monstrosities.
 
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