So I thought about doing CoB but that is a lot of rolling and I don't think I'm up to it this late if I'm going to do three updates today. Is there anything else you guys would like to see interlude wise? I was thinking Septons in the Deep reactions.
A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover
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I was wondering if we could get a look at someone in Volantis (not Zherys) now that they're part of the Imperium. They've had a bit of time to settle down, so I'm curious about how things have changed there.
egoo
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Would have us know what's up on Lucan/Danelle front, if nothing else...
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Soonish. Fortunately for us, giants take forever to decide things. Even if they contact the Night's Watch before we talk to them, the Night's Watch is sure to contact us for help anyway since we're the only ones with the resources and willingness to properly help.
The benefits of years building a good relationship with them.
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I've updated the Mind Dragon page with their preliminary write-up and the information we have for our Mighty Mind Dragons.
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[X] Takesis
ryuan
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I'd like the see the minds of the Septons, @DragonParadox, if only because I want to see what goes in their minds when they realize that whatever they do the threat of Heresy will hang over their heads, and they will need to choose between two several poisons: not-Crusades, Lobotomizing their gods with the Heresy/Schism that will follow, or give special "Viserys Targaryen Exceptions" to whatever Viserys dos and indirectly suborning a spritual power to a temporal one that goes against their beliefs.
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This is tempting to me...
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Bah, the septons under our employ would just lay out the Doctrine of Exceptionalism and be done with it. The invesigators will either accept it or report to Lucan. Which I don't give a damn and still wish we proceeded with that Planetar fight.
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[X] Recieve the report on what happened to Hardhome and what was causing Bloodraven's birds to malfunction.
I would like the Septons in the Deep reactions @DragonParadox
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Honestly while we could have taken them the whole bullshit regarding the conclave was so exhausting that the thread just wanted it done with. I, personally, was much too done with the bullshit that was the conclave and the constant arguing that occurred.
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And yet when the vote that directly led to a duel with Lucan won due to thread-distraction it was immediatly retconned on popular demand and replaced by more diplomacy with them.
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In our upcoming meeting we'll clarify whether or not there's any kind of compromise to be had. I'm guessing no, since he's already not a fan of everything we stand for, and his septons should go back to him and confirm his stance.
Yeah, that retcon was badly handled to put it lightly.
OK, doing the septons interlude.
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I recall a lot of bitching and whining till the decisions was changed after the fact. Again I went along with it because at that point the constant near week of whining and tests had broken me to the point that I couldn't care and went along with it. That retcon was poorly handled imo. At this point I just want to know at this point where all that bitching even went anywhere. Whether there is even a chance. We still need to humble the Seven after all. Plus I did say that we wanted the conclave done and over with. Whether through diplomacy or fire we got it over with. Now we have to deal with more diplomacy with him and hopefully we don't decide to bend over backwards to please the Cleric/Paladin/whatever the fuck he is.
The thread was going kind of crazy around that time and bouncing back and forth between a lot of positions. Either option would have worked, but we ended up not following through on anything
The chosen kind of rolled us during that negotiation; we got exactly nothing from them that we couldn't have gotten by explaining what the fey were trying, and gave them a huge amount of time to prepare for us.
That's why we're in such a pickle right now; we started a plan to fight them, half stopped to talk, then tried to negotiate without a clear goal. Now we're stuck in an antagonistic posture without the ability to take out an opponent we've given damn good reason to try and kill us.
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It didn't help that the entire arc had been dripping with antagonism in the thread. That didn't help the situation at all. It was like adding kerosene to a car and then torching it. That best describes that entire time leading up to the end of that arc.
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@BronzeTongue I agree in that we need a concise game plan going in to any negotiation with them. So here is what I suggest. Rather than running in like a headless chicken we make a plan. Let's answer some questions.
What do we want from the Seven? What are we willing to give them in exchange? Are there any prior contracts we have that may effect negotiations? What do we know of them and their opinions of us?
First we start with these questions. Then we make a list.
What do we want from the Seven? What are we willing to give them in exchange? Are there any prior contracts we have that may effect negotiations? What do we know of them and their opinions of us?
First we start with these questions. Then we make a list.
egoo
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Honestly, if the choice comes up to "Be stuck in an indecisive, awkward negotiating position again and waffle around reaching nothing again" and "fuck the promise we made, screw what OGs may think of us breaking it, we are killing Lucan and Danelle now", I would always go for the second, no matter how OOC that may be, or how innocent Danelle may seem to some.
Sacrifices have to be made at times, and I trust DP enough as a writer that he won't stray from Lucan's characterization that we won't be turned away from a need to kill him as a clear detrimental factor with little saving grace to him, his worldview, or his actions.
If ye guys can make a good plan for diplo-engagement, sure, go ahead, but I'm too deep into it to turn away from murder-planning, nor am I good enough at compromising to even try.
Sacrifices have to be made at times, and I trust DP enough as a writer that he won't stray from Lucan's characterization that we won't be turned away from a need to kill him as a clear detrimental factor with little saving grace to him, his worldview, or his actions.
If ye guys can make a good plan for diplo-engagement, sure, go ahead, but I'm too deep into it to turn away from murder-planning, nor am I good enough at compromising to even try.
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Goldfish
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A lot of that is because, despite being our enemy, Lucan is not quite the kind of enemy we were expecting. We had built him up to be a rabid fanatic, and assumed his reasoning and rationality would suffer for it, but that wasn't the case.
We didn't lose in the exchange, but we didn't win either. Getting the information on the Court of Stars disseminated was vital, and we accomplished that well enough. We also learned a great deal about the politics of the Faith in Westeros while helping to solidify their official stance that magic is not inherently Evil. That will be a big help for us post-Conquest.
And while Lucan is still around and he remains an obstinate foe, we did manage to establish semi-cordial relations with Danelle, such that we were able to peacefully meet at a later date to exchange vital information. Remember, that's how we learned Jayne Weaver wasn't the only meat puppet infiltrator the Deep Ones were using.
When the time comes, Lucan will either now to the inevitable or we will kill him. Full stop, Do Not Pass Go, Dead. I've been looking forward to it, and his pet Planetar isn't quite the deterrent it once was.
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OK before things get too heated let me say I admit once again that the conclave arc was handled badly in a lot of ways and will do my best resolve the plot threads it spun out in a much more satisfying manner one way or another. There will be no more akward waiting and no more retcons, promise.
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