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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Trek said:
Remote-controlled hunter seekers then. Indeed having them be autonomous would present quite a bit of risk.
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I would really much rather use those bolt caster weapons designed for the Inquisition. And keep that ammunition variant locked deep inside of a maximum security vault.
 
Deliste said:
Very much the opposite on this, they share equal responsibility for this nonsense and I'd much rather turn the whole damn lot into the Red Wastes Mk II than let some idiots bank on coming out on the right side of a 50/50 shot the next time.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
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I was never big on doing that, I'm just saying that not even trying to go with a diplomatic approach and jumping straight to threats is something hard for me to swallow. I usually try to reserve that for stuff we wouldn't really stomach allowing into our realm without undergoing categorical and fundamentally complete changes. So... demons, basically. And that's mostly because a demon is probably 70/30 in support of threats of violence as opposed to sitting down to share a cup of tea.
 
My man, Tman, is liking up a storm as far back as Rhaella's resurrection.

And it's depressing me, because now I remember when I used to be funny.

...right around now Snowfire would be replying "I don't!" *chuckle*

All of my favorite people are gone, so now I'm just sad. :(
 
You know, with the glass suranges, we may be able to create vaccines. That discovery alone should save thousands form different deadly diseases and such. Much better than using a spell slot for cure wounds, that and we may be able to create medicine that needs to be directly injected into the blood for a much better effect.
 
Speed53066 said:
You know, with the glass suranges, we may be able to create vaccines. That discovery alone should save thousands form different deadly diseases and such. Much better than using a spell slot for cure wounds, that and we may be able to create medicine that needs to be directly injected into the blood for a much better effect.
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Qyburn would likely be the guy to put onto this. He might be basically Fantasy Mengele, but the's also interested in advancing the practice of medicine, not JUST necromancy! And we have plenty of ways for him to test results without performing torturous experiments on anyone. :V
 
Crake said:
Qyburn would likely be the guy to put onto this. He might be basically Fantasy Mengele, but the's also interested in advancing the practice of medicine, not JUST necromancy! And we have plenty of ways for him to test results without performing torturous experiments on anyone. :V
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Very true, along with the more he succeeds the more population growth and fortitude our population will have. Hopefully making deadly diseases much easier to cure or hold off.
 
Crake said:
My man, Tman, is liking up a storm as far back as Rhaella's resurrection.

And it's depressing me, because now I remember when I used to be funny.

...right around now Snowfire would be replying "I don't!" *chuckle*

All of my favorite people are gone, so now I'm just sad. :(
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Its quite sad, I never even got the chance to interact with people I read post so many interesting things way back. But I guess thats the nature of quests that run years. :(
 
Crake said:
I was never big on doing that, I'm just saying that not even trying to go with a diplomatic approach and jumping straight to threats is something hard for me to swallow. I usually try to reserve that for stuff we wouldn't really stomach allowing into our realm without undergoing categorical and fundamentally complete changes. So... demons, basically. And that's mostly because a demon is probably 70/30 in support of threats of violence as opposed to sitting down to share a cup of tea.
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I'll near always support initial diplomacy, in this case I'd just make it very clear either both of you come out the other side of this in agreement or neither of you do at all.

I have no respect for anything couched in the reason of "tradition" alone, I've yet to see any single example where there wasn't a good reason other that would better serve the argument and I doubt I ever will.
 
DragonParadox said:
OOC: I could of course have just had Lya identify this, in which case it would have just ended up on the sacrifice list most likely, so I gave Tuin some rolls to figure it out in his own spare time. He did and then he had a philosophical discussion with the tattered remains of the spirit of a priestess of Lolth. The result of said conversation was a resounding 'fuck Lolth'.
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Bravo DP, big fan of the link to the past and what appears to be the beginning of a movement even if it's years down the line.

Llolth is everything Viserys despises in a leader, divine or not so it makes sense that his Empire facilitates the operation of a counter movement.
 
egoo said:
Eh.

The orb is just laying there, being ominous and all not doing anything.
Literally.

We can't reasonably use it because that Red is too Red to listen (as per earlier DPs ruling), and we can't use the Orb as intended because we have Dragon friends/minions.

If we feed it to Yss and he succeeds in nomming the dragon (3/6, or something? 3/9?) At once - we get him a power-up, and ourselves a sacrifice enough for a dose of his special, "You-Can-Kill-a-God-with-this-Shit"- Divine poison.

If he fails, he noms the dragon and does nothing (because helping in that fight is considered payment for the dragon on itself).

Either way it goes, we are pretty much all but guaranteed to win - and 3/9 are pretty good odds as far as I'm concerned, when that sort of reward is at stake.


It isn't really "potentially unleashing and benefitting vs Guaranteed eating", afaik, or at least it wasn't 4 months ago IC.
It was that if it's released, we can either deal with it ourselves, or have Yss halp - but the latter would count as payment for said sacrifice.


@DragonParadox, did Yss get stronger metaphysically in that regard?

What are the chances on eating the orb with the Dragon inside it now?
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Iirc Yss can either eat the container or the contents, he cannot do both no matter the sacrifice.
 
@Deliste Naw, DP specified Yss can eat both, with a chance for failure in consuming the wyrm with the orb. Eating the orb is guaranteed, the wyrm with it not so much.
 
DragonParadox said:
They would like to but the Old Gods do not have enough in common with Yss conceptually to loan him power like that.
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This is fascinating, Old God's having desires explicitly outside of their domain related capabilities.

Have we seen this before? There have been things outside their power, things that would have unfortunate consequences, things they have not known.

But things they want to help another being with but cannot because they are conceptually unrelated?

Is this a sign of the budding pantheon relationship, the desire to work together?
 
Yeah, we've seen it. They can re-prioritize, want and desire like individuals, but they are networked individuals. One dreamer can specifically broadcast their opinions or desires out into the aether, but unless there's a great proportion in the network who are of like mind, they will be drowned out and ignored.

There are lots of people who have a grudge against the Seven and Andals, lots with an older and fiercer and more desperate one against Winter. So one can be prioritized over the latter even though it is shared among many.

Just like a significant portion, one that can influence decision-making processes, can desire to work more closely with Yss since he is a central pivot point in our realm, and our realm is a large patron to the Old Gods. But because not all tasks are equal to their capabilities, they can't throw around their now significant reserves of power willy nilly. Which is precisely why we don't want to be Gods one day. Even if we only have a trickle of similar divine might to throw around every so often, being able to leverage it towards whatever we feel like is way better than full-stop not being able to apply it on anything but what it was converted toward.
 
DragonParadox said:
Abilities of the Frost Dragon:

Breath Weapon (Su): A frost dragon has one breath weapon—a cone of cold charged with negative energy. Creatures within the cone must not only succeed at a Reflex save to take half damage from the cold but also succeed at a Fortitude save or take 1 point of Charisma damage per age category of the dragon.

Oblivion (Su): An opponent who is killed or has his Charisma reduced to 0 by a frost dragon's breath weapon vanishes, leaving only his clothing and possessions. All memory of the victim similarly vanishes from the minds of those who knew of or met him as if he had never existed. He may not be raised, resurrected, or otherwise restored, even by means of a wish.
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:o
That is all.
 
Crake said:
Yeah, we've seen it. They can re-prioritize, want and desire like individuals, but they are networked individuals. One dreamer can specifically broadcast their opinions or desires out into the aether, but unless there's a great proportion in the network who are of like mind, they will be drowned out and ignored.

There are lots of people who have a grudge against the Seven and Andals, lots with an older and fiercer and more desperate one against Winter. So one can be prioritized over the latter even though it is shared among many.

Just like a significant portion, one that can influence decision-making processes, can desire to work more closely with Yss since he is a central pivot point in our realm, and our realm is a large patron to the Old Gods. But because not all tasks are equal to their capabilities, they can't throw around their now significant reserves of power willy nilly. Which is precisely why we don't want to be Gods one day. Even if we only have a trickle of similar divine might to throw around every so often, being able to leverage it towards whatever we feel like is way better than full-stop not being able to apply it on anything but what it was converted toward.
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Oh I know all that but vengeance is personal for slights directly against the OG/GreenDream, I can't think of an example quite like this and it's surprising they have aligned in this way for something that is basically "not their problem".
 
Deliste said:
Oh I know all that but vengeance is personal for slights directly against the OG/GreenDream, I can't think of an example quite like this and it's surprising they have aligned in this way for something that is basically "not their problem".
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DP... has repeatedly used words like "they like Viserys". Which is basically enthusiastic for the matter of Gods having an opinion about any one thing. They really like Viserys. He feeds them, but moreover he is doing ALL of the bullshit busywork that they know themselves not capable of. So they have delegated the preparations and warplanning and resource gathering to us and instead try to be pliable and available whenever we need a boon, and even bending their own rules to give us what we need, and sometimes even what we want.
 
Crake said:
My man, Tman, is liking up a storm as far back as Rhaella's resurrection.

And it's depressing me, because now I remember when I used to be funny.

...right around now Snowfire would be replying "I don't!" *chuckle*

All of my favorite people are gone, so now I'm just sad. :(
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Oh, is Snowfire not around anymore? That's terribly sad. Those plans right after Rhaella's resurrection were really something.
 
Crake said:
Edit: What really gets me about that whole Lys arc, we brought back our ancestor Laenor Targaryen, and really their situation was arguably even more desperate and even more shitty, yet they remained rational enough to be worth bringing back.
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*smacks forehead*

Ah shit, I forgot about it....

Ahem, about that. Why... did we choose to resurrect him? Is it another examples of our whim? Or something else entirely...

Also, this Laenor. This Laenor Targaryen is the one from Old Valyria, yes? Not that Laenor Velaryion that married Rhaenyra Targaryen in the Dance of the Dragon, right?
 
Crake said:
DP... has repeatedly used words like "they like Viserys". Which is basically enthusiastic for the matter of Gods having an opinion about any one thing. They really like Viserys. He feeds them, but moreover he is doing ALL of the bullshit busywork that they know themselves not capable of. So they have delegated the preparations and warplanning and resource gathering to us and instead try to be pliable and available whenever we need a boon, and even bending their own rules to give us what we need, and sometimes even what we want.
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I agree with you here and maybe I was reading too much into DPs phrasing, it just seemed like they wanted to help Yss and that was interesting to me. Maybe they just wanted to help us which is much more the (very recent) norm.

@DragonParadox did you mean the OG wanted to help us help Yss or they wanted to help Yss?

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Reading back over it I probably was just far too eager to see a positive relationship between them that wasn't directly using us as a bridge.
 
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Trek said:
Remote-controlled hunter seekers then. Indeed having them be autonomous would present quite a bit of risk.
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Definitely doable, there are higher level mind-swaps that don't penalize you too heavily for the host body dying.

We could make living shells intended to be magically piloted then Teleport them to a nearby location and play Magical Drone Hunting Party.
 
Deliste said:
I agree with you here and maybe I was reading too much into DPs phrasing, it just seemed like they wanted to help Yss and that was interesting to me. Maybe they just wanted to help us which is much more the (very recent) norm.

@DragonParadox did you mean the OG wanted to help us help Yss or they wanted to help Yss?

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Reading back over it I probably was just far too eager to see a positive relationship between them that wasn't directly using us as a bridge.
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They would like to help Viserys, Yss they have no feelings on other than 'not an enemy/easy coexistence'.
 
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