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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Interregnum said:
Viserys: *massaging his head* "For some reason, dealing with this whole situation instills me with an inexplicable desire to level those damn hills. I don't know how, or even why, I would do so, but you best figure out a way to settle things before I come up with a plausible justification."
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Why would they want to settle it before Viserys increase the lands value? Hills are worth less than level ground, unless there's valuable resources in the hills, if there isn't anything of worth in the hills, then leveling them just make land that's easier to farm.

Telling them we are more and more tempted to level the hills, might tempt them to hide any reconciliation from us, so we will do a valuable and expensive landscaping job for them for free.
 
Here's our Advanced Shadow Animal Sperm Whales. As always, I'm open to suggestions for names and images.

We are growing six of them this month.



Shadebreacher Sperm Whale
Advanced Shadow Animal Sperm Whale - CR 12
Size/Type: Gargantuan Outsider (Native)
Hit Dice: 15d8 + 120 (CON) = 187 HP
Initiative: +2 (DEX)
Speed: Swim: 50 ft.
Armor Class: 27 (-4 Size, +2 Dex, +19 Natural), Touch 8, Flat-Footed 25
Base Attack/Grapple: +11/+33
Full Attack: Tal Slap +23 (4d6+24) or Bite +23 (4d6+24)
Space/Reach: 20 ft./20 ft.
Special Attacks: Capsize
Special Qualities: Hold Breath, Blindsight 120 ft, Darkvision 120 ft, Low-light Vision, Damage Reduction 5/Magic, Spell Resistance 31, Shadow Blend, Shadow Step, Umbral Fast Healing 1
Saves: Fort +19, Ref +11, Will +10
Abilities: Str 42, Dex 14, Con 27, Int 8, Wis 17, Cha 13
Skills: Hide +24, Intimidate +23, Listen +25, Spot +25, Swim +42
Feats: Great Fortitude, Improved Bull Rush, Improved Spell Resistance (x4), Iron Will, Power Attack
Languages: Draconic & Aquan
Alignment: True Neutral

Shadow Blend (Su): In any illumination other than bright light, a Shadebreacher blends into the shadows, giving it Concealment (20% miss chance). It can suspend or resume this ability as a Free Action.

Shadow Step (Su): The Shadebreacher can Teleport up to 150 feet as a Move Action, so long as it starts and ends this travel in dim light or darkness. It can use this ability once every 1d4 rounds.

Umbral Fast Healing (Ex): The Shadebreacher gains Fast Healing 1 when in areas of dim light or darkness.

Hold Breath (Ex): The Shadebreacher can hold its breath for 162 minutes (6 x Constitution) before it risks drowning.

Capsize (Ex): A Shadebreacher can attempt to capsize a boat or ship of its size or smaller by ramming it as a charge attack and making a Combat Maneuver Check. The DC of this check is 25 or the result of the boat captain's Profession (Sailor) check, whichever is higher. For each size category the ship is larger than the Shadebreacher's size, it takes a cumulative -10 penalty on this Combat Maneuver Check.

Skills: Shadebreachers receive a +4 Racial bonus to Hide, Intimidate, Listen, & Spot checks, and a +8 Racial bonus to Swim checks.
 
Duesal said:
Bloodraven Lore​

1. Landwarden, Lich, & how to successfully sacrifice both. And also if the Old Gods would be willing to work in concert with Yss and the Merling King.

2. Get Dark Sister and that staff of Weirwood Bloodraven showed you in a vision, as well as learning how to use the staff and learning of all effects (and finding out if there's anything more to Dark Sister than being a sword of Valyrian Steel).



3. Learn the Day of Change ritual to sacrifice magic items to the Heart Trees.

4. Learn of the surviving Children and speak to them, and of course try to recruit them. You could probably get their numbers back up. (I mean, we're getting access to Limited Wish and have been given a green light by DP to grant fertility.) If the Children aren't completely determined to end their own species they should at least be interested. More than that you need a reliable druid of the Old Gods to help with the Genius Loci sacrifice. But you would, of course, welcome any and all Children of the Forest who decide to make the journey south with you.




5. IC learn of the Others. Nevermind, you already know of the Others. You've known for years. IC learn of the Others' powers, motivations, hierarchies, society, weaknesses, etc. You've known beings of magic to be wholly immune to lesser mortal weapons. Would any of the weapons you currently have access to be enough to harm such creatures? Ask if Valyrian Steel would harm the Others.



6. The Night's Watch obviously needs all the help it can get. Can't the Old Gods hand out blessings in preparation for the Long Night? Making Night's Watch men into Rangers, Druids, Bards, Barbarians and basically anything that will help them. This should be well within their abilities, yes?

7. Tiamat had an Aspect present on Prime Material, which we then defeated, but she was trying to awaken dragonlords that have slumbered since the day of the Doom. She successfully made away with two of the eight sleepers. We managed to kill the third, and recruit the fourth to help us fight Tiamat. The remaining sleepers were sealed away. Any advice on dealing with the Blackfyre now that we're entering the realm of existential crisis?

8. Tiamat once tempted us with the secret knowledge of the Great Other's weakness.
Have you any ideas on what that could have been?

9. We killed the Aspect, and we took the corpse as is our right. But there are concerns that since it is literally made of Tiamat, that she will be able to easily scry on or otherwise influence anyone who uses or wears anything made from the corpse. Are we justified in those concerns? If so, could the Old Gods help block off any connection Tiamat has to the Aspect, much like they did with the Assassin Devil's amulet? Perhaps a throne made from the skulls or something of the sort. Armor crafted of its hide. Bows of dragonbone. Lutes of dragongut. Just so long as we're not forced to throw away the corpse of an entire dragon.


10. We have received lore from beyond this world of how Prime Material came to be, and how the Singers first populated this world. The lore tells of how a serpent created by a fire god who coveted Prime Material betrayed her master to the Singers. After the powers that be banished the fire god to the void, the serpent convinced the Singers to make her a guardian of Prime Material, and they granted her divinity, and she grew great and terrible with many heads. Was this Tiamat? And did she go to war against the Old Gods? Proceed to learn of that war.

11. We have learned of a great catastrophe called the Sundering, and have reason to believe it was the fault of the Chromatic Dragons. Apparently it was so terrible that it severed Prime Material from the other planes. The Upper Planes supposedly suffered the most. The Fields of Elysium sundered, Mount Celestia crushed to rubble. What can you tell us of that?

12. When she became a cleric of Tiamat, Dany saw a vision of Chromatic Dragons battling the oddest... metal-colored dragons, and in my own dragon dreams I dreamed of a kobold with scales of gold in proto-Valyria who helped the early Valyrians overthrow their chromatic dragon overlords. In the dream when the kobold was asked of his god, he would only say that it was the god of the "Lost Dragons". And when we asked an Archon (of the celestial kind) who became our ally of these metal dragons, they told us the name "Bahamut". What do you know of the war between the two kinds of dragons, and why did the metal-colored dragons seemingly lose? What do you know of Bahamut?


13. In the same vein of the last few questions, ask the Children of the Forest of their tales of the Dawn Age, the Heroic Age, the Long Night, and the Andal Invasion and record them in an empty book. Remember everything you don't record and resolve to write it down later at the earliest opportunity.

14. Learn of how Bloodraven grew into his own magic before magic went through its great rebirth.

14. Inquire if he knows anything of Valyrian lore, or dragonlore. You've come into possession of a dragon's egg and you're preparing to start hatching it, and you'd like to avoid a Summerhall incident.


16. As a followup, ask if he knows what caused Summerhall.

17. What Targaryen heirlooms does Bloodraven know of, be they in Dragonstone, Summerhall, or the Red Keep? Just as the lands Beyond the Wall have the Builder's Anchor, are there any magics in the ancestral Targaryen holdings? Any sealed artifacts? What of in Raventree Hall?



18. Ask if he knows anything of the properties of dragonsteel. You've come into possession of a considerable amount of it over the course of your efforts to keep the world from being overrun, and you have some vague notions of the properties and forging/reforging methods through echoes of memory in your blood and through observation and experience, but it's a far thing from actual mastery of the subject. Perhaps in his long years Bloodraven has learned something you have not? (Known: Valyrian Steel is heated in dragonbreath and quenched in fiendsblood, and also the blood of lots and lots of slaves. It can only be reforged in blood. It is smoky grey-black in color. It always holds its edge. It corrodes at all other metals. It has a special affinity for fire enchantments, and with armor it can be used to shrug lesser spells off. Great spikes of Valyrian Steel were used to harness the power of the Fourteen Fires.).

19. Ask about the "Shadow of the Wall" you heard about from Vellamo the Selkie.

20. How on earth was the Builder's Anchor built? What did it cost? How long will it last? Is there anything we need to do to make sure it's not destroyed by the Others? ... Is it bound to the Wall?


21. We have seen two example of First Man wards through the dreamlands, first in Runestone and next in Winterfell. Can you tell us all known effects of these wards and what magics it would take to build wards of our own?

22. What secrets went into building Runestone, Winterfell, Storm's End, and the Wall?

23. Talk to him about your recent truce with the Deep Ones and your battle with Devils in White Harbor, and also about how the Devils attempted to assassinate Renly Baratheon during your parlay with the man, which would have forever tarnished your image had you succeeded.

24. Further elaborate on the Renly situation in general, on what Renly is, and on what agreements you've come to with him and what you resolve to do.

25. Now that it's safe to do so, ask about the Wildfire in King's Landing. How unstable is it? How do we move it? Could the Old Gods move it with a potent enough sacrifice? Where does Wildfire originate and how is it made? We know that Aerys brought the Alchemist's guild from Volantis, but what about before that? Could we move it to the Deep One City and blow it up there?


26. What does Bloodraven know of the "Deceiver"? What does he know of the Doom? You've had this vision of the Doom:
What exactly did you see? The connection with Wildfire is... concerning.

27. Why exactly did the dragons just get smaller and die out? It's been whispered that the Dragonpit is cursed. Is there any truth to that? It was built on the ashes of the Sept of Remembrance, and you've recently learned that the gods are all real... And what do you know of hatching dragons?

28. Waymar Royce's younger sister, Ysilla Royce, has in her eagerness to reunite with her exiled brother and her ignorance of the danger, bargained away a favor to one of the clansmen who then took that as payment in exchange for passing a message to us through the Heart Trees. Since the message came through the Heart Trees, you've no doubt that Bloodraven is aware of the situation in some fashion. Bring up the subject and make it clear that if Bloodraven's pawn uses her favor over Ysilla to force her into an unacceptable situation you will not tolerate it, and neither will Waymar.

29. What plans are in place for the Starks? They alone of all the Lord Paramounts still worship the Old Gods, and earlier Bloodraven gave us a prophecy that if we aided them in their time of greatest need they would be loyal to us in gratitude.

30. Dany has seen the hand of the Old Gods upon the youngest Stark girl. What's going on there?

31. Tell us how to train druids. Better yet, help us do it. For example, we've two young girls--Reva and Liset--who can already hear the voices of the Old Gods. Could you train them as druids? Could you send one of the Singers to help us train Druids in preparation for the coming Long Night?

31. I'm sure you've noticed by now, but we have our own demiplane. This demiplane has a dracolich bound within it, serving as some sort of power source for the wards. Unfortunately it does not like being bound and has made the transport of the demiplane difficult. Can you help us find the phylactery so we can get rid of it?

32. Fish for information that Bloodraven has been gathering on the various supernatural going-ons in Westeros. He told us that his vision is clouded in Essos where the "Ifequevron" dwell (see if he'll tell us anything more about them), but that should not be the case for Westeros itself. This is our chance to learn of current events in a way that completely surpasses mere rumor and hearsay.


33. Bloodraven might not be able to see in Essos due to there being no Heart Trees that have grown there in an age, but he can see in Westeros. What great secrets and important does he know that he can share with us? Just as Ned Stark has the secret of Jon Snow not being his bastard son, but in truth being his nephew, what secrets are there in Westeros that would bring the Seven Kingdoms to its knees? What of Houses Lannister and Baratheon?


34. Ask if there is any truth to the legend of the Baratheons being descended from the Storm God through Elenie Stormborn's marriage to Durran Godsgrief. How might such a bloodline manifest? Has it manifested anywhere among the Baratheons or their bastards?

35. Regarding the Seven, they have not been complacent. While in Dorne we learned of a Cleric of the Seven running around and healing people and the like:

And recently in the Stormlands we met a young Brienne of Tarth who was blessed by the Warrior, a budding paladin. With Brienne in particular we would prefer to slowly turn her away from the Seven, to both take away a powerful follower of the Seven and so we don't have to fight the poor girl. For the others, that's up in the air since we don't know them, but we would see turning them also away from the Seven as a good alternative. The question is thus: how many other clerics and paladins of the Seven are there? And where are they? Which of them will give us the greatest problems?

36. What does Bloodraven know of the nature of the Seven themselves? Not the corrupt and decadent Faith in King's Landing and Oldtown, not the zealous preachers in backwater hamlets, but the actual gods. Where did they come from? Why did they send their followers to invade Westeros and slaughter the Children and burn the Heart Trees? Why do they hate all magic that isn't theirs? Also, what artifacts of the Seven does Bloodraven know of?

37. When we made our pact you asked that we end several lines strong in the Faith. Can you elaborate clearly and explicitly what the Old Gods expect us to do and how they expect us to do it? What does the "ending" of a line constitute? Is it killing everyone? Making the entire family barren? Sending males to the Wall and females to the Silent Sisters? Somehow turning all of said families away from the Seven? What would the Old Gods consider to be "humiliating" the Seven?

38. Ask of the giants gathering in great numbers at the Fist of the First Men.

39. Ask of the great Bear Spirit that has been troubling the Crab Men and the Night's Watch both. Is it related to the Old Gods? It seemed to be intimately familiar with the coming Long Night.

40. Ask of the "Winterborne" and what monsters have become Other-Touched aside from the Peryton you battled. To be clear, this is asking for a comprehensive list of what we're going to be going up against.

41. What was the Great Fire that the First Men claimed to be fleeing from when they fled the east? Was it dragons? The Fire God we asked of? Tiamat?

42. Do the Giants of the North still possess any of these lost arts? Is this how they were able to help build the Wall?

43. What is the Song? How does it work? What does it take for one to learn to be a Singer? Can one learn to be a Singer? What powers do the Singers have? Does the Song still slumber or has it awoken alongside magic?

44. Ask Bloodraven to help complete the Fine Sealskin Map of the Lands Beyond the Wall, marking tribes and ruins and especially magical activity like particularly haunted ruins or sealed away magical artifacts that he wouldn't mind us recovering or that he would prefer that we recover before anyone or anything else manages to.


45. Of the ruins Beyond the Wall, ask Bloodraven to give a list of ruins that could be explored by beginner adventurers, then a list that could be explored by slightly more powerful adventurers, and lastly the places that can only be safely explored by someone of our own power. Ask for the same information of any places south of the Wall.

46. Regarding the weirwood trees, what are they? Where did they come from? Did anyone make them? What magical properties do they have as reagents and as living trees?

47. What happens if we grow a Heart Tree in Essos? What happens if we grow a Heart Tree beyond this plane?

48. Resurrect Rhaella, and ask if we can come to Bloodraven to resurrect Elia and Rhaenys as well (and inquire about what that would cost and what chance we would have with bringing Rhaenys back).

49. When the Old Gods receive sacrifices, do they consume the soul like Yss does or no? And what do they do with the soul once they consume it? How do they deal with Others and their servants?


50. Update the Legendary Map of the Farthest North, and upgrade the maps of the Seven Kingdoms.

51. Collect all the lore on First Men runes, First Men wards, how the Wall was built, how Winterfell and Runestone was built, Dawn Age history, First Men history, Age of Heroes history, Andal Invasion history, etc.

52. With the revival of the petrified Tree of the Dawn Age through a truly staggering amount of blood sacrifice, we were considering the idea of bringing your sanctuary from the Farthest Norths to its roots instead in an attempt to safeguard you against the Others and to have you closer at hand that we might commune more freely with you. Can it be done?

53. What ways are there to improve upon the Fungus Forge, get stronger creatures, get a wider variety of templates, etc?

54. Have Soft Strider go see if she can recruit more Children of the Forest to come to Sorcerer's Deep

55. Any info on the Ifequevron?

56. Could we potentially have our Runestaff of the Old Gods upgraded now that we are stronger with access to higher circles of magic?

57. What of the Heart of Winter and what potential it might have as a sacrifice?


58. We encountered a Winter Hag in Lannisport, and from her we learned of tombs of the Others scattered throughout Westeros south of the Wall. What can you tell us about them? How might they be found and rooted out?

59. What is the Realm of the Others where the great bear spirit was trapped. What is the nature of the realm, the rules it follows, and how one might enter or exit, or be trapped? What creatures haunt such a place?

60. What is the Great Other?

61. Given that a major tenant of his faith is the war against the Great Other, what can you tell us about R'hllor? Was he perhaps the "fire to the east" the First Men fled from?

62. What do you know of the flaming sword Lightbringer and Azor Ahai, the man the Red Priests claim drove back the Long Night? What do you know of the Last Hero? Were Azor Ahai and the Last Hero the same person?

63. Who is Father Storm, and what the Old Gods know of him? What can we expect given his connection to Ysilla Royce who is bound to him and Mya Stone who is born of that divine lineage and who is now in our service?

64. Update Bloodraven on Ymeri activity in the Far North, and ask what other powerful spirits and gods he's noticed meddling in the Farthest North.

64. Update Bloodraven on the discoveries in Sothoryos and about Lolth and the Underdark. Ask about the passages he's aware of, excluding the one in Old Town.
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Just stumbled onto this post, is there a reason why it's not threadmarked under informational? Seems like it belongs there.
 
Crake said:
Azema's Tits, man! Don't back down now!
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IIRC, that one woman from Yi Ti who worships us as a nascent god has been trying to work out how our Companions fit into the theology. It is entirely possible that she let slip "Azema's Tits" in public as a curse. Someone took it to be a foreign phrase but liked the visceral sound so adopted it for their own use.
 
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Isent that orb to control dragons? Don't we have a RA to learn how to use it? Why are we considering using it as sacrifice fotter?

There are plenty of enemy dragons around we can use it on, the winters dragons, tiamats dragons, the lanisters dragons, the dragons that are out and about in the world like that one evil dragon we learned about in the plane of fire etc etc.
 
Trek said:
Isent that orb to control dragons? Don't we have a RA to learn how to use it? Why are we considering using it as sacrifice fotter?

There are plenty of enemy dragons around we can use it on, the winters dragons, tiamats dragons, the lanisters dragons, the dragons that are out and about in the world like that one evil dragon we learned about in the plane of fire etc etc.
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Pretty much cause every single dragon in existence will hate you for 1 having it and 2 actually using it

Yes even the Metallic Dragons.

And thats the base item, IC its hardline slavery we don't want
 
The crazy demon said:
Pretty much cause every single dragon in existence will hate you for 1 having it and 2 actually using it

Yes even the Metallic Dragons.

And thats the base item, IC its hardline slavery we don't want
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The dragons of tiamat and the winter are already enslaved, if anything using this would give us the oportunity to free the dragons. Its not that much different from a dominate monster spell I don't see whats to hate about it.

Wasting an artifact of untold power on a one time use consumable poison is not worth it at all.
 
Trek said:
The dragons of tiamat and the winter are already enslaved, if anything using this would give us the oportunity to free the dragons. Its not that much different from a dominate monster spell I don't see whats to hate about it.

Wasting an artifact of untold power on a one time use consumable poison is not worth it at all.
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I do have to agree that what people are trying to get out of it doesn't seem like a good deal.

The Red Orb of Dragonkind is the single least urgent thing to deal with. It is safe as can be in Viserys' cloak.

EDIT: Even if we don't use the Orb to control dragons, we can use it as a foci for a ritual to hunt down hidden True Reds. It's literally the best thing for the job. There's only so much Mind Blank can accomplish, it can very much be penetrated if you've got the right tools.
 
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Trek said:
The dragons of tiamat and the winter are already enslaved, if anything using this would give us the oportunity to free the dragons. Its not that much different from a dominate monster spell I don't see whats to hate about it.

Wasting an artifact of untold power on a one time use consumable poison is not worth it at all.
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There are other Dragons in existence who we are either allies with, wish to be allies, or who are at least not yet enemies.

The Orb can only control Red Dragons, of which there are precious few left, yet using the Orb at all basically earns the undying hatred of all Dragonkind. Amrelath nearly went insane with rage merely seeing it. It's not worth the hassle of using it.

Also, the Dominate effect isn't particularly powerful. A DC 25 Will save is hardly insurmountable for any well aged Red Dragon, and it's completely useless if they can cast Mind Blank or have it in item form. Viserys can cast a much stronger Dominate Monster spell using his own magic.

Since we can't use the Orb, all its really good for us as a sacrifice of some sort. That doesn't mean we have to do anything with it right now, though. It's quite safe tucked away in Viserys' cloak.

EDIT: Best case, the Orb's Red Dragon tracking feature can bypass Mind Blank protection against Divination and we can use it to locate those Tiamat has hidden. Even if we can't, we could probably install it on our planned Air Traffic Control system to track all Red Dragons within 100 miles of SD.
 
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There are other Dragons in existence who we are either allies with, wish to be allies, or who are at least not yet enemies.

The Orb can only control Red Dragons, of which there are precious few left, yet using the Orb at all basically earns the undying hatred of all Dragonkind. Amrelath nearly went insane with rage merely seeing it. It's not worth the hassle of using it.

Also, the Dominate effect isn't particularly powerful. A DC 25 Will save is hardly insurmountable for any well aged Red Dragon, and it's completely useless if they can cast Mind Blank or have it in item form. Viserys can cast a much stronger Dominate Monster spell using his own magic.

Since we can't use the Orb, all its really good for us as a sacrifice of some sort. That doesn't mean we have to do anything with it right now, though. It's quite safe tucked away in Viserys' cloak.
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It's worth seeing if it can be used in a ritual to penetrate the Mind Blanks on those random Red Dragons the Golden Company has unleashed on the world. But even if that doesn't pan out this thing is the single least urgent concern for us. The Orb is in the safest possible place in Viserys' cloak, and we're going to need Yss in tiptop shape until Tiamat and the Deep Ones are dealt with so I'd prefer if he isn't in a food coma for the next part.
 
Trek said:
The dragons of tiamat and the winter are already enslaved, if anything using this would give us the oportunity to free the dragons. Its not that much different from a dominate monster spell I don't see whats to hate about it.

Wasting an artifact of untold power on a one time use consumable poison is not worth it at all.
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Duesal said:
I do have to agree that what people are trying to get out of it doesn't seem like a good deal.

The Red Orb of Dragonkind is the single least urgent thing to deal with. It is safe as can be in Viserys' cloak.
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Its not like we'd be using the poison on something that could otherwise be killed by stabbing it a whole bunch. The poison is a singularly unique weapon that will allow us to take down an enemy that we otherwise wouldn't be able to defeat. At least not for a price that we'd be willing to pay.

Hoarding the orb because we think we could get more out of it just means that it never gets put to use.
 
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Its not like we'd be using the poison on something that could otherwise be killed by stabbing it a whole bunch. The poison is a singularly unique weapon that will allow us to take down an enemy that we otherwise wouldn't be able to defeat. At least not for a price that we'd be willing to pay.

Hoarding the orb because we think we could get more out of it just means that it never gets put to use.
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CR 25 is hard to muster but also accomplishable through a few months of collecting high CR enemies. There is only one Orb. People are acting like there's no way to use it, but they also haven't bothered get any IC opinions beyond a few initial reactions, so I'm not in support of hastily getting rid of a powerful artifact when it in fact isn't the only means of paying for that venom.

Also doing this anytime soon when we need Yss awake for potential disaster against Tiamat or the Deep Ones is a pretty bad idea.
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EDIT: Best case, the Orb's Red Dragon tracking feature can bypass Mind Blank protection against Divination and we can use it to locate those Tiamat has hidden. Even if we can't, we could probably install it on our planned Air Traffic Control system to track all Red Dragons within 100 miles of SD.
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Yeah, this would be an incredible feature if we can figure out how to use it.
 
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Interregnum said:
Its not like we'd be using the poison on something that could otherwise be killed by stabbing it a whole bunch. The poison is a singularly unique weapon that will allow us to take down an enemy that we otherwise wouldn't be able to defeat. At least not for a price that we'd be willing to pay.

Hoarding the orb because we think we could get more out of it just means that it never gets put to use.
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No we are already dumping so much into that trap, this poison will not only make the corpse contaminated and unusable for us it will also burn up a unique powerful artifact that we cannot replicate just for a 1 use poison. We have a lot of enemies on the same level as Tiamat if we can't fight her without burning our unique artifacts than you should consider that we will have to do this for other enemies too.

There's got to be a better use for that thing than just sacrificing it for a 1 use item.
 
Duesal said:
CR 25 is hard to muster but also accomplishable through a few months of collecting high CR enemies. There is only one Orb. People are acting like there's no way to use it, but they also haven't bothered get any IC opinions beyond a few initial reactions, so I'm not in support of hastily getting rid of a powerful artifact when it in fact isn't the only means of paying for that venom.

Also doing this anytime soon when we need Yss awake for potential disaster against Tiamat or the Deep Ones is a pretty bad idea.
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You say "a few months of collecting high CR enemies," is something we can just go out and do. We aren't going to find 25 CR creatures just wandering around in the woods. It would be a huge drain on our available resources for months on end without any guaranteed payout.

IMO you are massively overvaluing this orb. Uniqueness does not carry any intrinsic value. Just because we "can" get the poison through other means doesn't mean that it will be worthwhile for us to do so soon enough to matter. Having more options now is more valuable than maybe having some more options some time in the future.
 
Interregnum said:
You say "a few months of collecting high CR enemies," is something we can just go out and do. We aren't going to find 25 CR creatures just wandering around in the woods. It would be a huge drain on our available resources for months on end without any guaranteed payout.

IMO you are massively overvaluing this orb. Uniqueness does not carry any intrinsic value. Just because we "can" get the poison through other means doesn't mean that it will be worthwhile for us to do so soon enough to matter. Having more options now is more valuable than maybe having some more options some time in the future.
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You've got a fundamental misunderstanding of how sacrifices work. You can stack low CR sacrifices to value as a higher CR. We could pay the CR 25 sacrifice in imps if we wanted to. Yes, it is that easy, and yes, we could do it in a few months. We aren't expecting to wander into CR 25 sacrifices because we don't need to pay that way. You're also in a huge rush for this IMO when there's no reason to be. The Orb isn't going anywhere.

EDIT: Also with the coming action against Tiamat and the Deep Ones the fact of the matter is that we're going to be getting a lot of powerful sacrifices very soon. It'll be trivial to pay for that venom soon enough.
 
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