A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover
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lockingbane
If you're crazy and you know it clap your hands!
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Um, did you mod mine?
Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
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Yeah, he gave it the propaganda treatment for more emotional oomph.
lockingbane
If you're crazy and you know it clap your hands!
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Kind of took away from the original point and just added more random slaughter though.
It was supposed to be about how the golden shields ignore the real threats in favor of imagined ones, not that they randomly slaughter people along with random members of other houses.
I mean "get back in line"? Sorry, it just seems like you went in a completely different direction.
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@tarrangar fir your SI challenge, something like "you get 20th level WBL, but no custom items".
And "no, you are not a Gamer, slaughtering chickens for 1 XP a piece won't get you to level twenty, Talon". I always figured "no infinite loops/silly RAW, as it's an actual living, breathing world, not a tabletop abstraction" didn't need to be said, but there's always someone.
And "no, you are not a Gamer, slaughtering chickens for 1 XP a piece won't get you to level twenty, Talon". I always figured "no infinite loops/silly RAW, as it's an actual living, breathing world, not a tabletop abstraction" didn't need to be said, but there's always someone.
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Crake
I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING
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It's sort of different, but it reflects what actually happened while also acknowledging that the Lannisters are completely ignoring the cause of the problem--the hungry ocean--while killing peasants in what is basically a witch hunt (ironic as that sounds).
lockingbane
If you're crazy and you know it clap your hands!
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Yes but it takes away from a clear cut message and just adds a bunch of chaotic nonsense that doesnt have anything to do with it that muddles the message.
Adding "Emotional oomph" just seemed a but ridiculous when just showing golden shields jeering and burning a young crying girl while a ton of people are being attacked from the sea makes it clear and the existing problem and events will give it all the emotional power it needs.
Heck, the caption doesnt even help clear it up only adding to the confusion.
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Crake
I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING
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Magic! *jazz hands*
I'm pretty sure this is straight forward anyway. The sea is scooping up people and their everyday life is shattered forever. The Lannisters' response? Kill the peasants.
What could possibly be miscommunicated by that?
I'll take out the random slaughter (even if it's an accurate summation of the situation) and leave the witch burning as-is, though, since that's the important part.
And the "get back into line" is integral to the whole message. The Lannisters response to the smallfolk not obeying them (making deals with monsters from the ocean) is to just start a witch hunt.
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Crake
I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING
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There, a lot less going on, but basically accomplishing the goal of the original propaganda. I mean the original goal of the propaganda, appealing to emotions and inciting outrage.
lockingbane
If you're crazy and you know it clap your hands!
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First off
That was not the message.
The message was the golden shields ignore real threats in favor of imaginary ones.
Not "The lannisters kill people for asking for help"
Second off, I am kind of peeved about how you took a simple picture that was clear cut, had a clear message, and took advantagw of existing resentment to give emotional depth and allow it to be applied far beyond the coastal settlements and then warp it into something confusing and chaotic and change the message completely.
Third, You seem to think this needs more emotion, more drama when it is pretty clear almost every settlement along the coast has some people who have lost someone to the deep ones and, despite asking for help, never got it and instead hear about the golden shields lack of response while they focus on other things despite how bad it is getting along the coast.
The comic doesnt need to be complex to give a strong meaning
Thanks.
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Crake
I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING
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Yeah, well, that's just like, your opinion, man.
Ignoring you again, because I don't like arguing with people and barely have the mental or emotional energy for honest debate.
Ignoring you again, because I don't like arguing with people and barely have the mental or emotional energy for honest debate.
Crake
I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING
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The general acknowledgement and conceit is that, yes, most of these will go to waste, but if even a quarter, if even one fifth gets read and passed along mostly faithful to the telling, maybe even changing hands, it will have a very wide-reaching effect on rumblings, and may shift the opinions of Lords/minor nobility who without a doubt will try to collect some of them, either to dispose of (they'll have a hard time with that...) or to simply sate curiosity.
Good to have you!
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Absolutely. This is in Truespeech, and it has beautiful and engaging illustrations. They're honestly works of art.
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I choose abundance.
I make challenges of honorable combat for forfeiture, starting with currency and property working my way up to challenging sovereign lords for Right of Rule.
So if I conquer the Stepstones or Basilisk Isles where do the other island chains show up? Same question for continents.
If I become the rightful ruler of a million peasants, do I now have 3 million peasants?
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How long do we want to keep these messages going? I say that we should send out a new set of propaganda two months from new either reinforcing the narrative. Or introducing a new topic
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- United States
The Propaganda is intended to be endless. There will never be a time where it becomes useless. Just that with each year more and more designs get pushed through.
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- Australia
Minimum 50% of distributions should be facts of reality to educate the smallfolk and nobility alike and/or a true and accurate representation of life under our rule as opposed to going full rail into attack ads against our various enemies.
Merely showing the shelter and sanitation available to the average person in SD will do amazing things for us.
Showing a diagrammatic representation of how we create hyper-fertile terrace farms or outright new landmass etc. is at least as powerful as showing how big of a stinky-face Tywin is.
Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
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Hell, even if just 1/20th of those who see the broadsheets bother to read them, that's more than enough to spread stories of what they saw. Gossip travels only slightly slower than the speed of light, after all.
The novelty factor also can't be ignored. High quality color images are going to be completely new to just about everyone short of the nobility. If we take care to make the broadsheets pretty, people will look at them and save them for that alone. IIRC, there was a program a century or two ago to put tiny duplicates of famous art and structures on US currency so that people who wouldn't otherwise get a chance to see the stuff could at least have some exposure.
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Re: Will it be read?
This is informative entertainment and smallfolk have downtime, this will be THE topic of conversation at every tavern, sewing circle, group harvest etc.
People talk throughout the day and this is what they will talk about.
While you've never hidden your disdain for ongoing minor tweaks to a consolidated vote you did call for exactly that
and then you changed their suggestion to the point they now disagreed with it. It may be an opinion but it was one asked for and I don't think it at all unreasonable to defend it's original incarnation.
I'll try to write up some things for this but I think Talon is going in the same basic direction.
Perhaps I should focus on Pretty/Shiny is not good, maybe using Lannisters and a gruff but respected house for the mortal parallels.
This is informative entertainment and smallfolk have downtime, this will be THE topic of conversation at every tavern, sewing circle, group harvest etc.
People talk throughout the day and this is what they will talk about.
While you've never hidden your disdain for ongoing minor tweaks to a consolidated vote you did call for exactly that
and then you changed their suggestion to the point they now disagreed with it. It may be an opinion but it was one asked for and I don't think it at all unreasonable to defend it's original incarnation.
I'll try to write up some things for this but I think Talon is going in the same basic direction.
Perhaps I should focus on Pretty/Shiny is not good, maybe using Lannisters and a gruff but respected house for the mortal parallels.
lockingbane
If you're crazy and you know it clap your hands!
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Thank you for that.
I can think of a few ideas for "Shiny =/= Good" for illustrations but not any that direcy refference houses outside of the Lannisters
Crake
I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING
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1) You pointed out my irritation toward quibbling succinctly already.
2) He was on my ignore list before, and generally people don't wind up there for dramatically offending me, but instead consistently, repeatedly and successfully causing me some minor irritation in most of their posts.
I think I'll stick to my guns, considering I unfiltered their posts long enough to accomodate them when Goldfish, who doesn't annoy me, suggested it.
Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
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Are tattoos a thing in ASOIAF? Beyond Lya's Advanced Tattoo Guardian Construct, I mean.
Just sitting here watching Ink Master on TV and I'm wondering if our Legion soldiers are sporting dragon tattoos. I can see that becoming a common practice.
Just sitting here watching Ink Master on TV and I'm wondering if our Legion soldiers are sporting dragon tattoos. I can see that becoming a common practice.