Guys remember the point about being more powerful not being morally superior? Try to keep that in mind, please. You are falling into the trap of thinking that the scale of Viserys' deeds make him always right.
Damn, ninja'd by the QM. That doesn't happen often.

But Snowfire, we can't say "look at white harbor!"
We don't know what Lucan's been up to. What is we discover that he singlehandedly saved the world too? Dannelle seems to have basically saved Oldtown without us ever having heard about it, for example.
 
Damn, ninja'd by the QM. That doesn't happen often.

But Snowfire, we can't say "look at white harbor!"
We don't know what Lucan's been up to. What is we discover that he singlehandedly saved the world too? Dannelle seems to have basically saved Oldtown without us ever having heard about it, for example.

Yup. I just had this thought. @Azel's point would be salient if not for the fact that Evil hasn't behaved in that nuanced a manner as Good had up 'til now, either, but maybe that will change too.
 
Guys remember the point about being more powerful not being morally superior? Try to keep that in mind, please. You are falling into the trap of thinking that the scale of Viserys' deeds make him always right.

Damn, ninja'd by the QM. That doesn't happen often.

But Snowfire, we can't say "look at white harbor!"
We don't know what Lucan's been up to. What is we discover that he singlehandedly saved the world too? Dannelle seems to have basically saved Oldtown without us ever having heard about it, for example.

Please note I said easiest response when I listed it, and explicitly pointed out how it was not the best one.

I'm not intending to actually use it unless Lucan tries to get into a 'who saved mostest' dickwaving competition.
 
Perfectly law abiding cult of Asmodeus*

Wait cults to good gods or evil gods?

Cause there's been zero of the prior.
 
The letter, not the spirit of course.
Laws can't have a spirit, silly. Not anymore...

In the soul markets of the Pit: "I have a law's soul here! Who wants a law's soul? Still nice and fresh! Voted in yesterday to save orphaned children, but soul-stolen immediately and used for corporate cronyism! Buy my law's soul while it's fresh!"
 
Winning vote
Adhoc vote count started by zxzx24 on May 18, 2019 at 11:52 AM, finished with 167 posts and 12 votes.

  • [X] What is Personal
    -[X] "It was not an experience I would wish to repeat, to be left little choice but to see him simply...stopped. But given the power he had been invested with, I had few options."
    --[X] Explain how you did not seek to rend Baelor's soul, nor damn him to a hell of the Old Gods' making. The blessing, perhaps curse, he had called down upon himself would have continued to return him to life no matter how many times you defeated him. You can at least be thankful that he was given peace in death. "Made my enemy by circumstance of the power he bore Baelor might have been, but he was still my kin, Danelle." Stealth reference to Rina. She's going to be extremely relevant later on.
    --[X] "But this is more a discussion for the summoner, and perhaps the ones whose words set my ancestor so irrevocably against me." If the second half gets a reaction, I'm really not going to be happy, but I'm also not going to be surprised.
    -[X] Express your desire to speak to both her and Lucan, tonight if possible, under oaths of parlay. You have clearly misinterpreted the man in some things, and you would like to rectify that in the hopes of finding some common ground or compromise. Entirely truthful.
    --[X] You will release two of those you took from Lucan as a show of good faith. The two you keep will be treated as guests, with all the respect that implies, until their release upon a peaceful resolution to the parlay.
 
Part MMDCCCXLVII: In the Balance of the Faith Part Thirteen
In the Balance of the Faith Part Thirteen

Seventeenth Day of the Ninth Month 293 AC

Your tone is no less somber than hers as you reply to the question she had not quite asked: "It was not an experience I would wish to repeat, to be left little choice but to see him simply... stopped. But given the power he had been invested with, I had few options. I did not see his soul rent nor damned to some hell of the Old Gods' making. I did it that he might be finally be at peace and not returned time and again by the dark gift he had called upon himself." It would have been a simple thing to lie without words, to claim that it had been mercy that stayed your hand, yet you do not, neither by expression or inflection do you show anything but your all too real concern for the harm Baelor might have caused.

Relief once more flickers upon her features, faint and guarded you will grant, but given the circumstances of the meeting you will count it a victory nonetheless. "I am glad he rests once more, Your Highness."

At the sound of the title you decide to make one final point. "Made my enemy by circumstance of the power he bore Baelor might have been, but he was still my kin, Danelle." A sudden suspicion comes upon you, could she have wittingly or unwittingly set Baelor upon the path that ended with Dark Sister's edge? Like a fisherman casting a lure in a still stream you add: "In any case this is more a discussion for the summoner, and perhaps the ones whose words set my ancestor so irrevocably against me."

"I fear he set his own feet upon the path," she sighs. Truth, without a single mark that she is keeping anything back and good that it is so. With one Chosen already strongly aligned against you, if not quite so much as you had imagined, you would not wish for the other to be as involved in the last madness of King Baelor.

"I would speak with you and Brother Lucan both under oaths of parley. It's clear I have mistaken some things about the man, and of you I have heard nothing but good." You offer a somewhat weary smile. "I wish we could have met under better circumstances."

The compliment does not have much of an impact, not that you had expected it to, but it is clear the Chosen of the Maiden weighs your offer carefully. "Will you free your hostages that we may meet without the threat to them hanging over the meeting?"

"I will free two of the four in addition to your own friend. The remaining two will be treated with all the courtesies one might a guest under my roof..."

"You might say they will be treated as princes considering cousin Stannis," Dany speaks unexpectedly in your mind, almost enough to draw an mistimed smile.

You suspect Danelle would not have noticed in any case, for she too is lost deep in thought. You would have suspected mental communion were you not able to see the spells upon her clearly. "It is a fair deal, Highness." You can see it almost pains her to leave two of Lucan's companions behind, but she understands the stakes and trusts your word at least in some small measure. "Which are to be freed?"

"Brother Lucan may choose any two of them, if he wishes," you reply at once, having no interest in them save perhaps to speak with them to learn more of their patron and no real way to know which is more informed.

It is clear Lucan had considered the possibility that you would free some but not all of your prisoners, however much Danelle might dislike the arrangement for she replies swiftly: "Ser Alan Waters and Theiry of the Thornwood."

Dany's reply in your mind does not surprise you as it once might: "The weaker mage and the lesser knight by far, both younger than their companions." He is more concerned with securing those who would fare worse as prisoners than gathering back his strength. Part of you is almost indignant at the implication, but ultimately the man has less reason to trust you than even Danelle.

"There is one other thing I would ask of you, Highness, as part of our agreement." She chooses her words with utmost care. "To not interfere by stealth in the deliberations of the Faith. Should you have any proposals you would wish to advance I will bring them forth myself in your stead."

There is little enough time for you to interfere now in any case with the afternoon vote mere minutes away, so you nod, your answer as guarded as hers. "I will do nothing in regards to deliberations this day. Your offer and other matters are best left for when we next speak."

She nods, not happy, but not wholly dissatisfied either, knowing well that negotiations oft come in small steps you suspect.

After scarce a couple of minutes the air ripples and twists to reveal your sister holding hands with a dark-haired pixie in armor wrought with vines and thorns with a bow nestled between her gossamer wings. A pale red-haired mage who looks about eight-and-ten stands between her and a knight about half-a-dozen years older who hastens to bow to Danelle while studiously ignoring you. The sorcerer tries to do the same but fares worse at it.

By contrast the Fey looks at Danelle and tsks. "Of all the reasons to end up in a bottle, really now. Couldn't he have...?"

"Aryssa," the Chosen says in warning, and to your surprise the Fey archer actually heeds her, though not without a dramatic sigh.

"So where do you suggest we meet?" Danelle asks, a touch distracted not just by her companion but by the sight of Dany, not quite ten and wearing armor fit for war.

Somewhere private, yet not so much so that anyone is tempted to break the rules of parley... "A private dining room at the Boar's Quill," you name a middling tavern on one of the busier streets of the city.

The Chosen nods thoughtfully, perhaps following along with the thought. "That seems a fair place to meet. This evening at the eighth hour and eight of us in total, four and four?"

Do you accept the terms?

[] Yes
-[] Write in what to do next

[] No
-[] Write in counter-proposal


OOC: You succeeded in every diplo roll, not amazingly so but it's something.
 
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Wasn't there a HT chapter ready like, yesterday?
Alright caught up again. Glad to see everyone's in higher spirits. And look at that! We have a semi functional diplomatic vote! Still have no idea how to turn it into a peaceful resolution, but it's something.

Also I am fully aware of the issues of mocking and dehumanizing our foes, I've brought them up several times. That said:

Lucan, you idiot. You lost control of your summon? Come man, you should have died because of that. I'm astonished the father still considers you a worthy candidate, that's some awful leadership.
To be fair, a God suddenly hijacking your summon and making it a Kingkiller is pretty good, so far as ameliorating circumstance goes.
 
Whew am I so glad I was worried about nothing holy shit. I was sweating bullets there for a bit.

Did we ave any actual concerns we wanted to bring forth before their conclave?

Charging for healing? Or just how... Blatantly wrong much of their holy book is regarding the nature of the spheres?
 
By contrast the fey looks at Danelle and tsks. "Of all the reasons to end up in a bottle, really now. Couldn't he have...?"
You know, this entire time I've been picturing Alyssa as a human-sized creature, sort of like a grown CotF.

This just made me realize that, hold on, she is the size of a bottle.
This evening at the eight hour and eight of us in total four and four and in the ?"
??
 
Wasn't there a HT chapter ready like, yesterday?

I've been distracted with social votes. And have a pathfinder game in like...ten minutes.

Whew am I so glad I was worried about nothing holy shit. I was sweating bullets there for a bit.

Did we ave any actual concerns we wanted to bring forth before their conclave?

Charging for healing? Or just how... Blatantly wrong much of their holy book is regarding the nature of the spheres?

That's for later. Not right now.

This was a really fun update to read. I'm going to go with agreeing and heading back to SD for now, to talk with Lucan's mages.

@DragonParadox can we assume that this meeting will remain private?
 
Wasn't there a HT chapter ready like, yesterday?

To be fair, a God suddenly hijacking your summon and making it a Kingkiller is pretty good, so far as ameliorating circumstance goes.
My issue is more that Baelor was able to ask for that blessing to begin with. I suppose it would be nonsensical if a herald of the seven couldn't ask for their blessing, but still.

Also friendly reminder that since the thread seems to be forgetting we're assholes again: We came here to shatter this countries religion because it was inconvenient for it to exist and because it would give us more power/clear some debts from gaining power. We have no moral high horse here. We would be much better served framing this in a viewpoint that remains consistent and immune to hypocrisy. Shattering the Faith is not a morally good act, but it is one advantageous to our realm and by proxy the citizens of it.

Coming to an agreement in regards to protecting the citizens/flock is probably the one thing we'll be able to agree on, the restnwill probably not be going over well.
 
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