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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Easy problem to solve. Get one of the Archons to show up, like those weird lantern guys we've got patrolling the jails or whatever, give everyone a little lightshow, she get's healed, bam, gift from the Mother, or Crone, or whichever head of this confused hydra handles that shit.

Whatever one get's her in some position to cause another schism.
 
zxzx24 said:
Im not sure she's fanatical enough for that.

She's doesnt seem like the kind of fire and brimstone hell and damnation preacher that Lucan is.

Perhaps we could push her from doubtful/concerned into "full blown paranoia"?
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The way I'm invisioning it is that we want her freaking out whenever Kyle mentions anything about the Fey. Whether or not it suceeds.
 
A_Somebody said:
Thing it while we want this Conclave to break down, do we really want to create a strong figurehead for the anti-magic faction? If we do, we're gonna have to clean it up later. I wonder if it'd be more benfical to let her naturally pass during the Conclave, have the offiical ruling that its a natural death but spread rumors that everyone and their dog at this Concalve were responsible. I mean that risks creating a Matyr I suppose, but idk about this.
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It would firmly set Maer's 105 votes against anything Lucan proposed and probably Kyle as well. She would have proof of her Divine mandate.

A solid anti-magic faction could form with her as the nucleus, one which stridently opposes other factions which embrace magic to any degree. That's what we want, right?
Snowfire said:
There's a better way to use her which doesn't require us to kill her at the end. I like reusable tools instead of missiles.
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We can use her for some time to come so long as we are careful about it.
Crake said:
Then having Dany "hi bye!" is the opposite of what you would want to do. We would have to have our thumb actively on her.
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Easy enough for Dany to visit her via Dreaming to pass along messages, instructions, and encouragement. We don't have to worry about an anti-magic fanatic being protected by Mind Blank...
zxzx24 said:
Im not sure she's fanatical enough for that.

She's doesnt seem like the kind of fire and brimstone hell and damnation preacher that Lucan is.

Perhaps we could push her from doubtful/concerned into "full blown paranoia"?
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The message Dany gives her can be chosen not to inflame her against mages in a fire and brimstone manner. She need not persecute them, but instead try to educate them, to teach them the evils of their wayward path.
 
Goldfish said:
It would firmly set Maer's 105 votes against anything Lucan proposed and probably Kyle as well. She would have proof of her Divine mandate.

A solid anti-magic faction could form with her as the nucleus, one which stridently opposes other factions which embrace magic to any degree. That's what we want, right?
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Eh an anti-magic faction to mess up getting concensus on anything, but don't know if I'd want to establish a strong Anti-Magic faction that Viserys would have to deal with once he takes over you know? I'd want to give them enough to be a spanner in the works for the Conclave but not enough to act as a main gear afterwards. But I'll be honest I'm not sure how the best way to go about this would be. Would letting her die a natural death late or after the Conclave be best? OR something else?
 
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One Autumn Leaf said:
So you want her to be like me and Crake every time fey or Tyrells are mentioned? Easy enough. Just educate her on fey society, fey deals and how they actively screw people over and then we are good.
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Or how they want to turn people into living dolls to play around with, laughing endlessly as they cyclically relive the same story over and over again until death, never having a choice of doing good or evil because someone has to be the hero, someone has to be the villain, and if you want to be great but it isn't your "role" then you'll forever just be an "extra".

Being better than devils based on the technicality that they don't intend on eating your soul. It was quite educative.

Seriously, exterminatus is too good for them.
 
@Goldfish, you have my vote when it comes to giving her a "divine" visit.

I don't really care about anti-magic faction rallying around her, since...
Well, we'll deal with those thinking that way when we take over either way.

We are not trying to make this bloodless, everyone.
We are trying to make Faith as broken as we can.

She seems fine enough a tool for me.
 
A_Somebody said:
Eh an anti-magic faction to mess up getting concensus on anything, but don't know if I'd want to establish a strong Anti-Magic faction that Viserys would have to deal with once he takes over you know? I'd want to give them enough to be a spanner in the works for the Conclave but not enough to act as a main gear afterwards. But I'll be honest I'm not sure how the best way to go about this would be. Would letting her die a natural death late or after the Conclave be best? OR something else?
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A strong anti-magic faction is, by default, incapable of being a threat. If we create one, we can just as easily dismantle it.
 
Speaking of Fey, anyone notice that the Court of Stars' goal is basically anathema to everything Viserys stand for? :V

"Better than Devils" was the only defense they could offer, but then their goals are personally offensive.
 
Goldfish said:
We can use her for some time to come so long as we are careful about it.
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Not my point. I would rather not turn her into a martyr when we can get everything we need out of her without turning her into one. By all accounts she's a pretty good person. I'd rather not give her an ending of 'murdered by Dragon' that we set up for her. Working on HT update, will get back to this later, but consider me in agreement with the general thrust of your idea, just wanting to modify it a bit around the edges. Won't cost us anything.
 
I wonder if Danny can pull the "Divine in Disguise" deal and heal her "For her kind and selfless deed of saving someone they could have ignored".

It would probably work very well if she uses her angel form.
 
You know, I think this Conclave could be reasonably resolved on the magic issue, if Lucan doesn't pull anything insane, and we could get the fey marriage thing outvoted too.
 
TotallyNotEvil said:
You know, I think this Conclave could be reasonably resolved on the magic issue, if Lucan doesn't pull anything insane, and we could get the fey marriage thing outvoted too.
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Sure, I mean, we could push our "multiple denominations" plan elsewhere and just use this to actually Get Stuff Done in an organized fashion. It would be an entirely different gameplan if so, though.
 
DragonParadox said:
"They are true goodsworn, but..." Whatever she was going to say stayed behind suddenly clenched teeth. She obviously did not want to share her thoughts on Lucan here on a public street, but her face told quite enough on its own. She did not hate the Chosen of the Father, nor did she fear him. Confusion and frustration warred briefly behind the septa's eyes. "There must have been some ill thing done there but it needn't be devils. Not every dark thing is, even these days. We humans can get into quite enough sin and evil on our own with no fiends to tempt us." The words were not addressed to her, Dany knew, more absent minded mussing.
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Politics. She views herself as a sheperd of mortal souls and their trials.

Not an empress, not a warrior, just a woman, if one perhaps blessed with a dollop more wisdom and good fortune than most.

Convince her Lucan wishes to rule or make war and she will oppose him at all turns.

The next piece I will say is thus. No angels.

Lights and sweet words and beautiful lies will not move this woman.

A barrel of water that cleans it's self, the poor and sick and tired being healed and mended from lifetimes of abuse and poverty.

These are the things she believes in. Not glittering gates and heavenly voices.

I want to flip her directly, she will oppose Lucan on principal and I like her. If he finds out she met with our faction, and she opposes him... He will be wroth.

Sorry, my inner Muse just assaulted me. What the hell did I write?



DragonParadox said:
Would she live that long?
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Dany, dear, I love you. But you can see the future remember? :rolleyes:

DragonParadox said:
She went along playing her part until the septas left her in a small soup kitchen, oddly enough run by the Faith.
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*inhale*
...
*exhale*

This is a good religion isn't it?

There's cruel mean rude and greedy septons, but many of them are just decent people trying to help others aren't they?

And... I mean that's what we WANT.

That's what we tried so hard to fight for, to make the world better, to make people better to each other.

If nothing else I want to give these people the chance to help others without having the 7 and baratheons boots fighting for room on their neck.
 
zxzx24 said:
Politics. She views herself as a sheperd of mortal souls and their trials.

Not an empress, not a warrior, just a woman, if one perhaps blessed with a dollop more wisdom and good fortune than most.

Convince her Lucan wishes to rule or make war and she will oppose him at all turns.

The next piece I will say is thus. No angels.

Lights and sweet words and beautiful lies will not move this woman.

A barrel of water that cleans it's self, the poor and sick and tired being healed and mended from lifetimes of abuse and poverty.

These are the things she believes in. Not glittering gates and heavenly voices.

I want to flip her directly, she will oppose Lucan on principal and I like her. If he finds out she met with our faction, and she opposes him... He will be wroth.

Sorry, my inner Muse just assaulted me. What the hell did I write?




Dany, dear, I love you. But you can see the future remember? :rolleyes:


*inhale*
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*exhale*

This is a good religion isn't it?

There's cruel mean rude and greedy septons, but many of them are just decent people trying to help others aren't they?

And... I mean that's what we WANT.

That's what we tried so hard to fight for, to make the world better, to make people better to each other.

If nothing else I want to give these people the chance to help others without having the 7 and baratheons boots fighting for room on their neck.
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Dany of all people trusts divination and visions the least, since she knows how mutable they are.

Anyone could take advantage of a Septa with a weakened body in a variety of discrete ways, if by "take care of" you meant "kill" rather than "heal".
 
So far, the Most Devoits we've met seem to be pretty reasonable people in one way or another.

I'm starting to think it'd be far easier to unite the Faith on our side entirely, than break it over. No one will be for Fey Marriage if we can expose their plan, and the magic issue is a non-issue for anyone who isn't a fanatic, aka anyone besides Lucan.

The septa most against it should be pretty throughly swayed once she spends a day on the House of Healing.
 
TotallyNotEvil said:
So far, the Most Devoits we've met seem to be pretty reasonable people in one way or another.

I'm starting to think it'd be far easier to unite the Faith on our side entirely, than break it over. No one will be for Fey Marriage if we can expose their plan, and the magic issue is a non-issue for anyone who isn't a fanatic, aka anyone besides Lucan.

The septa most against it should be pretty throughly swayed once she spends a day on the House of Healing.
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Eh, is there a way to pull this off and satisfy the OG too? They're a much higher priority to satisfy.
 
TotallyNotEvil said:
So far, the Most Devoits we've met seem to be pretty reasonable people in one way or another.

I'm starting to think it'd be far easier to unite the Faith on our side entirely, than break it over. No one will be for Fey Marriage if we can expose their plan, and the magic issue is a non-issue for anyone who isn't a fanatic, aka anyone besides Lucan.

The septa most against it should be pretty throughly swayed once she spends a day on the House of Healing.
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But we want the Faith splintered to a certain degree. That not only reduces their ability to act in a concerted fashion, it pleases the OG.
 
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