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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Snowfire said:
Oh this is just precious.

Love the update, @DragonParadox! And now we have a pretty good idea of where things lie.

@chryssalideater the more I look at this, the more I just want to force utter and absolute deadlock, either to make the Conclave totally useless or to force Lucan to do whatever Thing he clearly has planned.
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Echoing Crake, there is little we can do to stop Lucan, so please do enforce complete fuckfest upon this gathering of people.

Just in case. There's no schism like overschism, after all :V
 
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Okay if we want a full schism then pushing on Lucan too hard might actually be conterproductive in that we don't want people uniting against him. See the "Mongol" strategy of unifying people. But at the same time we really don't want outright warfare and blood in the streets to clean up during the conquest.

I think in general we need to find things that make each faction toxin to the other and ensure that no majorities can be passed and the entire conclave is a frustating (but not lethal) quagmire that ends with no one happy, and not in the "good comprimise" sense, but "this was a waste of time" sense.

So the major factions:
* Kyle (Tyrells): Yeah I think full on Fey marriage and essentially bending the knee to the Fey (which is whats gonna happen if the Tyrells continue to let the Court of Stars do its thing) would frighten anyone. So maybe with the help of the Maester we already talked with who didn't seem to like the idea when we told him, spread that rumor around and get people wary about anything this side proposes via the slippery slope concept?
* Ollidor (Traditionalist/'Lannister'): I actually think it'd be beneficial to try and "convert" this guy into thinking Viserys wouldn't be too bad. I mean if he's thinks submitted to the Dragon is the best way to go and make proposals leaning in that direction, if they pass thats uh not bad, but its likely it'll make him and his faction anathema to everyone else.
* Aglantine (High Septon's Rep): uh we don't really know much aobut her except she's seems charitable and kinda likes Danelle? I think her faction is small enough that we just want to make her wary of voting for anyone
* Maer (Riverlands, hates magic): Well, have her firebrand about magic and ensure Ollidar's faction and Kyle's don't get the chance to negotiate with her on anything. Push her to the hardline. Again, Tyrells and Lannisters both using magic a ton so its probably not hard to cause irreconcilable friction there
* Lucan (obvious): So Kyle and Ollidor are okay with magic but don't want a Faith Millitant or to suborn their own mages to him, Aglantine probably (?) is scared of what he wants and like Danelle more nad Maer likely hates his magic using heretic ass regardless of the magic coming from the Father. I guess make sure any "visions" Maer receives of how Lucan is 7 approved are doubted as fiend trickery and get read to dispell his atempts to magically charm people?

One Autumn Leaf said:
Type 1 diabetes...this is the one that just happens right. Nothing dietary about it?
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Yeah this one you're born with. Surprised she's lived this long tbh. Actually uhhh. Thinking About Diabetes With Every Bite Apparently it was fully terminal before artifical insulin? I mean medieval diet doesn't have a ton of processed surgars but no insulin at all kinda puts a damper on anything anyone can eat.
 
In any case, diseases relative to disorders in the immune systems are triggered by factors outside genetics. I got mine (which is not diabetes) out of stress. So this woman here is probably someone who takes very seriously her work, or feels responsible for a lot of things that happen around her, and that pressure eventually exploded into diabetes.

I mean, we could totally offer her to cure the disease, but what she really needs is a therapist long term.
 
One Autumn Leaf said:
If disbanding the faith militant took 450 votes then establishing it once more takes about the same. Lucan may have the most common cause with the Tyrell factions and he could swing the independents but even then he needs one more faction with him.
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... actually it only needed two votes. Maegor and Balerion's.:V

One Autumn Leaf said:
Remember that time where Viserys thought that maybe the maestars just wanted a monopoly of magic and found out that no they want it gone? People have completely broken Viserys expectations before with how ducking dumb they are
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We still don't know that in character. We think the Citadel wants to hoard all magic.
 
DragonParadox said:
Still she stayed her hand. Viserys would probably offer to heal her. He was kind where he could be and she deserved better than to have her distrust that kindness.
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Well now we have to help her, don't we? Regardless of political considerations, we can't let down the best little sister in the world.
egoo said:
Yes, yes, you want to kill a divine Avatar, we know.

Please keep that desire in check, we need to fracture faith here.
Us being seen fighting openly would unite them unlike anything else.

I'd gladly jump on the chance myself, if it happens anywhere/anywhen else
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Unless we manipulated them into attacking first, and made it look unprovoked. Then the onus is on them and Lucan gets politically fucked as well as heightening tensions between parties. We're more than capable of doing so, and breaking the conference without being implicated would do better to fracture the faith than almost any argument we could make.
 
Okay so what's a good issue to start the Conclave with that'll give everyone all pissed off at each other? Based on DP's post, the first day generally involves opening statements and matters of Commerce and Craft. So I imagine Kyle will try to get his foot in the door by trying to legitimize trade between the Fey and Mortals before trying to go for anything too onerous regarding Fey/Mortal relations. I'd say maybe try to get that passed, but try to ensure that there's a lot of protests from Maer's faction and that it takes a round or two for the vote to pass. Stymie it and try to ensure everyone's pissed that even the first vote is so contentious. make sure to spread rumors about how this is just leading to full on Fey/Human marriage and spread some paranoia among the others about Kyle's faction? Maybe have Ollidor object too by focusing more on the practical ways increased Fey trade could disrupt mortal industries?

IWhat are other people's thoughts?
 
I think we might want to arrange a "visitation" for Maer, one involving an Angelic figure, glowing with Divine power and Holy purpose. A childlike being who resembles the urchin child Dany played in her meeting with Maer appearing before her in her sleeping quarters, speaking in hushed tones, which still seem to echo throughout the chamber, sinking themselves into the very walls as evidence of their Holy power, blessing the devout Septa with good health, curing her of what ails her and giving her a mission, one to purge the taint of mortal magic from not just the Faith, but all of Westeros. She has earned a reprieve from the disease which would soon kill her due to the good works she committed in life, her unwavering faith in the Seven, and her willingness to speak out against the evils of magic...

In short, this would be Dany in Half-Celestial form, using Holy Aura, Angelic Visage, Air of Nobility, Voice of the Dragon, Divine Insight, Grand Destiny, Greater Heroism, Moment of Greatness, etc., casting Heal, Restoration, and Regenerate on Maer to return her to the peak of health, then using her Hallow SLA (linking something like a Dispel Magic spell to it as further proof of the Seven's disdain for magic) to leave behind miraculous evidence of her visitation.

Ready made tool. :evil:
 
One Autumn Leaf said:
I am pretty sure we got confirmation for that at some point. I am not sure when but I recall it being the case that Viserys was baffled.
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You got it from following the Brune case. You also got one more thing that even I had forgotten Visrerys should know until just now. Arcmaester Prestan, the guy counting the votes for the conclave was the behind the Brune poisoning, or at least he's the one who sent Tobyn to recover the traitorous Maester.
 
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Dany could just pull off an Angel to help here.

She just helped the little beggar girl, personally while she was pretty damn busy, so it turns out that little beggar was an angel who heals her for her deed before dissapearing.

Nice and harmless.

Edit: Dammit Goldfish!
 
A_Somebody said:
Okay so what's a good issue to start the Conclave with that'll give everyone all pissed off at each other? Based on DP's post, the first day generally involves opening statements and matters of Commerce and Craft. So I imagine Kyle will try to get his foot in the door by trying to legitimize trade between the Fey and Mortals before trying to go for anything too onerous regarding Fey/Mortal relations. I'd say maybe try to get that passed, but try to ensure that there's a lot of protests from Maer's faction and that it takes a round or two for the vote to pass. Stymie it and try to ensure everyone's pissed that even the first vote is so contentious. make sure to spread rumors about how this is just leading to full on Fey/Human marriage and spread some paranoia among the others about Kyle's faction? Maybe have Ollidor object too by focusing more on the practical ways increased Fey trade could disrupt mortal industries?

IWhat are other people's thoughts?
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Ideally we ensure as many issues go to the floor inconclusive and unpassed as possible, which might mean picking and choosing which to interfere with.
 
Artemis1992 said:
Dany could just pull off an Angel to help here.

She just helped the little beggar girl, personally while she was pretty damn busy, so it turns out that little beggar was an angel who heals her for her deed before dissapearing.

Nice and harmless.

Edit: Dammit Goldfish!
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Could backfire, Lucan's main point of leverage is moral superiority via Angels.
 
Goldfish said:
I think we might want to arrange a "visitation" for Maer, one involving an Angelic figure, glowing with Divine power and Holy purpose. A childlike being who resembles the urchin child Dany played in her meeting with Maer appearing before her in her sleeping quarters, speaking in hushed tones, which still seem to echo throughout the chamber, sinking themselves into the very walls as evidence of their Holy power, blessing the devout Septa with good health, curing her of what ails her and giving her a mission, one to purge the taint of mortal magic from not just the Faith, but all of Westeros. She has earned a reprieve from the disease which would soon kill her due to the good works she committed in life, her unwavering faith in the Seven, and her willingness to speak out against the evils of magic...

In short, this would be Dany in Half-Celestial form, using Holy Aura, Angelic Visage, Air of Nobility, Voice of the Dragon, Divine Insight, Grand Destiny, Greater Heroism, Moment of Greatness, etc., casting Heal, Restoration, and Regenerate on Maer to return her to the peak of health, then using her Hallow SLA (linking something like a Dispel Magic spell to it as further proof of the Seven's disdain for magic) to leave behind miraculous evidence of her visitation.

Ready made tool. :evil:
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Thing it while we want this Conclave to break down, do we really want to create a strong figurehead for the anti-magic faction? If we do, we're gonna have to clean it up later. I wonder if it'd be more benfical to let her naturally pass during the Conclave, have the offiical ruling that its a natural death but spread rumors that everyone and their dog at this Concalve were responsible. I mean that risks creating a Matyr I suppose, but idk about this.
 
Goldfish said:
I think we might want to arrange a "visitation" for Maer, one involving an Angelic figure, glowing with Divine power and Holy purpose. A childlike being who resembles the urchin child Dany played in her meeting with Maer appearing before her in her sleeping quarters, speaking in hushed tones, which still seem to echo throughout the chamber, sinking themselves into the very walls as evidence of their Holy power, blessing the devout Septa with good health, curing her of what ails her and giving her a mission, one to purge the taint of mortal magic from not just the Faith, but all of Westeros. She has earned a reprieve from the disease which would soon kill her due to the good works she committed in life, her unwavering faith in the Seven, and her willingness to speak out against the evils of magic...

In short, this would be Dany in Half-Celestial form, using Holy Aura, Angelic Visage, Air of Nobility, Voice of the Dragon, Divine Insight, Grand Destiny, Greater Heroism, Moment of Greatness, etc., casting Heal, Restoration, and Regenerate on Maer to return her to the peak of health, then using her Hallow SLA (linking something like a Dispel Magic spell to it as further proof of the Seven's disdain for magic) to leave behind miraculous evidence of her visitation.

Ready made tool. :evil:
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There's a better way to use her which doesn't require us to kill her at the end. I like reusable tools instead of missiles.
 
@DragonParadox I just remembered that Bloodraven gave us lore on dungeons and other problems in the other parts of the Seven Kingdoms. We were given the locations of dungeons in the North regarding such a thing but not the rest of the Kingdoms. Could we perhaps get that?
 
Goldfish said:
I think we might want to arrange a "visitation" for Maer, one involving an Angelic figure, glowing with Divine power and Holy purpose. A childlike being who resembles the urchin child Dany played in her meeting with Maer appearing before her in her sleeping quarters, speaking in hushed tones, which still seem to echo throughout the chamber, sinking themselves into the very walls as evidence of their Holy power, blessing the devout Septa with good health, curing her of what ails her and giving her a mission, one to purge the taint of mortal magic from not just the Faith, but all of Westeros. She has earned a reprieve from the disease which would soon kill her due to the good works she committed in life, her unwavering faith in the Seven, and her willingness to speak out against the evils of magic...

In short, this would be Dany in Half-Celestial form, using Holy Aura, Angelic Visage, Air of Nobility, Voice of the Dragon, Divine Insight, Grand Destiny, Greater Heroism, Moment of Greatness, etc., casting Heal, Restoration, and Regenerate on Maer to return her to the peak of health, then using her Hallow SLA (linking something like a Dispel Magic spell to it as further proof of the Seven's disdain for magic) to leave behind miraculous evidence of her visitation.

Ready made tool. :evil:
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Im not sure she's fanatical enough for that.

She's doesnt seem like the kind of fire and brimstone hell and damnation preacher that Lucan is.

Perhaps we could push her from doubtful/concerned into "full blown paranoia"?
 
Crake said:
Then having Dany "hi bye!" is the opposite of what you would want to do. We would have to have our thumb actively on her.
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Why?
She is against magic, so a subtle help that strenghtens her in body and faith would be the right support, having an actually obvious angel acting outside of healing dreams or so would go against her basic idea.
 
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