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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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The crazy demon said:
We don't really need such.

The Baratheon side current chances against us is "lol" given we can trigger the VarysBombTM with a message and the other 2 branches we like.
And the Faith is meant to be shamed by us to get the Old Gods to do something more useful than maintain their murder boner.
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This isn't about weakening Westeros.

This is about cutting down the Faith without Viserys having to wield the axe.
 
Artemis1992 said:
This isn't about weakening Westeros.

This is about cutting down the Faith without Viserys having to wield the axe.
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Fascinating...

I am genuinely doubtful of Roberts ability to actually win a war against Lucan, but with how heavily subverted westeros is it offers some definite possibilities...

Personally I am opposed because it will result in thousands of deaths. So there is that.

It's not like it would be without negative repercussions either. When we absorb westeros and the faith they would both be weaker and less useful...

Edit; enough double posts from me, I'm off! Ttyl everyone!
 
zxzx24 said:
Mmmm.

I have no idea what your hacking at.

I think your trying to say doing this wouldn't matter because well just make charging for magical healing illegal for churches?

Which... I think kind of plays out? I am totally unsure though if you could clarify.
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No, I'm saying that trying to sneak in doctrinal change to ensure the Faith provides free healthcare to prevent them from trying to establish some kind of monopoly on magical healing is pointless, because we, the state, as in, the Empire we're forming, already provides free healthcare... which will then be rolled out to Westeros when we conquer it.
 
@DragonParadox For the purpose of Banishment would the Runestaff of the Old Gods be eligible to serve as a Focus object for Banishing Angels and other Outsiders in service to the Seven? Perhaps even one of those rare items which is doubly effective?
 
Crake said:
No, I'm saying that trying to sneak in doctrinal change to ensure the Faith provides free healthcare to prevent them from trying to establish some kind of monopoly on magical healing is pointless, because we, the state, as in, the Empire we're forming, already provides free healthcare... which will then be rolled out to Westeros when we conquer it.
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Gotcha.

It is kind of redundant given the conquest...

How about using it as a wedge? Do you think that would work?
 
We get the Info on Danelles from Lord Hightower? It would help Viserys have a better picture of her and her group.
 
@DragonParadox When you get a chance, can you update the link to Shadow of the Doom under spells known in Viserys' character sheet?

A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover | Page 11528

This includes the updated Mythic text.


Shadow of the Doom
Transmutation [Fire]
Level: Sorcerer 8
Components: V, S, M
Casting Time: 1 round
Range: Long (400 ft. + 40 ft./level)
Area: 20-ft. cube/level
Duration: 1 hour/level
Saving Throw: Fortitude partial; see text
Spell Resistance: No

The area you designate becomes a blistering hot environment, immediately raising the temperature by three temperature bands. For example, if the temperature is Moderate, it raises to Severe Heat. If the new temperature is above the hot band, all surface water is turned to vapor and all earth and stone becomes igneous rock or volcanic soil (caster's choice) to a depth of 10 feet per caster level. Air within the area becomes choked with volcanic ash (cuts visibility in half) while the rapid changes of pressure and heat cause a thunderstorm.

Living creatures caught within the area when the spell is cast instantly turn to stone (as per the Flesh to Stone spell). Creatures normally immune to the spell, such as Undead, are instead treated as if they succeeded on their saving throws and take damage accordingly. If a creature successfully saves, Shadow of the Doom deals 1d6 points of Searing Fire damage per caster level. Creatures entering the area after the spell has been cast are not subject to the Petrification effect or Searing Fire damage. They are, however, subject to the normal effects of the ash fall, heat and the thunderstorm for the duration of the spell.

Objects in the area, including those held by creatures, are instantly covered in a thin layer of ash, making them slippery. When a creature uses such an item (a weapon, lockpicks, a potion, and so on), it must succeed on a DC 10 Dexterity check or it drops the item before it can be used. Fire spells cast within the area gain a +1 bonus to their caster level. Multiple Shadows may be cast in the same area to increase the effects (raising the temperature by an additional 3 bands).

The caster my designate a safe area no larger than a third of the spell's total area which will remain unaffected. Alternatively, he may select up to CL creatures to be immune to the effects if he succeeds on a Concentration check of 22 plus the number of creatures he wishes to isolate from the spell.

Arcane Material Component: A piece of obsidian.

Mythic: Damage increases to 1d8 points per level on a successful saving throw, the temperature raises by 4 bands, and those affected suffer 1d6 points of Strength, Dexterity, and Constitution damage as their flesh partially transforms into obsidian. You cannot, however, designate creatures to be unaffected by a Mythic Shadow of the Doom spell.
  • Augment (3rd Tier): You can expend two uses of Mythic power to increase the damage inflicted to 1d10 per level, raise the temperature by five bands, and the ability damage to 2d4 points.
  • Augment (8th Tier): By expending ten uses of Mythic power, the range of Mythic Shadow of the Doom becomes Line of Sight and its area of effect changes to 1,000 foot radius per caster level plus Mythic tier.
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As for the Faith and Baratheon fighting each other.....I can see it be very bloody. Robert wouldn't be alone he got his allies to back him up with whoever they got. Can easily see the war weakening Westeros for other groups to take advantage of the mess.
 
So I'm assuming Lucan is trying to pick a fight with the crown with this? As we have said there is no way the crown would allow the faith militant to ever be a thing again so are they actively picking a fight here?
 
Goldfish said:
Lucan must be planning something impressive if he expects to get enough additional votes to accomplish anything noteworthy.

Kyle's goals and Lucans's cannot possibly align, and Ollidor's are diametrically opposed to Lucan's.

Maer will oppose him by default simply due to her stance on magic.

Anglatine is harder to pin down, but she's a fan of Danelle, so not likely to align too closely with Lucan.

Even if he gained all undecided/independent votes, Lucan won't be able to accomplish anything as the factions are currently arranged.

I think he might be aiming to just completely turn over the Monopoly board and seize power within the Faith, coup style. He probably thinks his mages and Angel give him the power and authority to accomplish it with relatively little opposition.
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Are we going to have to pull another Robert and actually save the Faith from it's own fucking champion?

:facepalm:

Once again, this isn't conquest, it's babysitting with a side of training a dog not to hump a chair.
 
Evaunit02mark1 said:
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Are we going to have to pull another Robert and actually save the Faith from it's own fucking champion?

:facepalm:

Once again, this isn't conquest, it's babysitting with a side of training a dog not to hump a chair.
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Viserys: "Come with me if you want to live."
Danelle: "o_O"

So...

Dear God. He like, the 7 wouldn't actually let him get away with massacring the conclave would they @DragonParadox ?

Fuck. Would those angels even do so. What the hell.
 
zxzx24 said:
Viserys: "Come with me if you want to live."
Danelle: "o_O"

So...

Dear God. He like, the 7 wouldn't actually let him get away with massacring the conclave would they @DragonParadox ?

Fuck. Would those angels even do so. What the hell.
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He's probably, probably, not going to massacre anyone.

Kill anyone who opposes him Crusade style yes, but if they're willing to challenge him when he's backed up by Angels of the Father clearly they're heretics and apostates.

We all know what Crusaders do to heretics.
 
DragonParadox said:
Viserys is inclined to agree IC, a coup sounds suicidal.
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A coup can come in many forms.

Lucan's Planetar pal can use Mass Charm Monster 1/Day as a SLA. There's no telling what his pet mages can cast.

If Lucan is willing, he can try to subvert important delegates...in the name of the Father, of course. For their own good.
 
DragonParadox said:
Viserys is inclined to agree IC, a coup sounds suicidal.
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Now, something to keep in mind. Since this is Viserys "they can't possibly be that stupid, can they?" Targaryen who hopes that sanity prevails, but who has encountered the stupidity and shortsighted pride of Lannisters and the insanity of Blackfyre conspirators.

Lucan could accomplish the immediate goals of the coup, which would be to impose control through diplomacy or force upon the various factions present. It might be bloody, but he'd win that.

Now the question is, Lucan has to consider having basically no allies politically at this moment in time, meaning if he's savvy in any manner he would wait until his other enemies had wasted their strength on outside forces, either us or the other supernatural factions, before swooping in to claim control.

His only other option is to take on all comers before we've even started our invasion, which seems counterproductive. He would be weakening everyone for us. Not that we would prefer the continent drowning in blood long before we landed, but still. For someone who thinks we're evil and would love that, it sounds questionable.
 
I'm not sure what it says about us and this quest that we totally believe someone would go for that.

That people summon demons and daemons regularly perhaps?

*sigh* either way, aside from delivering some careful warnings best not to go to deep on this yet.
 
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