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If anything that's just additional fodder for research into transitioning from one to the other but if we need to pop over into the "middle" then okay.
A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover
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If anything that's just additional fodder for research into transitioning from one to the other but if we need to pop over into the "middle" then okay.
Goldfish
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I disagree pretty strongly about not putting any work in on the infiltration of the City of Brass. After this month ends we'll be at five months remaining of the maximum six month timeframe for the operation.
We don't need to drop everything to start on it, but we do need to get started.
This includes;
- Getting the City of Brass dossiers from the Shaitan Vizier.
- Researching the City of Brass to find a suitable location to establish a front; we'll need a place where non-Efreeti are not too conspicuous with reasonable access to the rest of the city.
- Coming up with an actual reason to be in the City of Brass to begin with; we can't just set up shop and hang around, after all. Perhaps we can look into setting up a shop that sells basic enchanted goods and Alchemical items slightly below market cost?
- Whatever the case, we need to establish ourselves as a fixture there as soon as possible. After a few months there, paying bribes regularly and not causing any trouble, natural Efreeti suspicion will shift toward other sources of concern.
We have several 5th level Wizards and Archivists who could be our live in enchanters and Alchemists. They could be "slaves", if need be.
We have a plethora of Erinyes, some of whom we can assign to our front as guards and spies.
And we have several PCs we can station there on a semi-full time basis. Maelor, Nuri, Bronn, and Malarys would all be good choices, IMO.
None of this prevents us from doing the research you want to do, but it will take a bit of personal attention and a lot of startup capital. I'm sure the Shaitan Vizier can point us in the right direction. Although there aren't likely to be Efreeti Real Estate agents, someone will be in charge of selling or renting property, issuing business licenses, taxing newcomers, etc. We need to know who they are, where to find them, how much to bribe them, etc.
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Look, if you are fine with sending a party that doesn't contain Viserys or Garin, I'm fine with that. I've just got the impression that nobody would be willing to send anything less then Viserys, Dany, Lya, Richard and Garin.
If you want to send, say Dany, Maelor, Bronn and Rhealla, which would be a well rounded team for this in my opinion, then I'm all game for that.
Edit: Then again, Rhealla would also be supremely useful in the Reach, so I would rather want her there.
Goldfish
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Added to the schedule.
Goldfish
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Dany would be a terrible choice, IMO. She's got the whole anti-slavery issue going a bit too strongly to trust her not to do something ill-advised.
Malarys, Bronn, Argo, Maelor, Wyla, and a couple Erinyes would be a good group to send to establish our front. Malarys could be the one looking to set up shop with his stable of tame/bound/enslaved enchanters and Alchemists, while the rest of the party are his business partners or bodyguards.
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Malarys and Wyla are already busy and neither of them are viable for long-term infiltration due to their duties on the Prime Material.
Also, Dany can now transform into full Outsiders. She is the best suited for this.
Also also, you are badly flanderizing her there.
Goldfish
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Neither Malarys or Wyla need to be there full time. This would be an action simply to establish the front. Once we have it up and running, one of them might need to put in an appearance every so often, but the day to day running of the place can be left to Maelor or one of the Erinyes.
And I'm really not flanderizing Dany at all. I don't expect her to start a slave rebellion, but the City of Brass is fucking brutal in its treatment of slaves. If she spends any amount of time there at all, she's going to see shit that will make her want to act; children being beaten, slaves being tortured to death, etc., it'll be like Tyrosh when we found Leila, but worse. Malarys has the temperament and skills necessary to operate in the City; his Knowledge(Law) skill should allow him to navigate the Byzantine clusterfuck that is the Efreeti legal system.
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Fine. Dany out, Malarys in.
But there is no way I can shovel free Wylla for this. We really need out A-Game to wrap up Pentos before the invasion this month.
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They can make do without her. I just wanted a Wizard along to cover Arcane magic.
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@Azel I don't think we need to bring Lohos or Koron. The City of Brass would be a serious departure for them (having never left Planetos or dealt much with inhuman Outsiders) and they are very undergeared. I've got them scheduled for an upgrade next month, but that won't be done in time to matter.
Malarys, Maelor, Bronn, Argo, and a pair of Erinyes should be plenty for the group going to establish the front, though I would like to get Teana in on that, too, if possible.
EDIT: Nuri would make a good addition, too.
Malarys, Maelor, Bronn, Argo, and a pair of Erinyes should be plenty for the group going to establish the front, though I would like to get Teana in on that, too, if possible.
EDIT: Nuri would make a good addition, too.
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We could send Lya along if that is your goal. That means another month without any rune-crafting being done, but at the same time, every bit of XP gets her closer to finally having multiple bodies.
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Nuri is part of the Pentos efforts and Argo is a horrible idea. We don't know of any Minotaurs not under our employ, so his mere presence would flag the group as highly suspicious.
Goldfish
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No, I don't want to cause @Duesal to stroke out.
Seriously, though, the Runecrafting has too much potential to be delayed unnecessarily at this point. Teana would make a fine addition to the group. DP has already ruled that she can be gone from the Scholarium for up to five days without impacting its function.
Good point about Argo. An extra Erinyes in his place would work.
As for Nuri, she could still make the trip. It shouldn't last all month, after all. This is just the first step of trying to establish a front to work from in the coming months. Hero units are supposed to be able to do at least one action a month without impacting their plans for that month, right?
I disagree. Why dosent white god transplant humans to a mundane qorld where all of the supermatural bullshit dosent exist and tuen let him play out their free will.
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That's one short stint of combat or travel, like Waymar coming along to the Thenns. The City of Brass though is week-long infiltration work.
I would leave Koron and Lothos. They can both pass as manservant's and their experience is still valuable, even in such a alien city.
Goldfish
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If we do decide to establish our City of Brass front as a supplier of low level enchanted gear and Alchemical items, we have a number of suitable people we can station there.
Of our six available 5th level Wizards, one is going to be accompanying the Lads back to the Riverlands and one will be traveling with the Yi-Ti expedition. A 4th level Wizard will be traveling with each of them, too. That leaves four 5th level Wizards and one 4th level Wizard. Two of the 5th level Wizards and the remaining 4th level Wizard could work at the Front Business.
Both of our 5th level Archivists and one of our 4th level ones are similarly assigned. That leaves us with two 4th level Archivists we could have work at the Front Business.
Our 5th and 6th level Hedge Mages are assigned to the Industrial Alchemy facilities, but we have eight 3rd level ones and two 4th level.
If we assigned all of these people to the Front Business, that would be two 5th level enchanters capable of using Craft Wondrous Item and Scribe Scroll, two 4th level enchanters capable of using Craft Wondrous Item and Scribe Scroll, a 4th level enchanter able to use Scribe Scroll and Craft(Alchemy), and ten people able to use Craft(Alchemy). If we equip each of those capable of using Scribe Scroll with a Quill of Scribing and send a pair of our crafting statues (for a +10 crafting skill bonus), that would be a sizeable daily output of scrolls, Alchemical items, and minor enchanted objects.
I think this would go a long way toward establishing the Front Business as a legitimate enterprise. It could actually make a bit of money, too, but that's beside the point.
Of our six available 5th level Wizards, one is going to be accompanying the Lads back to the Riverlands and one will be traveling with the Yi-Ti expedition. A 4th level Wizard will be traveling with each of them, too. That leaves four 5th level Wizards and one 4th level Wizard. Two of the 5th level Wizards and the remaining 4th level Wizard could work at the Front Business.
Both of our 5th level Archivists and one of our 4th level ones are similarly assigned. That leaves us with two 4th level Archivists we could have work at the Front Business.
Our 5th and 6th level Hedge Mages are assigned to the Industrial Alchemy facilities, but we have eight 3rd level ones and two 4th level.
If we assigned all of these people to the Front Business, that would be two 5th level enchanters capable of using Craft Wondrous Item and Scribe Scroll, two 4th level enchanters capable of using Craft Wondrous Item and Scribe Scroll, a 4th level enchanter able to use Scribe Scroll and Craft(Alchemy), and ten people able to use Craft(Alchemy). If we equip each of those capable of using Scribe Scroll with a Quill of Scribing and send a pair of our crafting statues (for a +10 crafting skill bonus), that would be a sizeable daily output of scrolls, Alchemical items, and minor enchanted objects.
I think this would go a long way toward establishing the Front Business as a legitimate enterprise. It could actually make a bit of money, too, but that's beside the point.
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Sounds reasonable.
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The problem with this Is that once outside this Universe, Lasciel would be free to do whatever she wants without fear of reprisal from Uriel and Co.
Would she even be stuck in the coin once she is outside the system? The coins are a workaround by Hell to influence the mortal World more directly from what I understand. They are not prisons.
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Allow me to repeat myself:
More seriously, yeah, the Problem of Evil applies just as much if not more to DF than the real world.
tarrangar
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Even if that's the case, she's at the most another god, there's plenty of gods on Planetos that can oppose her, just like Uriel and Co do.
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He's not wrong.
More seriously, I mean there's less that can explain what goes on other than the fact that the closed system isn't perfect, that it can't predict everything, and it isn't inherently more right for the fact that Histr Kristr created it.
That is an extremely simplistic way of putting it. It's more like, you've got the jar, it's full of the wine, and eventually that wine will turn into vinegar. If you never open it, you can keep on assuming the wine will taste like wine (free will will be upheld even when that isn't even true and practically speaking if those subject to the law cannot expect protection from those not bound to it, it doesn't functionally exist) but once you open it you will smell and taste the vinegar.
It's teething issues. Maybe, like implied by Faith, there is a Plan, but I also think that it is painfully naive to assume it is the objectively correct one.
And so would Viserys.
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You know, the problem of Evil or the problem of the omnipotence of God have some pretty easy solutions.
Just, you know, convert to something else where this isn't an issue.
> Heresy
> There's probably some eastern spiritual thingy and/or various old polytheistic systems where these aren't an issue
> If you're into religion for the community and/or to be a showoff about it, please note that there's a religion that worships at Fire Temples! Isn't your inner 7 year-old happy about that?
> Atheism
Assuming you don't like those, well... There's a reason why people are still arguing about this millenia after people first started arguing about it. If you can figure out an answer that makes sense and is satisfying ("Muh, Ineffable GAWD !!! " =
), then you should probably go tell the Pope and become internationally famous. Or tell some American megachurch and become a millionaire or something.
But in the case of the Dresden Files, I always assumed that Butcher just wanted to avoid the issue for as long as possible. Hence why having Viserys turn up and try to study it is... awkward, from an author's perspective.
Just, you know, convert to something else where this isn't an issue.
> Heresy
> There's probably some eastern spiritual thingy and/or various old polytheistic systems where these aren't an issue
> If you're into religion for the community and/or to be a showoff about it, please note that there's a religion that worships at Fire Temples! Isn't your inner 7 year-old happy about that?
> Atheism
Assuming you don't like those, well... There's a reason why people are still arguing about this millenia after people first started arguing about it. If you can figure out an answer that makes sense and is satisfying ("Muh, Ineffable GAWD !!! " =
), then you should probably go tell the Pope and become internationally famous. Or tell some American megachurch and become a millionaire or something.But in the case of the Dresden Files, I always assumed that Butcher just wanted to avoid the issue for as long as possible. Hence why having Viserys turn up and try to study it is... awkward, from an author's perspective.
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