Look @tarrangar I get that you like Robert. He's boisterous and funny and Mark Addy is a deeply charismatic actor who was fun to watch, but please stop trying to portray Robert as a good person.
He very much was not in cannon. Even if you discount all awful the things he did 'on page' in the books themselves, in this universe we have seen evidence that he:
Is a terrible, neglectful king
Is at the very least a distant, if not neglectful father.
Is a shitty brother.
Is a shitty friend.
And most damingly from what I would see as Viserys' perspective IC
Robert smiled at the dead bodies of our good sister, our toddler niece and infant nephew.
Robert Baratheon is not a good person, not even by the rather low standards of Westeros.

Besides, I just don't see any way that Viserys would let that man live out his days. I don't think Viserys is that good a person, to forgive something like that.
Edit: many typos, new phone who's autocorrupt I haven't wrangled yet.
I have never watched game of Thrones, so it's not because I'm enamored with Robert, it's more that if he was that awful, I don't think Ned would have become friends with him, so for all his bad sides, he must have some good sides as well, and I sympathize with him because he's clearly miserable, which cause me to want to give him a chance to change for the better, before killing him.

Then there's the fact I very much want Ned to like us, and not killing Robert is the easiest way to accomplish that, considering I don't really care about killing Robert, I think sparing him is a mild price for Ned's loyalty.
 
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The funny thing is that Viserys doesn't even really need to kill him. Things are so screwed up over there that all he needs to do is tell Bloodraven to step aside and Cersei will kill him.

Then when accusations start flying he can truthfully go, "Hey, I didn't do anything. It was clearly the Lannisters. Maybe he shouldn't have rewarded a family of traitorous child killers.":V

And some already mentioned that before me.
 
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Eddard Stark barely spent time with Robert past the Rebellion, never having to witness his worst excesses with no one to advise him otherwise, all because Jon Arryn was a spineless coward, Tywin caring for nothing but his own pride, Cersei a foolish, mad, cruel idiot and his brothers quarrelsome and barely caring about him to begin with.

You are operating off assumptions and incomplete information.
 
Robert is a deeply flawed man but he is not a monster or a sociopath. That's pretty clear in the books. Still it's to our benefit that he dies.
 
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The funny thing is that Viserys doesn't even really need to kill him. Things are so screwed up over there that all he needs to do is tell Bloodraven to step aside and Cersei will kill him.

Then when accusations start flying he can truthfully go, "Hey, I didn't do anything. It was clearly the Lannisters. Maybe he shouldn't have rewarded a family of traitorous child killers.":V

Gods, when you put it like that, it really puts into perspective how idiotic Jon Arryn was by arranging that match.
 
Yeah maybe we can get stannis to join our side if his brother dies and help us kill the lannisters for killing his brother and engaging in incestuous relations. Not killing the children just destroying the house I mean.
 
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I have never watched game of Thrones, so it's not because I'm enamored with Robert,
Then you have my apologies for misrepresenting you. I'm now confused because your refusal to let this go doesn't make sense to me without you having some personal stake in it...
Then there's the fact I very much want Ned to like us, and not killing Robert is the easiest way to accomplish that, considering I don't really care about killing Robert, I think sparing him is a mild price for Ned's loyalty.
Ah, that explains it. Thanks.
it's more that if he was that awful, I don't think Ned would have become friends with him,
Ned Stark is pretty well established to be a middling judge of character at best, and one of Robert's chief talents is that he's absurdly charming in person and good at making friends.
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Eddard Stark barely spent time with Robert past the Rebellion, never having to witness his worst excesses with no one to advise him otherwise, all because Jon Arryn was a spineless coward, Tywin caring for nothing but his own pride, Cersei a foolish, mad, cruel idiot and his brothers quarrelsome and barely caring about him to begin with

This.
 
Part MMDCLIV: Dreams of Home
Dreams of Home

Twenty-First Day of the Eighth Month 293 AC

Things are unlikely to be as simple as to be solved using a sword or noose to end whatever raider first stole Elda away, but that is not something Mors Umber would be ready to hear. As you dismiss the image in the silvered glass the old warrior gives a pained huff as though someone had knocked the wind from him. "Where was that? It looked almost like Skagos, but they were carrying bronze not iron..." The words trail off as Mors struggles to make sense of what he has seen.

"That was a longhouse of the Thenns, the most northerly of any wildling clan, dwelling as they do in the valley Thenn of the Frostfangs. They work bronze, and herd and farm the land rather than hunting, gathering, and raiding from what I have heard," you recount some of what Bloodraven had told you, hoping that the news that his daughter has had at least a proper roof over her head will calm him slightly.

"My axe will cut through bronze discs as well as through iron chain," he rumbles. So much for that hope.

"Be that as it may, I think it is best to find out who you should be chopping before swinging," you caution, keeping your tone sympathetic but with the slightest edge to it.

"More sorcery?" the Northerner asks, obviously willing to deal in any sorcery you would care to use if it returned his daughter to him.

"My sister's magic," you confirm.

***​

Dany of course is more than willing to help. In fact, you suspect her opinions of wife-stealing are much in line with Mors', though she does share your fears also you suspect. The human mind is an enormously flexible and resilient thing. Alas that also means it can all too easily tie itself into knots which are harder to slip than manacles of iron. Reminding yourself not to borrow trouble you slip into the dream, the experience at once familiar as breathing and a touch awkward, like feeling old floorboards flex and groan beneath your weight. When last you walked these paths you were not fully a dragon as much as a man... not to mention the power you gained in Valyria.

Still, nothing seems amiss, the ripples of your passage settling as you stand again among the dreams of Sorcerer's Deep. Grander they have grown and bewildering to the eye to see in their many forms, from bright banners waving to mages' towers wrought of ivory mist that seem to be at once the trunks of pale weirwood trees. The hopes of thousands upon thousands of souls dance like fireflies in the gentle wind of the Winged Serpent's passing.

The three of you do not seem to so much fly west and north as the world seems to contract around you under Dany's power, launching you through a haze of blue and grey until mountains carved by rivers of ice rise on the horizon, the Frostfangs.

You had expected to see some hint of malevolence as you pass between the icy peeks, but there is no darkness upon the wind. Summer rules here... perhaps more than it should.


"Look!" Dany points to one of the rough outcroppings of stone standing over a field of the dead... of ashes. Old worn runes guard the dead and the land alike here, a watchful peace set long ago.

Had you been here on other business you would have paused to study it. Instead you make haste to the hall you had seen in your mirror towards which the silver thread of Dany's power draws her, into the dreams of Lady Elda Umber.

When you enter she is sitting on a bed, brushing her hair in what you suspect is a facsimile of her girlhood chambers. She looks up more wistful than surprised. "I thought those dreams had passed at last..."

Overcome with emotion Mors does not answer with words but reaches out to hug her, desperate to assure himself that she is real even in this ethereal realm.

"I... papa... this can't be real..." She makes no move to let him go. "If it were real you would hate me for what I've done, for being weak... Umbers are suppose to the strong and I let them... I let them..."

"To hell with that!" Mors calls. "If you are weak for that then what do you call me for losing an eye to a godsdamned crow because I was drunk in a ditch?" No sooner had he mentioned it that the eye-patch reappears.

Something about the words jars her into awareness. "This is really happening? How?"

"That would be me," Dany waves cheerfully. "I can spin true dreams."

Once Elda has calmed down you discover much to your relief that not only is the man who first kidnapped her not among the Thenns, he is also not among the living either. Over the years she had drifted northwards from band to band, at first only passed on from one 'husband' to the next, but later of her own volition seeking some manner of safety with a larger clan for herself and her son Donnell, a boy whose father she cannot even name. By the time Elda had gotten free she had feared bringing him south beyond even the danger of the journey for she had not wished upon him the scorn of bastardy.

In that sense the Thenns had been an exceptionally good fit for her, for the skills she had learned as a girl were of much higher value among them than most other free folk. She had married again of her own will though you get the sense that her husband, one of the Magnar's many cousins, is older than her, though the woman speaks of him with some fondness.

Mors looks bewildered and far from happy to have a wildling for a goodson, asking her to come back south with him.

"I..." Elda looks torn between her past and her present, not knowing what to choose and what to give up.

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OOC: There we go, a far happier story than you guys were imagining. She did roll an 86 after all, not a 61 which would have been 'just barely surviving'
 
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The funny thing is that Viserys doesn't even really need to kill him. Things are so screwed up over there that all he needs to do is tell Bloodraven to step aside and Cersei will kill him.

Then when accusations start flying he can truthfully go, "Hey, I didn't do anything. It was clearly the Lannisters. Maybe he shouldn't have rewarded a family of traitorous child killers.":V

And some already mentioned that before me.
That's an interesting point. Wasn't Varys the only reason no one found out about her secret?
 
My game plan for the whole trip of Robert:
- let him go as planned while we take care of matters in the Reach
- once he reached the borders of the Riverlands, Jon Arryn will have a regrettable accident with a vial of poison, courtesy of Bloodraven
-- this clears up the whole Arryn matter, as the house is now left with a witch-child as the heir and Lisa Tully as the regent
- Robert is now has two options:
-- he turns back, making him look weak for being unable to leave court without something blowing up
-- he bulldozes ahead to Winterfell, leaving Cersei free reign in Kings Landing
-- either option is peachy for us

As for the Tyrells, my goal is not to eradicate their house like the Lannisters, just to lessen them so that their ambitions are less disruptive.
 
My game plan for the whole trip of Robert:
- let him go as planned while we take care of matters in the Reach
- once he reached the borders of the Riverlands, Jon Arryn will have a regrettable accident with a vial of poison, courtesy of Bloodraven
-- this clears up the whole Arryn matter, as the house is now left with a witch-child as the heir and Lisa Tully as the regent
- Robert is now has two options:
-- he turns back, making him look weak for being unable to leave court without something blowing up
-- he bulldozes ahead to Winterfell, leaving Cersei free reign in Kings Landing
-- either option is peachy for us

As for the Tyrells, my goal is not to eradicate their house like the Lannisters, just to lessen them so that their ambitions are less disruptive.

Wouldn't Robert have access to teleporters by now? I mean yeah he can't drag along a bunch of the court, but I'd see him wanting to ditch them all to hang with Ned
 
Runecrafting to give summer dominion in a place it absolutely shouldn't have dominion in?

We are totally studying that.
 
[:V] Price is Right announcer's voice.
[:V] "Congratulations! You've won an all expenses paid Trip to fabulous Sorcerer's Deep!"

Don't mind me, just tossing out a prediction of the threads instincts.
 
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Then you have my apologies for misrepresenting you. I'm now confused because your refusal to let this go doesn't make sense to me without you having some personal stake in it...
I am obsessive, not to a severe degree, but I have a hard time letting go of arguments no matter how unimportant, unless I have been convinced that I was wrong.
 
Okay so on one hand she is happy to see her father. On the other hand she is happily married to someone of her own choice. Hmm well the Thenns are coming south with us after we talk to them next month or the month after. So we can tell her to hold tight for now.
 
Wouldn't Robert have access to teleporters by now? I mean yeah he can't drag along a bunch of the court, but I'd see him wanting to ditch them all to hang with Ned
There's no evidence for this. Lanna should be the only teleporter he has access to at the moment, and she's busy doing her own thing.

Westeros isn't exactly swimming in mages.
 
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