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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Goldfish said:
Damn, having to work at work is annoying. Just had to skin through four or five pages of posts to try to catch up on less than two hours. I need to win the lottery.

@DragonParadox Great interlude. Need seems like he would be more difficult to write than Sandor.
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Yes and no, he is more prominent in canon being a major PoV so the need for fidelity of character is greater but he is not in an emotional pit which is what made Sandor truly hard to write.

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Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Mar 1, 2019 at 2:48 PM, finished with 270 posts and 19 votes.
  • [X] Azel
    [X] Ask Mors if he would be okay to go there right now, it would require being turned to smoke and kept in a bottle for a few minutes, he shouldn't even notice the time passing until he's North.
    [X] Bottle Crowfood and, if they have an afternoon to spare, Waymar, Lya and Softstrider for the journey
    -[X] Insist that Umber swears not to start hostilities before we have talked over the entire situation with his daughter
    --[X] It is possible that her abductor is not here, since the Thenn rarely go south, or even if he is, Umber's daughter and grandchild may not want to see him gutted, so first we talk things over and then decide all together what to do
    [X] Treestride to the nearest Weirwood to the Thenn's Hall
    -[X] Sacrfice something of low value from the Larder for safe travel
    -[X] Enter alone under Superior Invisibility and offer her a chance to talk to her father
    -[X] If she's willing ask her to get somewhere out of sight and then Dimension Door with her out of the camp to a place nearby where the group is waiting
    -[X] Find out about her situation and how she would feel about going back south (with her son if she wishes of course)
    [X] Offer him help getting to the Valley of the Thenns and recover his daughter so long as he swears to follow the lead of whatever negotiator you appoint
    [X] Plan "Food for the Crows"
    -[X] Somewhat sardonically: "Something tells me things won't be that simple."
    -[X] Use a sending to contact her, to see if she would be interested in meeting her father, and whether or not she is feeling particularly vengeful due to her current circumstances. A vague explanation that you are in contact with her father preceding that should suffice.
    -[X] Depending on her answer, and the apparent urgency of her reply, pledge to take Mors Umber Beyond-the-Wall to see her/retrieve her.
    [X] Let Dany take Mors and Viserys along for a dream visit to his daughter.
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Azel said:
Dany has enough Dream Weaver levels by now to punch straight through to her. The issues cropped up back when we were much lower leveled.
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Honestly I'm just curious for our first time dreaming as a True Red. We haven't done this properly since before we ascended.

Granted, now that we're a dragon, we're most likely going to see other dragons.
 
Side-note: Dany has enough DW levels to let us physically walk into the dream, take a step to the left into someone else's dream and then letting us waltz right back out in the real world. The only reason it doesn't work here is that ward in the north.

Her class features are criminally underutilized.
 
Duesal said:
He explicitly isn't. He's mad at the father since he assumes his daughter was raped. He has nothing against his grandson.
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I'm getting that so far. I just hope he's going to be nice to his grandson instead of standoffish. I completely understand the wanting to kill the father for the probable rape of his daughter. Just cause he doesn't want to kill his grandson doesn't mean he's going to be nice to him.
 
I will say I would have enjoyed taking a moment to just waltz through a cloud of attempted murders without even breaking stride. I remember doing something similar to a group of riled up Campfire worshippers in... Lys? Always fun, but it's an indulgence that is rarely the best option available.
 
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zxzx24 said:
@tarrangar never mind I misread your point.

I was pointing out him not being willing to do the deed himself was not better than him encouraging it.

So my baaad.
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That part I would also dispute, I wasn't merely saying that he wouldn't be able to kill them personally, I was also saying I don't think he would be able to order their deaths, seeing them dead pleased him, and I think part of what he was so pleased about, was that they were dead and he didn't have anything to do with it, Rhaegar's legacy was ended, without him having to throw away his morals for it.

Basically Robert hated them but he also saw they were children, and so didn't wish to have their deaths on his conscience, therefore it pleased him that they were killed, because that way they were dead, and he wasn't at fault.

Even if his hatred had overriden his morals, to get him to kill them or order them dead, he probably wouldn't have smiled in that case, because he would have been ridden with guilt, about deliberately causing the death of children, but as it was, Rhaegar's children were dead, and he didn't have to feel bad about it, as he neither killed them, ordered them killed, or knew they were in danger and didn't save them.

Hating someone enough to be happy about their death, is a different thing from being ready to kill them, less so for a warrior like Robert, but with irrational hatred of children because of who their father is, it's still a thing, that he might hate them, and be happy they are dead, but be horrified at the idea of deliberately getting them killed.

In our modern society where we are taught killing in general is bad, it's more normal than in Westeros, that you hate someone and will be happier for knowing they are dead, but you are horrified at the thought of killing them, because that would make you worse than they are.
 
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tarrangar said:
That part I would also dispute, I wasn't merely saying that he wouldn't be able to kill them personally, I was also saying I don't think he would be able to order their deaths, seeing them dead pleased him, and I think part of what he was so pleased about, was that they were dead and he didn't have anything to do with it, Rhaegar's legacy was ended, without him having to throw away his morals for it.

Basically Robert hated them but he also saw they were children, and so didn't wish to have their deaths on his conscience, therefore it pleased him that they were killed, because that way they were dead, and he wasn't at fault.

Even if his hatred had overriden his morals, to get him to kill them or order them dead, he probably wouldn't have smiled in that case, because he would have been ridden with guilt, about deliberately causing the death of children, but as it was, Rhaegar's children were dead, and he didn't have to feel bad about it, as he neither killed them, ordered them killed, or knew they were in danger and didn't save them.
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What exactly do you think was Robert plan when trying to capture Viserys and Dany back in Dragonstone? Leaving the rightful heirs to the throne he was squatting on alive?

You are inserting your own fantasy into the character. This is Bolton all over again.
 
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This is Robert "Would have a fourteen year pregnant girl murdered" Baratheon here. And he was greatly implied to have more than the Wall and a betrothal in mind for Viserys and Dany as a child of 8 and nil.

Even if he was convinced to do otherwise, he still wanted to have more Targaryen children murdered.
 
Azel said:
What exactly do you think was Robert plan when trying to capture Viserys and Dany back in Dragonstone? Leaving the rightful heirs to the throne he was squatting on alive?

You are inserting your own fantasy into the character. This is Bolton all over again.
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Considering he sent Stannis, who are anal about keeping the law, I don't think he planned for them to be killed, most likely he planned to send Viserys to the Wall, and Dany to the Silent sisters.
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This is Robert "Would have a fourteen year pregnant girl murdered" Baratheon here. And he was greatly implied to have more than the Wall and a betrothal in mind for Viserys and Dany as a child of 8 and nil.

Even if he was convinced to do otherwise, he still wanted to have more Targaryen children murdered.
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Did he know about Dany's pregnancy when he ordered her dead? And even if he did, he ordered her killed because she had actually gathered an army, and so he believed her a potential threat, I don't think Robert would have killed Viserys and Dany, if they had been captured on Dragonstone, though that's of course just my interpretation of things.
 
tarrangar said:
Considering he sent Stannis, who are anal about keeping the law, I don't think he planned for them to be killed, most likely he planned to send Viserys to the Wall, and Dany to the Silent sisters.

Did he know about Dany's pregnancy when he ordered her dead? And even if he did, he ordered her killed because she had actually gathered an army, and so he believed her a potential threat, I don't think Robert would have killed Viserys and Dany, if they had been captured on Dragonstone, though that's of course just my interpretation of things.
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Viserys was eight he couldnt go to the wall.
 
I think it's hard to engage with the subject because a lot of us here have read the books and we are more than just skeptical of the subject, we find no supporting evidence for your theories.

So it's time to stop talking about it!
 
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