High five @tarrangar !
We got them off being salty about... Something that doesn't matter anymore!
Also oh god nopleasewhy?!?!?!
What is Robert plan by going North? Make sure Ned is still on his side or is gonna give Him something?
Well your back so...
I will admit Robert might actually have ordered them dead, but if he had to do that, then I don't think he would have smiled, because even with how much he hate Targaryan's, I don't think he's cold enough, that he wouldn't have felt guilty about having children killed, so while yeah there's a good chance Robert would have had them killed, I don't think he would have been near as happy, if it hadn't happened in such a way he could avoid any guilt.I think it's hard to engage with the subject because a lot of us here have read the books and we are more than just skeptical of the subject, we find no supporting evidence for your theories.
So it's time to stop talking about it!
I'm not sure what you actually want to do here.I will admit Robert might actually have ordered them dead, but if he had to do that, then I don't think he would have smiled, because even with how much he hate Targaryan's, I don't think he's cold enough, that he wouldn't have felt guilty about having children killed, so while yeah there's a good chance Robert would have had them killed, I don't think he would have been near as happy, if it hadn't happened in such a way he could avoid any guilt.
They raised Mance Rayder there from infanthood, he might not be able to take the vows yet, but he certainly could go there, especially if Robert sent a bribe, to pay for the years it would take before he was useful.
I'm not trying to make a case for him being a decent person, I'm trying to make a case for him not being an utter monster, but merely a person with good and bad parts, with the bad parts made stronger than the good ones by trauma, but not totally amoral.I'm not sure what you actually want to do here.
"He would have been less happy about seeing the corpses of children if he had ordered their death himself, rather than getting them as a present"?
That does not help any case you are trying to make for him being a decent person.
1. This assumes Robert respects his brothers at all. He clearly does not.Considering he sent Stannis, who are anal about keeping the law, I don't think he planned for them to be killed,
1. He orders her assassination precisely because she's pregnant.Did he know about Dany's pregnancy when he ordered her dead? And even if he did, he ordered her killed because she had actually gathered an army,
Yes Robert could have sent and eight year old Viserys to the Wall. He could even force his to swear an oath to the Watch, the problem would not have been the formality of it, it would have been sending a Targ prince along with a lot of Targ loyalists to a wall that was critically under-manned and for the most part filed with eminently bribeable people. Now of course Robert could have reformed the Watch, given hem supplies gold etc... But that sound like rather a lot of bother to save the life of Aerys' son on Robert's part doesn't it?
As for why he sent Stannis to Dragonstone? It was a political move he was sending the man he would later entrust to rule the isle, Prince Snannis Baratheon
Well, duh.Whatever we do with Robert, I call dibs on his blood for experiments.
Yes, Durran Godsgrief married Elenei Stormborn who was the daughter of the sea goddess and the wind god (who is Father Sky in this quest, the Storm God).Well, duh.
I wonder if that forgotten shrine of Storm God will re-awaken if we sacrifice some of Robert there...
Didn't his line got to steal a "daughter" of SK, and angered SK pretty fucking hard?
Yes Robert could have sent and eight year old Viserys to the Wall. He could even force his to swear an oath to the Watch, the problem would not have been the formality of it, it would have been sending a Targ prince along with a lot of Targ loyalists to a wall that was critically under-manned and for the most part filed with eminently bribeable people. Now of course Robert could have reformed the Watch, given hem supplies gold etc... But that sound like rather a lot of bother to save the life of Aerys' son on Robert's part doesn't it?
We just need to advance Lya's runecrafting and we can get those wonderful wards for ourselves.Reading the lore on Durran Godsgrief the fact that the Children of the Forest and/or Brandon helped with Storms's Ends construction is something very interesting to me. Also I want to cast Legendary Lore on WInterfell or at least parts of it. Strorms End too.
This. Not to mention the fact that having Ned like us isn't exactly a priority for us. All he needs to do is fall in line and obey, and prepare for the Long Night. He's realistic enough to recognize when to quit.Disregarding the personal baggage, Robert is in the way, and his death will make things way easier if done correctly. That's all the reason Viserys needs to kill him. And he has killed people for that very reason. There isn't much of a reason to spare him.
Most important reason agreed.This. Not to mention the fact that having Ned like us isn't exactly a priority for us. All he needs to do is fall in line and obey, and prepare for the Long Night. He's realistic enough to recognize when to quit.