What is Robert plan by going North? Make sure Ned is still on his side or is gonna give Him something?

Probably "offer" him a seat on the Small Council.

Which as in canon, when a King "offers" you responsibility (which is tied with honors) it's actually not one you can refuse.

Might even be trying for a betrothal while he's there. I mean it's a bit younger than expected for the kids, but they both have heirs of the right gender going either which way.
 
I think it's hard to engage with the subject because a lot of us here have read the books and we are more than just skeptical of the subject, we find no supporting evidence for your theories.

So it's time to stop talking about it!
I will admit Robert might actually have ordered them dead, but if he had to do that, then I don't think he would have smiled, because even with how much he hate Targaryan's, I don't think he's cold enough, that he wouldn't have felt guilty about having children killed, so while yeah there's a good chance Robert would have had them killed, I don't think he would have been near as happy, if it hadn't happened in such a way he could avoid any guilt.

Robert ordering Rhaenys and Aegon, or Viserys and Dany dead, would probably have been a case of Robert being angry and unhappy, because he didn't like the idea of being part of killing children, but he found he liked the idea of Targaryan's being alive even less.
 
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I will admit Robert might actually have ordered them dead, but if he had to do that, then I don't think he would have smiled, because even with how much he hate Targaryan's, I don't think he's cold enough, that he wouldn't have felt guilty about having children killed, so while yeah there's a good chance Robert would have had them killed, I don't think he would have been near as happy, if it hadn't happened in such a way he could avoid any guilt.
I'm not sure what you actually want to do here.

"He would have been less happy about seeing the corpses of children if he had ordered their death himself, rather than getting them as a present"?
That does not help any case you are trying to make for him being a decent person.
 
They raised Mance Rayder there from infanthood, he might not be able to take the vows yet, but he certainly could go there, especially if Robert sent a bribe, to pay for the years it would take before he was useful.

Yes Robert could have sent and eight year old Viserys to the Wall. He could even force his to swear an oath to the Watch, the problem would not have been the formality of it, it would have been sending a Targ prince along with a lot of Targ loyalists to a wall that was critically under-manned and for the most part filed with eminently bribeable people. Now of course Robert could have reformed the Watch, given hem supplies gold etc... But that sound like rather a lot of bother to save the life of Aerys' son on Robert's part doesn't it?

As for why he sent Stannis to Dragonstone? It was a political move he was sending the man he would later entrust to rule the isle, Prince Stannis Baratheon
 
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I'm not sure what you actually want to do here.

"He would have been less happy about seeing the corpses of children if he had ordered their death himself, rather than getting them as a present"?
That does not help any case you are trying to make for him being a decent person.
I'm not trying to make a case for him being a decent person, I'm trying to make a case for him not being an utter monster, but merely a person with good and bad parts, with the bad parts made stronger than the good ones by trauma, but not totally amoral.

Basically I'm making a case that Robert is bad, but not to the point where he's even near irredeemable.
 
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Well this is tiring

Considering he sent Stannis, who are anal about keeping the law, I don't think he planned for them to be killed,
1. This assumes Robert respects his brothers at all. He clearly does not.
2. He specifically goes out of his way to disrespect Stannos and Stannis' respect for tradition and the law several times.

Did he know about Dany's pregnancy when he ordered her dead? And even if he did, he ordered her killed because she had actually gathered an army,
1. He orders her assassination precisely because she's pregnant.
2. His reasoning was specifically that she could birth a male Targaryen, well he said ''Dragonspawn" but you get the idea. Not because of the Dothraki.
 
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Yes Robert could have sent and eight year old Viserys to the Wall. He could even force his to swear an oath to the Watch, the problem would not have been the formality of it, it would have been sending a Targ prince along with a lot of Targ loyalists to a wall that was critically under-manned and for the most part filed with eminently bribeable people. Now of course Robert could have reformed the Watch, given hem supplies gold etc... But that sound like rather a lot of bother to save the life of Aerys' son on Robert's part doesn't it?

As for why he sent Stannis to Dragonstone? It was a political move he was sending the man he would later entrust to rule the isle, Prince Snannis Baratheon

Of course, Stannis failed... and that became Lord Stannis Baratheon.

Seeing as how that worked out splendidly for Robert in ASWaH... :V
 
Whatever we do with Robert, I call dibs on his blood for experiments.
Well, duh.

I wonder if that forgotten shrine of Storm God will re-awaken if we sacrifice some of Robert there...

Didn't his line got to steal a "daughter" of SK, and angered SK pretty fucking hard?
 
Yes Robert could have sent and eight year old Viserys to the Wall. He could even force his to swear an oath to the Watch, the problem would not have been the formality of it, it would have been sending a Targ prince along with a lot of Targ loyalists to a wall that was critically under-manned and for the most part filed with eminently bribeable people. Now of course Robert could have reformed the Watch, given hem supplies gold etc... But that sound like rather a lot of bother to save the life of Aerys' son on Robert's part doesn't it?

Wouldn't him reforming them have made things worse? As is, they're kind of a crappy army in a castle that's useless at defending from the south in a land that has no love for Targaryens. And no rebellion from the Wall has ever worked out.

I don't think Robert would have been able to bring himself to murder kids, but that's more because he's a coward than anything else. More likely someone would have assassinated them. A "troublesome priest" kind of situation.
 
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Look @tarrangar I get that you like Robert. He's boisterous and funny and Mark Addy is a deeply charismatic actor who was fun to watch, but please stop trying to portray Robert as a good person.
He very much was not in cannon. Even if you discount all awful the things he did 'on page' in the books themselves, in this universe we have seen evidence that he:
Is a terrible, neglectful king
Is at the very least a distant, if not neglectful father.
Is a shitty brother.
Is a shitty friend.
And most damingly from what I would see as Viserys' perspective IC
Robert smiled at the dead bodies of our good sister, our toddler niece and infant nephew.
Robert Baratheon is not a good person, not even by the rather low standards of Westeros.

Besides, I just don't see any way that Viserys would let that man live out his days. I don't think Viserys is that good a person, to forgive something like that.
Edit: many typos, new phone who's autocorrupt I haven't wrangled yet.
 
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Reading the lore on Durran Godsgrief the fact that the Children of the Forest and/or Brandon helped with Storms's Ends construction is something very interesting to me. Also I want to cast Legendary Lore on WInterfell or at least parts of it. Strorms End too.
 
Reading the lore on Durran Godsgrief the fact that the Children of the Forest and/or Brandon helped with Storms's Ends construction is something very interesting to me. Also I want to cast Legendary Lore on WInterfell or at least parts of it. Strorms End too.
We just need to advance Lya's runecrafting and we can get those wonderful wards for ourselves.

I wonder... We have an example of god-proofing from our anti-god box. We should eventually figure that out and see how it can be combined with runecrafting.
 
Disregarding the justified personal enmity, Robert is in the way, and his death will make things way easier if done correctly. That's all the reason Viserys needs to kill him. And he has killed people for that very reason. There isn't much of a reason to spare him.
 
Disregarding the personal baggage, Robert is in the way, and his death will make things way easier if done correctly. That's all the reason Viserys needs to kill him. And he has killed people for that very reason. There isn't much of a reason to spare him.
This. Not to mention the fact that having Ned like us isn't exactly a priority for us. All he needs to do is fall in line and obey, and prepare for the Long Night. He's realistic enough to recognize when to quit.
 
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