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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Crake said:
I'm obsessed with this song. I listened to it on repeat when writing Unkindly Scattered.

Speaking of which, I should work on that again... with Black Blade!

(Blaaa~aaade! Black Blaaa~aaade!)
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It's one of my favorite BOC pieces.

I've listened to Veteran of the Psychic Wars on a continuous loop for hours while writing various stuff. It, along with songs from Manowar, Iron Maiden, Hammerfall, and similar stuff are fuel for my muse.
 
Azel said:
It says a lot about Planetos when "because he / she / they were complete idiots" is an answer that is immediately accepted.
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I try not to overlook genuine human stupidity of a catastrophic level when in Westeros or even Essos after spending a significant portion of this quest dealing with greased up Magisters.
 
DragonParadox said:
He certainly helped push Aerys along, though very very carefully and subtly since being burned alive was not going to advance his plans. The Darklyns were not in on the conspiracy however. If they had been they would have probably said something to try to save their lives once captured.
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Who's to say they didn't? It was probably just seen as desperate attempts to save their skin.
 
All the times Aerys being himself with Tywin's wife could be more than enough to try his luck without being found out.

Rhaegar thinking he should get the kingdom early for the prophecy and thinking he will be the best ruler. Who knows what he would think?
 
TalonofAnathrax said:
EDIT: Statting up the two Drow now. I was thinking of a buddy cop sort of build, where they're decent alone but have abilities that synergize very well. And having them come from a high-magic civilisation, I can justify some sweet sweet caster and magic rogue stuff! No more shitty Ironborn martial builds!
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You oh god wait! *breathes heavily*

I've built stabby MC stabbson!
Code: 
             bab  fort ref will
Mimic        +0    +0 +2 +0    Sneak attack +1d6, disguise self, Craven
Mimic        +1    +0 +3 +0    Spell Reflection
Mimic        +2    +1 +3 +1    Sneak attack +2d6, Penetrating Strike, Weapon Finesse
Drow Fighter +3    +2 +3 +1    Sneak attack +3d6, Hit-and-Run Tactics
Drow Fighter +4    +3 +3 +1    Sneak attack +4d6,
Assassin     +4    +3 +5 +1    Sneak attack +5d6, death attack, poison use, Two-Handed Fighting
Assassin     +5    +3 +6 +1    +1 save against poison, uncanny dodge
Assassin     +6/+1 +4 +6 +2    Sneak attack +6d6
Swordsage    +6/+1 +4 +8 +4    Sneak attack +8d6(Assassin's Stance), Quick to act +1, discipline focus , Staggering Strike
Maneuvers:
 -Distracting Embers, Flashing Sun, Cloak of Deception, Shadow Jaunt, Shadow Garrote,  Sudden Leap
Mimic allows him to disguise himself as a caster, drow fighter extra damage against flat footed, and sneak attack ACF.
Not too sure about TWF and Staggering Strike..

I was planning to make the other guy a wizard/rogue with Cloudy Conjuration.
 
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DragonParadox said:
"What of your people?" Dany asks, as much to the priest as to the god. "What other Kindreds of your line were there, and where did they dwell before the ancient fading of the world?"

Thus you learn that the ancient serpent people were wont to change themselves to the land as much as the reverse, their forms varying from the swift desert runners of the interior to the slow stone-scaled giants of the high mountains. Some who dwelt near fire mounts even mingled their blood with that of salamanders to endure the great heat and better forge the arcane metals welling up from the depths of the earth. Six cities does Yss mark upon his map of stone, all farther south than even the refuge you had found, places where you might find treasure and lore... or perhaps only tumbled stones and silence, the secrets long since looted. Yss' gaze no longer stretches so far.

Serpentfolk Ruins added to Maps of Sothoryos
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@DragonParadox, do we have a rough idea of the CR of these six cities and the amount of time it would take to poke at them?
 
DragonParadox said:
As paranoid as Aerys was right after the defiance I suspect he have killed Varys over it anyway. Even if he did not the detail would have been notable enough for someone to note in canon when recalling the Spider's career at court.
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Why would Varys be connected to it at all? The guy was a master of disguise, or more probably, acted through proxies. We know the Darklyn's were connected to Essos because of the lord's new wife - she was Myrish - so Illyrio and Varys could easily have been in contact. With Tywin publically shooting them down and their anger over Duskendale being reduced to irrelevancy, it isn't implausible that they would start laying the seeds for putting Serra's children on the throne.

Of course, that plan is shot to hell when King Aerys firmly grabs the idiot ball and goes to Duskendale in person without an army behind him. Denys can't believe his luck and immediately captures the dumbass, under the impression that the Golden Company will cross the Narrow Sea with a Blackfyre king at the helm. No such thing happens, obviously - Faegon isn't even born yet and Varys could hardly serve - while the conspirators watch their plan go down in flames. Near the end of the siege, Denys must have realized that nobody was coming to his rescue, and so started doing everything in his power to save his ass, which must have included spilling the beans on the whole Blackfyre thing.

Tywin was trying to get Aerys killed with a spectacular lack of subtlety, so who knows exactly what he thought, but he continued to stall for as long as he could without it being obvious. Whatever he thought of the Blackfyre story doesn't really matter, but he probably assumed it was bullshit - the Blackfyres have been dead and gone for a while and Denys was spouting anything he could to get out of the shit creek he was in without a paddle. In the end, Barristan does his thing to Tywin's considerable shock and dismay, and Aerys orders every last Darklyn killed. Who knows what they said or did, but I doubt Aerys was listening, and so anyone who was involved perished.

Meanwhile, it having become clear that Aerys was off his rocker, Varys and Illyrio concoct a new plan. Varys inserts himself to court as the Master of Whispers and encourages the rebellion - I highly suspect he was the one who convinced Aerys to add seizing Robert Baratheon to the demands to Jon Arryn. It didn't make much sense but was perfect for turning a Northern revolt into a full-fledged war which tore down the Targaryen dynasty and allowed him to pull the scheme with Faegon.
 
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zxzx24 said:
If it helps at all the Sarrukh were a dying race even in their own time.

They'll have left plenty of scaled beasties behind though!

Hopefully kobolds even!
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I'm actually fairly confident we'd be able to take one down if we planned well enough, even if it would be a tough fight.

I hope there's still one left for us.
 
Artemis1992 said:
He does have Change Shape already though.
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For Outsiders, Alter Self is better than change shape. Its a little cheesy, but it is very good.

Otherwise, how about Ray of Stupidity? It's excellent against low-Int targets (one hit "kill") but also against Int casters. I also like Mirror Image or Invisibility.

mrsean22 said:
....What about it being a Tywin or Rhaegar scheme?
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:cry::cry::cry:
I wish Rhaegar the Terrible would update...
The latest chapters went back to the amazingess of the first volume!

dpara said:
You oh god wait! *breathes heavily*

I've built stabby MC stabbson!
Code: 
             bab  fort ref will
Mimic        +0    +0 +2 +0    Sneak attack +1d6, disguise self, Craven
Mimic        +1    +0 +3 +0    Spell Reflection
Mimic        +2    +1 +3 +1    Sneak attack +2d6, Penetrating Strike, Weapon Finesse
Drow Fighter +3    +2 +3 +1    Sneak attack +3d6, Hit-and-Run Tactics
Drow Fighter +4    +3 +3 +1    Sneak attack +4d6,
Assassin     +4    +3 +5 +1    Sneak attack +5d6, death attack, poison use, Two-Handed Fighting
Assassin     +5    +3 +6 +1    +1 save against poison, uncanny dodge
Assassin     +6/+1 +4 +6 +2    Sneak attack +6d6
Swordsage    +6/+1 +4 +8 +4    Sneak attack +8d6(Assassin's Stance), Quick to act +1, discipline focus , Staggering Strike
Maneuvers:
 -Distracting Embers, Flashing Sun, Cloak of Deception, Shadow Jaunt, Shadow Garrote,  Sudden Leap
Mimic allows him to disguise himself as a caster, drow fighter extra damage against flat footed, and sneak attack ACF.
Not too sure about TWF and Staggering Strike..

I was planning to make the other guy a wizard/rogue with Cloudy Conjuration.
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Wait, there's a base class called Mimic? Or is this homebrew?
Link please!
In any case, I am against the assassin class. Death attack is cool, but functionally useless (Low DC).

I am in the process of building a poison-user who uses sneak attack to debuff more than deal damage (Drow of the Underdark brought feats for this) supported by a buffer/sneak mage.
They would kill people by sneaking in, incapacitating their target in one round, and then using a coup de grâce. Of course they can deal a lot of sneak attack damage in a pinch, even against undead or constructs.
 
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TalonofAnathrax said:
Wait, there's a base class called Mimic? Or is this homebrew?
Link please!
In any case, I am against the assassin class. Death attack is cool, but functionally useless (Low DC).

I am in the process of building a poison-user who uses sneak attack to debuff more than deal damage (Drow of the Underdark brought feats for this) supported by a buffer/sneak mage.
They would kill people by sneaking in, incapacitating their target in one round, and then using a coup de grâce. Of course they can deal a lot of sneak attack damage in a pinch, even against undead or constructs.
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It's a Rogue ACF Mimic ( I love that website).
 
LonelyWolf999 said:
Why would Varys be connected to it at all? The guy was a master of disguise, or more probably, acted through proxies. We know the Darklyn's were connected to Essos because of the lord's new wife - she was Myrish - so Illyrio and Varys could easily have been in contact. With Tywin publically shooting them down and their anger over Duskendale being reduced to irrelevancy, it isn't implausible that they would start laying the seeds for putting Serra's children on the throne.

Of course, that plan is shot to hell when King Aerys firmly grabs the idiot ball and goes to Duskendale in person without an army behind him. Denys can't believe his luck and immediately captures the dumbass, under the impression that the Golden Company will cross the Narrow Sea with a Blackfyre king at the helm. No such thing happens, obviously - Faegon isn't even born yet and Varys could hardly serve - while the conspirators watch their plan go down in flames. Near the end of the siege, Denys must have realized that nobody was coming to his rescue, and so started doing everything in his power to save his ass, which must have included spilling the beans on the whole Blackfyre thing.

Tywin was trying to get Aerys killed with a spectacular lack of subtlety, so who knows exactly what he thought, but he continued to stall for as long as he could without it being obvious. Whatever he thought of the Blackfyre story doesn't really matter, but he probably assumed it was bullshit - the Blackfyres have been dead and gone for a while and Denys was spouting anything he could to get out of the shit creek he was in without a paddle. In the end, Barristan does his thing to Tywin's considerable shock and dismay, and Aerys orders every last Darklyn killed. Who knows what they said or did, but I doubt Aerys was listening, and so anyone who was involved perished.

Meanwhile, it having become clear that Aerys was off his rocker, Varys and Illyrio concoct a new plan. Varys inserts himself to court as the Master of Whispers and encourages the rebellion - I highly suspect he was the one who convinced Aerys to add seizing Robert Baratheon to the demands to Jon Arryn. It didn't make much sense but was perfect for turning a Northern revolt into a full-fledged war which tore down the Targaryen dynasty and allowed him to pull the scheme with Faegon.
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Fair point, though I don't think Tywin was trying to kill Aerys at his point. He had not committed his most egregious slights yet.

Duesal said:
@DragonParadox, do we have a rough idea of the CR of these six cities and the amount of time it would take to poke at them?
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Yes. I'll get the information on them up soon.
 
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Hey @DragonParadox, how attached are you to the racial prerequisites to Chameleon? Normally it's only for Humans or Doppelgangers, and it requires a feat that you've houseruled as unnecessary (Able Learner). I'm hoping for an entry requiring nothing but specialized training and the requisite skill points, and not a racial requirement that makes little sense and a feat that does nothing.
Turns out that a Rogue going into Doppelganger is an amazing idea. Excellent sneak attack damage (Hunter's Eye is available to all Chameleons), good skills, and some nice utility spells.



And by the way, I just realised that the best sneak attack build at level 9 is an optimized Beguiler (for skill points and CL)/Unseen Seer with the feat Wild Cohort taken 6 times. Each wild cohort is treated as a weaker animal companion, and thus gets the "Share Spells" ability. That makes for an absurdly huge amount of sneak attack damage per turn, and constant flanking!
I won't be doing that (because it's stupid), but I seriously thought of it.

EDIT: Builds I'm thinking of:
  • Rogue 5/Chameleon 4. With the proper skill points, this build can dish out a lot of sneak attack damage and/or use poison very effectively.
  • A wizard/Unseen Seer build. I'm struggling with this one, because it needs to be able to cast level 4 spells (to create poison effectively for the other Drow to use) and yet still has to feel like a rogue. I could do it, but I'm trying to do it while fitting in PrCs that I like.
 
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TalonofAnathrax said:
Hey @DragonParadox, how attached are you to the racial prerequisites to Chameleon? Normally it's only for Humans or Doppelgangers, and it requires a feat that you've houseruled as unnecessary (Able Learner). I'm hoping for an entry requiring nothing but specialized training and the requisite skill points, and not a racial requirement that makes little sense and a feat that does nothing.
Turns out that a Rogue going into Doppelganger is an amazing idea. Excellent sneak attack damage (Hunter's Eye is available to all Chameleons), good skills, and some nice utility spells.
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Well they are assassins and it would fit thematically. Sure you can use chameleon without the racial prerequisite, though it should probably have some sort of feat tax.
 
TalonofAnathrax: I know like a billion cheesy builds, kids!

[Always go for this. Never ever go for this. Only villains do that!.jpg]

Would link meme but I'm just about to get on the road... and possibly into hour long traffic... for what should be a twenty minute commute.

:(
 
Crake said:
TalonofAnathrax: I know like a billion cheesy builds, kids!

[Always go for this. Never ever go for this. Only villains do that!.jpg]

Would link meme but I'm just about to get on the road... and possibly into hour long traffic... for what should be a twenty minute commute.

:(
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That snow today certainly didn't help. My windshield iced over on my way to school.
 
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