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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Artemis1992 said:
Tor (new and better)
Size/Type: Medium Outsider (Native, Shapeshifter, Incorporeal (only while moving))
Hit Dice: 7d8
Initiative: +8
Speed: 30 ft.
Armor Class:
Base Attack: +7/+2
Attack: +9/+4 Touch Attack (1d6 (DC 19 Fort negates) +1Con damage on crit)
Space/Reach: 5 ft./5 ft.
Special Attacks: Spell-like Abilities, Cloying Gloom Blast (DC 19), Detect Thoughts (DC 19)
Special Qualities: Damage reduction 5/Good or Piercing, DR 10/Magic, Darkvision 60 ft., Resistance to Electricity 15 and Cold 15, See in Darkness, Spell Resistance 21, Change Shape (Raktavarna), Planar Thinning
Saves: Fortitude +9, Reflex +11, Will +6
Abilities: Str 15, Dex 23, Con 18, Int 12, Wis 13, Cha 22
Skills: 90SP Racial: +4 Bluff and +8 Disguise and Stealth
Feats: 3
Alignment:

Cloying Gloom Blast (Su)

Three times per day, the shadow lord can unleash a 30-foot cone of cloying gloom. On a failed Fortitude saving throw, creatures in the cone are affected by a slow spell (caster level equal to the shadow lord's Hit Dice) and are blinded for the duration of the slow effect.

Planar Thinning (Su)

Once per day as a full-round action, a shadow lord can thin the barriers between the Material Plane and Shadow Plane, making it considerably easier for creatures to cross between the two. This functions like the planar travel aspect of the gate spell (caster level equal to the shadow lord's Hit Dice). This planar thinning is immediately dispelled if in an area of normal or bright light.

Spell-Like Abilities CL 7 (DC: Spell Level + 6):
At will—ray of sickening;
3/day—shadow conjuration, shadow step;
1/day—shadow walk.

A creature created with shadow conjuration or greater shadow conjuration that would normally have a celestial or fiendish template (such as a bear) instead gains the shadow creature template.

Sorcerer CL 4 (DC: Spell Level + 6):
Level 0: 6 (6/day)
Level 1: 3 (8/day)
Level 2: 1 (5/day)


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This should be the baseline then.
Now we just need a decent build with some nice skills, feats and spells.
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My skill suggestions: Max Concentration, Disguise, Diplomacy, Hide, Knowledge (arcana), Knowledge (the planes), Listen, Sense Motive, Move Silently.
Feats: Flaw (shaky, City Slicker), +5 feats.
Spells: include Alter Self! Outsiders can make amazing use of that spell (get insane AC, great movement modes, skill bonuses...), and it fits with his "hide hide hide" background.

Goldfish said:
Sorry, dude, too much Deus Ex Machina to make such a scenario work. It would literally require a deity of significant power to wade through our more powerful people in such a manner. And that's just to defeat Mythic, max level Companions. When it starts offing allied deities, things are just totally off the rails.

For example, Yss is a full deity again in 293 AC. 7+ years from now he'll be even more powerful. Unless the Others are backed by Ao's big brother, nothing can shut down a good that hard and fast.

I get what you're trying for, but it just goes too far.

Sorry to be critical, as the writing itself is good. I just have hard limits on what I can accept as plausible, even in a high fantasy setting. :(
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Devil's advocate: we don't actually know how powerful the Bloodstone Emperor is on this Plane...
 
Goldfish said:
Sorry, dude, too much Deus Ex Machina to make such a scenario work. It would literally require a deity of significant power to wade through our more powerful people in such a manner. And that's just to defeat Mythic, max level Companions. When it starts offing allied deities, things are just totally off the rails.

For example, Yss is a full deity again in 293 AC. 7+ years from now he'll be even more powerful. Unless the Others are backed by Ao's big brother, nothing can shut down a god that hard and fast.

I get what you're trying for, but it just goes too far.

Sorry to be critical, as the writing itself is good. I just have hard limits on what I can accept as plausible, even in a high fantasy setting. :(
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Oh yea, I understand it was reaching. But I specifically didn't off Yss, The idea was that it was exploiting his identity with snakes to put him in an inactive state. You wanna be a conceptual snake, well the conceptual cold can do something about that. Or at least, that's the basic premise.
 
Goldfish said:
Sorry, dude, too much Deus Ex Machina to make such a scenario work. It would literally require a deity of significant power to wade through our more powerful people in such a manner. And that's just to defeat Mythic, max level Companions. When it starts offing allied deities, things are just totally off the rails.

For example, Yss is a full deity again in 293 AC. 7+ years from now he'll be even more powerful. Unless the Others are backed by Ao's big brother, nothing can shut down a god that hard and fast.

I get what you're trying for, but it just goes too far.

Sorry to be critical, as the writing itself is good. I just have hard limits on what I can accept as plausible, even in a high fantasy setting. :(
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In that omake the Others are the Lady of Pain's revenge on AO(I don't know what she's getting revenge for, but as she's apparently the most powerful thing in D&D, it must be her who was giving the Others some minor backing)
 
TalonofAnathrax said:
My skill suggestions: Max Concentration, Disguise, Diplomacy, Hide, Knowledge (arcana), Knowledge (the planes), Listen, Sense Motive, Move Silently.
Feats: Flaw (shaky, City Slicker), +5 feats.
Spells: include Alter Self! Outsiders can make amazing use of that spell (get insane AC, great movement modes, skill bonuses...), and it fits with his "hide hide hide" background.


Devil's advocate: we don't actually know how powerful the Bloodstone Emperor is on this Plane...
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Also this. :V
 
TalonofAnathrax said:
Spells: include Alter Self! Outsiders can make amazing use of that spell, and it fits with his "hide hide hide" background.
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He does have Change Shape already though.

TalonofAnathrax said:
My skill suggestions: Max Concentration, Disguise, Diplomacy, Hide, Knowledge (arcana), Knowledge (the planes), Listen, Sense Motive, Move Silently.
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Would you say that the skill bonus on Pathfinder-Stealth applies to Hide or Move Silent or both?

Edit: I wouldn't bomb his survival with City Slicker, he's meant to be a guide through the plane, not just it's few civilized patches.
 
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@DragonParadox - I believe we inquired after specific details, like if someone had intentionally ruined Rhaella's births, but it was never broadly asked whether Varys played a role in deliberately driving Aerys mad. Did he? My personal pet theory is that the Darklyn's were so overconfident because they thought a Blackfyre pretender would be crossing the Narrow Sea, instead of it suddenly being them vs literally the entire Seven Kingdoms.
 
tarrangar said:
In that omake the Others are the Lady of Pain's revenge on AO(I don't know what she's getting revenge for, but as she's apparently the most powerful thing in D&D, it must be her who was giving the Others some minor backing)
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She's not the most powerful thing in d&d it just so happens gods can only send in avatars to sigil and usually are immediately killed and as a consequence weakened because of it. So usually gods never even try.

Not saying she's weak she's as powerful as a greater deity.
 
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Goldfish said:
Sorry, dude, too much Deus Ex Machina to make such a scenario work. It would literally require a deity of significant power to wade through our more powerful people in such a manner. And that's just to defeat Mythic, max level Companions. When it starts offing allied deities, things are just totally off the rails.

For example, Yss is a full deity again in 293 AC. 7+ years from now he'll be even more powerful. Unless the Others are backed by Ao's big brother, nothing can shut down a god that hard and fast.

I get what you're trying for, but it just goes too far.

Sorry to be critical, as the writing itself is good. I just have hard limits on what I can accept as plausible, even in a high fantasy setting. :(
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It would explain why the Other's are such a dire threat - and what they did since the last Winter. And why the Seven did nothing, because - they couldn't.
 
LonelyWolf999 said:
@DragonParadox - I believe we inquired after specific details, like if someone had intentionally ruined Rhaella's births, but it was never broadly asked whether Varys played a role in deliberately driving Aerys mad. Did he? My personal pet theory is that the Darklyn's were so overconfident because they thought a Blackfyre pretender would be crossing the Narrow Sea, instead of it suddenly being them vs literally the entire Seven Kingdoms.
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He certainly helped push Aerys along, though very very carefully and subtly since being burned alive was not going to advance his plans. The Darklyns were not in on the conspiracy however. If they had been they would have probably said something to try to save their lives once captured.
 
DragonParadox said:
He certainly helped push Aerys along, though very very carefully and subtly since being burned alive was not going to advance his plans. The Darklyns were not in on the conspiracy however. If they had been they would have probably said something to try to save their lives once captured.
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So the Darklyns were just plain old Westeros brand stupid.
 
@LonelyWolf999 I like that theory.

Good an explanation as anything. Something something Peakes? Did they rebel without a Blackfyre coming over, or only when they were sure popular sentiment would guarantee more belligerents? If so, it does seem a bit random to try to blackmail the King into giving concessions when the heir is of age and safe from harm. Killing Aerys would have meant little dynasty-wise, and Tywin would have rejected those terms anyway, since it would have weakened his own position too.

Azel said:
So the Darklyns were just plain old Westeros brand stupid.
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Makes sense.
 
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