Yes and No, I was just commenting on that we weren't necessarily accidentally colossal assholes.
I don't think we get to decide whether we are the assholes. Other people decide if your an asshole even if most reasonable people don't think your an asshole doesn't mean your not an asshole to other assholes. These are my very important thoughts on the subject of assholes. Plenty of demons and devils think we're assholes.
 
I don't think we get to decide whether we are the assholes. Other people decide if your an asshole even if most reasonable people don't think your an asshole doesn't mean your not an asshole to other assholes. These are my very important thoughts on the subject of assholes. Plenty of demons and devils think we're assholes.
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That's really insightful man. Kudos.

No sarcasm this time, you earned it.
 
... that opens the saltcaves because of the 'no, we are not going to resurrect people left and right just because we can' versus 'but the cat deserves it!'
We get to decide who to resurrect, everyone else doesn't get to demand to bring people back. They can ask and they will be brought back on our sufferance or they can fork the cash and find the cleric themselves.
 
Hey, no complaints from me. Though the whole "we should only do it when it has UTILITY FUNCTION" or "it's a main character!" clause is needlessly restrictive in the extreme.
 
I would switch order, because telling someone "your sister may live if you behave ...". I would resent that. I'd still do it, but don't count on loyalty.
We are not a charity, resurrections cost money, we will provide the magic, but he has to provide the reagents.
How do you manage to get kicked out of a brothel? All you have to do is show them basic respect and courtesy and pay upfront.

Honestly the more I hear about these Westerosi barbarians the more I despair of the gargantuan amount of work we'll have to do just to raise them to something resembling civilized.
Can't be worse than raising the fucking Essosi to not be fuckhead slavers, who think public torture of innocents is great entertainment.

Don't forget for all Westeros is a bit more primitive, prior to our coming Westeros was the far better place to live, just because we are already halfway done improving Essos, don't mean we should treat Westeros as if it's the worse continent, it's just the continent that hasn't yet had the benefit of our rule.

Then there's the fact that we have had opportunity to purge the worst of our Essosi, whereas Westeros is as of yet unpurged, if it wasn't for fear of us and that purge, any non-Bravosi sadistic Essosi, would expect to be allowed to torture the whores in a brothel if they paid extra, as whores are slaves and so have no rights to them.

It's just we have purged most of the really sadistic ones, and the rest we have terrified into accepting the new order, so the Essosi seem less evil, because we have killed most of the stupidest, and scared most of the rest, into putting effort into not causing problems.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Feb 19, 2019 at 3:16 AM, finished with 245 posts and 17 votes.

  • [X] Plan Benjicot and Stark
    -[X] Write that letter to Winterfell.
    --[X] Explain to them the danger of the creature send into their midst and that it was the Old Gods who barely averted a massacre in Winterfell.
    --[X] We only know about it due to speaking with the Old Gods about plots of the enemy in Westeros and the matter getting mentioned by them.
    --[X] Suggest that they increase the guards and be more vigilant, as the Others might try again. If they are in dire need of some magical protections, we can put them in contact with some artisans in Braavos that can provide Detect Magic items and can serve as middle-men to buying stronger stuff from us.
    --[X] Make it clear that this is an extension of the discussion we had at Castle Black. It does not matter who sits on the Iron Throne when the dead come south to devour the living.
    -[X] Meet with Benjicot
    --[X] Congratulate him on his work, both gathering so many allies and seeing them safe despite the Usurper wanting them dead.
    --[X] Ask him about his tactical situation, troop numbers, equipment, supplies, locations, contacts among nobility and smallfolk and any issues they have.
    --[X] Once he explained the current status of his operation, have a vote on what money, gear, magic, weapons and what else to throw at him.
 
We are not a charity, resurrections cost money, we will provide the magic, but he has to provide the reagents.

Can't be worse than raising the fucking Essosi to not be fuckhead slavers, who think public torture of innocents is great entertainment.

Don't forget for all Westeros is a bit more primitive, prior to our coming Westeros was the far better place to live, just because we are already halfway done improving Essos, don't mean we should treat Westeros as if it's the worse continent, it's just the continent that hasn't yet had the benefit of our rule.

Then there's the fact that we have had opportunity to purge the worst of our Essosi, whereas Westeros is as of yet unpurged, if it wasn't for fear of us and that purge, any non-Bravosi sadistic Essosi, would expect to be allowed to torture the whores in a brothel if they paid extra, as whores are slaves and so have no rights to them.

It's just we have purged most of the really sadistic ones, and the rest we have terrified into accepting the new order, so the Essosi seem less evil, because we have killed most of the stupidest, and scared most of the rest, into putting effort into not causing problems.
Thats right will murder all that stupidity into submission with our rule.
 
Thats right will murder all that stupidity into submission with our rule.
Problem is the Westerosi laws are less stupid than the Essosi laws, so the stupid people are already trained to toe the line, so we will get to kill a smaller percentage of the Westerosi idiots, as they are already used to having to hide, that they think torturing people is great fun.
 
I think the issues with the Westerosi are less "being rough with the employees" and more the misconception that their titles get them preferential treatment. Hence Sandor not causing an issue since he is just a regular customer, not an entitled asshole.

Also, it's nice how our surveillance state is coming together. Back in the day, the Illithid managed to hide a few warehouses full of Wildfyre ubder our nose. Now you can't take a shit in our city without someone writing a report about it.

@DragonParadox, what questions did Moonsong ask about Sandor and what details of his life do we have? The House of Mirrors is forwarding all of that to the Inquisition, so it should be in the report.
 
I think the issues with the Westerosi are less "being rough with the employees" and more the misconception that their titles get them preferential treatment. Hence Sandor not causing an issue since he is just a regular customer, not an entitled asshole.

Also, it's nice how our surveillance state is coming together. Back in the day, the Illithid managed to hide a few warehouses full of Wildfyre ubder our nose. Now you can't take a shit in our city without someone writing a report about it.

@DragonParadox, what questions did Moonsong ask about Sandor and what details of his life do we have? The House of Mirrors is forwarding all of that to the Inquisition, so it should be in the report.
You ever get the idea that most of the whole "secret police out of nowhere" comes from an environment which came directly from "a brain eating monster hid a shipload of wildfyre in a warehouse and firebombed all our shit and we had no idea it was coming", and that a large majority of the local Inquisition is so fucking good because of a real and raw "Never Again" policy informally being kept?
 
You ever get the idea that most of the whole "secret police out of nowhere" comes from an environment which came directly from "a brain eating monster hid a shipload of wildfyre in a warehouse and firebombed all our shit and we had no idea it was coming", and that a large majority of the local Inquisition is so fucking good because of a real and raw "Never Again" policy informally being kept?
To say nothing about the Daemon army chilling under Tyrosh. We got ample reason to erect a surveillance state, given the very clear evidence that horrible shit happens the moment you are not looking.

Also, it bears remembering that we throw a lot of money at the Inquisition. They are extremely well funded.
 
Do you think magically binding oaths and contracts signed and spoken by our nobles is viable? Honestly if think all the nobles would have a huge ducking hissy fit.

Get all nobles require to sign a contract of this kind.

www.dndbeyond.com/spells/7187-blood-contract
No, that would just chip away at our credibility when we rake Tywin over the coals for mind-controlling or otherwise magically binding his vassals to be loyal to him.

It's not worth the effort or the potential PR problems when we can simply inspire loyalty, punish betrayal, and have a well oiled secret police organization backed by magical Divination to weed out traitors.
 
To say nothing about the Daemon army chilling under Tyrosh. We got ample reason to erect a surveillance state, given the very clear evidence that horrible shit happens the moment you are not looking.

Also, it bears remembering that we throw a lot of money at the Inquisition. They are extremely well funded.

Can you put that into perspective for us? I'm sort of curious.

Like I understand how big our military machine is, but a lot is sort of "rounding error" issues since while we have to pay everyone a part of the combat arms and the logistics corps., and we avoid some costs by using state industries to supply some of the equipment, and then we go further and produce much of it ourselves using SECRET MILITARY [REDACTED], stuff like the Lawmen (what actually gets poured into it? What does our tax payers' money actually get them?) or for instance the Inquisition (I guess regular divination reports/cribbing some data from private individuals who make divinatory inquiries helps).

Like, I guess most of it is just paychecks for a lot of people, paying informants, office supplies. More data probably comes from just incessantly seeking out excuses to converse with people being spied on, as evidenced with report #9 of the festival of "I approached the Westerosi knight, bought him a drink, and asked him some innocent questions. Here's his ENTIRE LIFE STORY".
 
No, that would just chip away at our credibility when we rake Tywin over the coals for mind-controlling or otherwise magically binding his vassals to be loyal to him.

It's not worth the effort or the potential PR problems when we can simply inspire loyalty, punish betrayal, and have a well oiled secret police organization backed by magical Divination to weed out traitors.
Yeah but I'm only talking about laws punishable by death like giving demons or devils safe haven in your home to rape and.torture your civilians.
 
@TalonofAnathrax, what the fuck is with some your funny ratings?

Is this because of the Hugs?!

Sometimes you--no, wait. Shutting up now.

I may be stupid. I may be oblivious.

But I'm not gonna self-roast. I have people for that.
 
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