I might be alone in this, but I don't want Sandor to kill Gregor.
I want him to BREAK him and hand over the crippled remains to Viserys and the Martells. Yes it's probably out of character for him, but I'm sure Viserys could convince him it's the better choice.

I am fully in favour of this also. I mean, Sandor gets to watch, but should not be the one to kill him imo.

Kinslaying, even if justified, is the kinda thing we should be discouraging imo.

And if Sandor kills him, Ella won't have the opportunity.
 
We discourage the murder of parents and siblings and cousins.... even if they deserve it. However torture is fine. It is merely the act of murder we do not condone.
 
Right now Sandor doesn't even want to LIVE beyond killing Gregor. So the trick is to restore his will to live before convincing him vengeance isn't everything (though it can be had in part!)
 
That would be very thankful, thanks.:)
Well, to put a long story short, everybody would send somebody. It'd really only be houses that have a strong personal enmity towards us, are extremely religious, or being seen involved with the Dragon King in any way is untenable that would refuse to attend in any capacity. And even in a lot of those cases, they might not present a united front. For example, Lord Orwen Roxton may have fanatically taken up religion after witnessing Luncan Longfield perform a miracle in person, but his second cousin Ser Hubard Roxton holds the gods in significantly less regard and is six deaths from an inheritance of any sort, so he might decide to attend the Grand Tourney on his own initiative. After all, King Viserys is going to need a lot of new lords for the second Conquest ...

Perhaps the biggest thing will be whether the houses send a relative to attend in person, or a trusted knight to just keep an eye on the whole thing and possibly win a prize. A lot of 'neutral' houses will be very wary about potentially being seen picking a side, but on the other hand, the Targaryen's are giving away Valaryrian Steel. I'd honestly suggest rolling dice for stuff like that, considering the pure amount of major houses in question. 'House Errol gets a -20 modifier on a d100 roll with a DC of 50 to send a family member to personally attend, DC of 10 to send a subordinate to attend due to loyalty to Robert Baratheon' as a hypothetical example.
 
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Well either that or just tell him if kills enough monsters for us we will resurrect his sister, that should give him something more to live for.
I would switch order, because telling someone "your sister may live if you behave ...". I would resent that. I'd still do it, but don't count on loyalty.
 
@DragonParadox

We should have 21 Veteran Erinyes listed on the Outsiders tab of our creatures post (22 total; includes Mereth who is listed under Vassals).
 
Part MMDCXXXII: Of Strife Old and New
Of Strife Old and New

Eighteenth Day of the Eighth Month 293 AC

Lord Darry proves as amenable as you had expected to your requests, from seeking out more allies in the southern Riverlands to turning a blind eye to outlaws who fly the three-headed dragon. As for permission to hire smallfolk to be your eyes and ears he actually goes a step further and offers the help of his castellan, the aforementioned Jonthor, to find those who might be best suited for sulking and spying, and adding that you would not go far wrong hiring those free companies outright. They must have plenty of spies of their own to known when the King's forces are moving, after all.

Mention of Baelish's plans to sell crop rituals earns you a surprising tale from the days before the war. It seems the self-styled Mockingbird did not leave Riverrun under a good omen, but after being thrashed by the late Brandon Stark in a duel over the honor and presumably the hand of Catelyn Tully. It's hard to imagine the flint-hearted master of coin doing something so utterly naive. Then again, nine years is no small measure of time for a man to change, and you can well imagine how that duel could have forged the man he became, almost gleeful in living down to highborn expectations of the newly elevated.

Regardless of his reservations about Baelish, Ser Raymun is more than satisfied with your assurances that you will look over any crop ritual he buys. However, your last suggestion about where he might find willing trading partners does raise an objection.

"Wildlings, Your Grace? How can you trust them?" the lord asks incredulously.

"I certainly do not trust them to aid me out of the goodness of their hearts," you assure him. "Rather I trust them to do what is in their own best interests and in so doing finally help me put an end to the raids that have troubled the Vale since the coming of the Andals."

To his credit it does not take Ser Raymun long to realize what you mean. "You wish to give them land to farm like civilized people? Why would they want to farm when they can steal and kill as they have been doing for millennia?"

"I don't suppose they want to work the land for its own sake any more than anyone else. What they truly want is not to starve," you reply. "Raiding, hunting, and gathering wild plants all count on a certain measure upon good fortune, and luck is a fickle thing to be trusting with the lives of one's children day in and day out."

A moment later the Riverlord nods. "The Arryns have been trying to kill the clans ever since they took the Vale. Mayhap it is time to try and tie them down, though I hope you will not take offense at my saying that I would prefer them well away from my lands when that day comes."

"No offense taken as none was meant," you answer easily before moving on to explain the list of contacts Dalla had given you when last you met.

***​

As Ser Raymun heads off into the city alongside his nephew and another of his household knights you turn your gaze to an Inquisition report regarding another visitor from the Seven Kingdoms. Sandor Clegane, brother to the Mountain-that-Rides, is emphatically not a knight, as he explained quite forcefully to the Inquisition agent who had tried to strike up an acquiescence on his first evening in the city. He is also, according to as yet unverified rumors, on very poor terms with his elder brother. For now you put more stock and hope in the rest of the report, which paints a picture of good behavior so far, no hint that he might be spying, not even any drunkenness or tavern brawls. Even investigating the brothel he had patronized showed no complaints.

Acceptable company, though hardly entertaining... the report reads. Better than many who call themselves knights managed. Being tossed out of a brothel for being disruptive is second only to drunken brawls in the number of incidents involving Westerosi come to compete in the tourney according to the Lawmen.

You could certainly have use for a man who had risen so far in the melee, not to mention the slap in the face of Lannister pride if he defects.

What do you do next?

[] Speak to Ser Benjicot about his band of loyalists in the Riverlands
-[] Write in

[] Approach Mors Umber to see why the man is here so openly
-[] Write in

[] Approach Sandor to learn more about him and possibly to recruit him
-[] Write in

[] Stay here and write the letter to Lord Stark about the danger Bloodraven averted
-[] Write in


OOC: The reason why Viserys calls mention of Sandor hating Gregor unsubstantiated rumors is because we are still six years before canon. Sandor has had a lot less time to make his hatred of his brother clear and public.
 
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Of Strife Old and New

Eighteenth Day of the Eighth Month 293 AC

Lord Darry proves as amenable as you had expected to your requests, from seeking out more allies in the southern Riverlands to turning a blind eye to outlaws who fly the three-headed dragon. As for permission to hire smallfolk to be your eyes and ears he actually goes a step further and offers the help of his castellan, the aforementioned Jonthor to find those who might be best suited for sulking and spying and adding that you would not go far wrong hiring those free companies outright. They must have plenty of spies of their own to known when the King's forces are moving, after all.

Mention of Baelish's plans to sell crop rituals earns you a surprising tale from the days before the war. It seems the self-styled Mockingbird did not leave Riverrun under a good omen, but after being thrashed by the late Brandon Stark in a duel over the honor and presumably the hand of Catelyn Tully. It's hard to imagine the flint-hearted Master of Coin doing something so utterly naive. Then again nine years is no small measure of time for a man to change, and you can well imagine how that duel could have forged the man he became, almost gleeful in living down to highborn expectations of the newly elevated.

Regardless of his reservations about Baelish, Ser Raymun is more than satisfied with your assurances that you will look over any crop ritual he buys. However, your last suggestion about where he might find willing trade partners does raise an objection.

"Wildlings, Your Grace? How can you trust them?" the lord asks incredulously.

"I certainly do not trust them to aid me out of the goodness of their hearts," you assure him. "Rather I trust them to do what is in their own best interests and in so doing finally help me put an end to the raids that have troubled the Vale since the Andal conquest."

To his credit it does not take Ser Raymun long to realize what you mean. "You wish to give them land to farm like civilized people? Why would they want to farm when they can steal and kill as they have been doing for centuries?"

"I don't suppose they want to work the land for its own sake any more than anyone else. What they truly want is not to starve," you reply. "Raiding, hunting, and gathering wild plants all count in a certain measure upon good fortune, and luck is a fickle thing to be trusting with the lives of one's children day in and day out."

A moment later the Riverlord nods. "The Arryns have been trying to kill the clans ever since they took the Vale. Mayhap it is time to try and tie them down, though I hope you will not take offense at my saying that I would prefer them well away from my lands when that day comes."

"No offense taken as none was meant," you answer easily before moving on to explain the list of contacts Dalla had given you when last you met.

***​

As Ser Raymun heads off into the city alongside his nephew and another of his household knights you turn your gaze to an Inquisition report regarding another visitor from the Seven Kingdoms. Sandor Clegane, brother to the Mountain-that-Rides, is empathically not a knight, as he explained quite forcefully to the Inquisition agent who had tried to strike up an acquiescence on his first evening in the city. He is also according to as yet unverified rumor on very poor terms with his elder brother. For now you put more stock and hope in the rest of the report, which paints a picture of good behavior so far, no hint that he might be spying, not even any drunkenness or tavern brawls. Even investigating the brothel he had patronized showed no complaints.

Acceptable company though hardly entertaining... the report reads. Better than many who call themselves knights managed. Being tossed out of a brothel for being disruptive is second only to drunken brawls in the number of incidents involving Westerosi come to compete in the tourney according to the Lawmen.

You could certainly have use for a man who had risen so far in the melee, not to mention the slap in the face of Lannister pride if he defects.

What do you do next?

[] Speak to Ser Benjicot about his band of loyalists in the Riverlands
-[] Write in

[] Approach Mors Umber to see why the man is here so openly
-[] Write in

[] Approach Sandor to learn more about him and possibility to recruit him
-[] Write in

[] Stay here and write the letter to Lord Stark about the danger Bloodraven averted
-[] Write in


OOC: The reason why Viserys calls mention of Sandor hating Gregor unsubstantiated rumor is because we are still six years before canon. Sandor has had a lot less time to make his hatred of his brother clear and public.
Emphatically vs. empathically in this update, DP.
 
Well I kinda want to write a letter to Stark. Get that out of the way. I imagine that that will be easy enough...unless we are planning on going to Winterfell? Are we?
 
Just a letter delivered via construct raven.

So write up a letter via construct and then continue on is fine isn't it? Like say this.


[] Approach Sandor to learn more about him and possibility to recruit him
-[] Write in

[] Stay here and write the letter to Lord Stark about the danger Bloodraven averted
-[] Write in


We could do both couldn't we? In one vote that is?
 
So write up a letter via construct and then continue on is fine isn't it? Like say this.


[] Approach Sandor to learn more about him and possibility to recruit him
-[] Write in

[] Stay here and write the letter to Lord Stark about the danger Bloodraven averted
-[] Write in


We could do both couldn't we? In one vote that is?

I would prefer only one since I'm planning to space these votes out alongside others throughout the festival arc.
 
Personally I would prefer to do 2 right now, since I just know that we will otherwise run out of time.

@DragonParadox, remember how minor actions bog down our end of the month sometimes? Please let us do 2 of them. Especially as the letter to Stark is hardly going to end with much narrative right now.
 
How do you manage to get kicked out of a brothel? All you have to do is show them basic respect and courtesy and pay upfront.

Honestly the more I hear about these Westerosi barbarians the more I despair of the gargantuan amount of work we'll have to do just to raise them to something resembling civilized.
 
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