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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Crake said:
I get the feeling by the end of this tourney thing the only grievance Oberyn and Sandor will still share with each other is wanting to be the one to kill Gregor Clegane.
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They can fight for the honour. They are both here so winner gets the chance to murder the Mountain. Or at least first dibs to kill him. After that fair game for any party.
 
DragonParadox said:
Yeah, that would go against Viserys' principles against torturing someone for entertainment which is what raising and re-killing would be.
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That one dude... with the accidental demon summoning...

So pissed, so, so much hatred.

Torturing someone for business however is acceptable. Actually we can just read peoples minds now never mind.

Detect thoughts must be one of the inquisitions favorite spells.
 
firefrog600 said:
yeah xors pretty nice.
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Nicer than most people, also better at understanding people than most people.

Can't wait for him to figure out that's a hole with no bottom.

Wonder if the Shaitan have a term for that...

As an extreme aside.
So for quite a while I was thinking about what the Djinn leader said about not understanding a "cold that wishes to devour all things". Which I wondered about, and how we might go explaining the abstract nature of cold energy as a negative to fire.

Fortunately a clear and simple answer came to mind. Vacuums. I bet the plane of air has them, extreme weather conditions will make them if nothing else. Even beyond that, airs nature is to go... up, up and above. Above for the prime material is the dark tapestry. A heatless, airless void of existence utterly hostile and unlivable to all but the most hardened life. So that left me wondering if like. The elemental plane has any... portals to the dark tapestry. Large black rifts in the plane which devour seemingly everything without ever filling, but are not nearly as deadly as black holes.

For shaitan... I had to go... deeper.

Into the elemental plane of water!

Because something water and earth share, is the elemental connection to darkness. The light less depths of the sea rather compliment the light less depths of the earth no?

And that specific, underworldy darkness makes itself as the Abyss. (no not the demon one, unless were really fucked.)

In contrast to airs nature to be above things, the nature of earth is to be below. To be the foundation. The firmament. So what happens when you dig past that?

Whats below the bedrock reality sits on? The cthonian depths of the endless ocean likely hold all manner of impossible nightmarish horrors and alien geometries. Even beyond what the inhabitants of the plane know. The same horrors likely, no, I am certain the same horrors dwell within the deepest and blackest depths of elemental earth.

I wan't really going anywhere with this, this is just a neat theory I came up with and thought I would share... at 3 am. Goodnight everybody!
 
Hard to imagine, since we can't even imagine our own universe as being truly endless.

Though that might have more to do with our inability to comprehend reality further than what we can perceive and observe, even above things that can be perceived or observed, but that we lack the means to do so.

For instance, we could travel to "ass-end of Elemental Plane of Earth" millions of miles away from the Opaline Vault, and, presumably, the ever present influence of the Endless Empire and the probing agents of the Brazen Throne, but I get the feeling the setting draws you towards these 'civilized' areas simply because you'll only find true wilderness environments. Like flying over the sea of flame until you stop seeing outposts and ports for a few weeks. Then maybe dipping through a firmament and ending up back in familiar territory.

Or somewhere utterly foreign, settled by strange peoples, a lost enclave trying to get away from the grasping influence of Geniekind, or perhaps a kingdom tributary held under the sway of an Elemental Lord.

Same applies everywhere really.

Except if you float off somewhere on the Plane of Water, it's motherfucking Krakens and sea monsters all the way down... and the occasional shoal of fish.

If it hasn't been eaten by krakens yet.

Seriously, fuck krakens.
 
Snowfire said:
I'm not completely happy with this chapter as there's a lot of…what just feels like infodump. But there's also a limit to what I can really do about that, with a basic lack of anyone Viserys can talk to about this – Harry and Molly are out because of their Mantles. Dark Sister and Varys are there, and they help, but neither are in the same space as Viserys academically. So he's doing a lot of internal thought, and writing a lot of notes. And when he gets distracted, he talks with Naomi or trains. It's not entirely healthy, but it's functional.
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Thanking about this, maybe the girl he rescued would not be the worst person to bounce ideas off of. Obviously she would not have any knowledge of magic, but a fresh perspective even a wholly uninformed can set one on an interesting track. Plus even if it does not help Viserys talking about the subject could provide an interesting lesson for the girl. Of course that would also made the chapter longer as it would have to include reactions and character development which could have broken your rhythm for the segment.

This is just a bit of brainstorming on my part. Ultimately it depends on where you want to take the story and the characters.
 
DragonParadox said:
Thanking about this, maybe the girl he rescued would not be the worst person to bounce ideas off of. Obviously she would not have any knowledge of magic, but a fresh perspective even a wholly uninformed can set one on an interesting track. Plus even if it does not help Viserys talking about the subject could provide an interesting lesson for the girl. Of course that would also made the chapter longer as it would have to include reactions and character development which could have broken your rhythm for the segment.

This is just a bit of brainstorming on my part. Ultimately it depends on where you want to take the story and the characters.
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Also the precociousness of children means they will immediately latch onto all obvious solutions that present themselves, ones that adults might overlook because "it can't really be that simple, can it?"
 
DragonParadox said:
Thanking about this, maybe the girl he rescued would not be the worst person to bounce ideas off of. Obviously she would not have any knowledge of magic, but a fresh perspective even a wholly uninformed can set one on an interesting track. Plus even if it does not help Viserys talking about the subject could provide an interesting lesson for the girl. Of course that would also made the chapter longer as it would have to include reactions and character development which could have broken your rhythm for the segment.

This is just a bit of brainstorming on my part. Ultimately it depends on where you want to take the story and the characters.
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I mean duh we've all read the evil overlord list. Always keep an average child to check if you make mistakes.
 
Crake said:
Hard to imagine, since we can't even imagine our own universe as being truly endless.

Though that might have more to do with our inability to comprehend reality further than what we can perceive and observe, even above things that can be perceived or observed, but that we lack the means to do so.

For instance, we could travel to "ass-end of Elemental Plane of Earth" millions of miles away from the Opaline Vault, and, presumably, the ever present influence of the Endless Empire and the probing agents of the Brazen Throne, but I get the feeling the setting draws you towards these 'civilized' areas simply because you'll only find true wilderness environments. Like flying over the sea of flame until you stop seeing outposts and ports for a few weeks. Then maybe dipping through a firmament and ending up back in familiar territory.

Or somewhere utterly foreign, settled by strange peoples, a lost enclave trying to get away from the grasping influence of Geniekind, or perhaps a kingdom tributary held under the sway of an Elemental Lord.

Same applies everywhere really.

Except if you float off somewhere on the Plane of Water, it's motherfucking Krakens and sea monsters all the way down... and the occasional shoal of fish.

If it hasn't been eaten by krakens yet.

Seriously, fuck krakens.
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Infinite Planes that become finite when you stop looking at them.

Fantasy Physics is a dick.
 
Deliste said:
Infinite Planes that become finite when you stop looking at them.

Fantasy Physics is a dick.
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I think this quandary really is unknowable. It is clearly empirical that no matter how far the Endless Empire expands, there is more untamed wild lands yet to be settled, and that you can sail far far away beyond the reach of the Brazen Throne and find strange lands never before seen, either unsettled because of how environmentally dangerous the locale is, or mired in its own queer politics.

And so it might be elsewhere. Heck, you got the also currently unknowable question about whether other worlds exist in the Prime Material (clearly they do, Pathfinder becomes a Sci-Fi setting, and if we're going off old cosmology with only a hint of Pathfinder, there could be other fantasy settings out there).

That's all irrelevant as you said so long as you're not paying attention to them, and they never seem to have any real effect on what you're doing. Metaphysics can drive plot, too, like only the big ancient planar empires ever being relevant, if ever, on PM politics, despite the fact that there likely exists nations out in the planes with wealth and military force to dwarf a single continent (but no way to leverage it, unlike the Genies).
 
Crake said:
I think this quandary really is unknowable. It is clearly empirical that no matter how far the Endless Empire expands, there is more untamed wild lands yet to be settled, and that you can sail far far away beyond the reach of the Brazen Throne and find strange lands never before seen, either unsettled because of how environmentally dangerous the locale is, or mired in its own queer politics.

And so it might be elsewhere. Heck, you got the also currently unknowable question about whether other worlds exist in the Prime Material (clearly they do, Pathfinder becomes a Sci-Fi setting, and if we're going off old cosmology with only a hint of Pathfinder, there could be other fantasy settings out there).

That's all irrelevant as you said so long as you're not paying attention to them, and they never seem to have any real effect on what you're doing. Metaphysics can drive plot, too, like only the big ancient planar empires ever being relevant, if ever, on PM politics, despite the fact that there likely exists nations out in the planes with wealth and military force to dwarf a single continent (but no way to leverage it, unlike the Genies).
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Even the latter thought doesn't really fit, if infinite there should be empires meeting and exceeding the Endless and the Brazen both materially and their ability to leverage it.
 
Deliste said:
Even the latter thought doesn't really fit, if infinite there should be empires meeting and exceeding the Endless and the Brazen both materially and their ability to leverage it.
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Metaphysical fuckery. Likely engineered into the framework of the plane, "there shall never be an Empire more grand here than X", and when and if it should ever fall, whatever replaces it will be much the same.

Though for an Empire of the scale of the Shaitan or Efreet to stand for thousands upon thousands of years, so long that even the Freehold seems young, would seem to me to prove that there is more than just inertia allowing it to serve as the focal point of the plane.

It may be short-sighted world building, but it's simplified greatly if whatever engineered the multiverse did so with a specific goal in mind. Clearly things can change, since even further back you have that story of all the Genies gathered together in the City of Gold, barring the Marid, and even further back than that you probably have wild stories from a time before they built their great cities and had their great and ancient laws and lineages marked down through the ages on endless scrolls and tablets, however much it might chaff their pride to think they were not always the best thing since Ao invented sliced bread.
 
Crake said:
Metaphysical fuckery. Likely engineered into the framework of the plane, "there shall never be an Empire more grand here than X", and when and if it should ever fall, whatever replaces it will be much the same.

Though for an Empire of the scale of the Shaitan or Efreet to stand for thousands upon thousands of years, so long that even the Freehold seems young, would seem to me to prove that there is more than just inertia allowing it to serve as the focal point of the plane.

It may be short-sighted world building, but it's simplified greatly if whatever engineered the multiverse did so with a specific goal in mind. Clearly things can change, since even further back you have that story of all the Genies gathered together in the City of Gold, barring the Marid, and even further back than that you probably have wild stories from a time before they built their great cities and had their great and ancient laws and lineages marked down through the ages on endless scrolls and tablets, however much it might chaff their pride to think they were not always the best thing since Ao invented sliced bread.
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All praise dp for when he created all of existence he also created sliced bread. I wonder if there was a time of troubles in dps setting. If there was it was a great mistake the gods and mortals of that time never killed the bitch tiamat or rhllor
 
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People, an Elemental plane is never truly empty. There are a bajillion spirits that emerge from more or less nothing, after all.

You could avoid large quantities of Shaitan, but not natural Earth creatures.
 
Crake said:
Metaphysical fuckery. Likely engineered into the framework of the plane, "there shall never be an Empire more grand here than X", and when and if it should ever fall, whatever replaces it will be much the same.

Though for an Empire of the scale of the Shaitan or Efreet to stand for thousands upon thousands of years, so long that even the Freehold seems young, would seem to me to prove that there is more than just inertia allowing it to serve as the focal point of the plane.

It may be short-sighted world building, but it's simplified greatly if whatever engineered the multiverse did so with a specific goal in mind. Clearly things can change, since even further back you have that story of all the Genies gathered together in the City of Gold, barring the Marid, and even further back than that you probably have wild stories from a time before they built their great cities and had their great and ancient laws and lineages marked down through the ages on endless scrolls and tablets, however much it might chaff their pride to think they were not always the best thing since Ao invented sliced bread.
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No.

NO.



If you're right then you have to read your example of the Genie again, universal constants and limits yet a mutable history resembling tropes Crake and if the Greatest Over-Deity chose to instill universal laws that resemble tropes...

The Over-Deity is a [redacted] [redacted] [redaaaaaaacted] Fey!!
Adhoc vote count started by Deliste on Feb 18, 2019 at 3:35 AM, finished with 379 posts and 18 votes.
  • [X] Snowfire
    [X] Plan Recompense and Revelry
    -[X] "It is in these days of revelry when we are not only reminded of the things to be joyous about, but also of the empty seats at our tables. I did not come here on a whim. It was the memory of a debt owed to your house and which, with the power gained in the years since it was accrued, I might begin to repay."
    -[X] "House Darry has given my family service far beyond any requirement, and it sits ill with my sister and I for them to be absent on this day of celebration when others who fought against us have come and make merry in our city."
    -[X] "So in that spirit I would offer you this. Passage by magic to my city for you or a party of yours, under glamour if you would wish it, to partake in the festival, or even those remaining events of the tournament." Implicit in this will also be the promise of return to his home, made explicit if needed. We will offer Ribbons of Disguise, as a loan.
    -[X] Before returning him home, we may make the offer of Resurrecting Willem, if Raymun has found the reality of Sorcerer's Deep to be pleasing.
    --[X] The plan here is to use this to judge again his acceptance of magic and what it can do. From that, we can make the offer of returning Willem when we see him or his party back home.
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Deliste said:
No.

NO.



If you're right then you have to read your example of the Genie again, universal constants and limits yet a mutable history resembling tropes Crake and if the Greatest Over-Deity chose to instill universal laws that resemble tropes...

The Over-Deity is a [redacted] [redacted] [redaaaaaaacted] Fey!!
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I mean the universe is literally somewhat run by d&d and pathfinder tropes. That's a caveat of literally being mechanically run with a bunch of their rules even if heavily edited.
 
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