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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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TotallyNotEvil said:
Except now the author is behind Mindblank, she likely can't spy the document being written, which probably already fucks the spell, said spell certainly can't pluck the knowledge from the author's head as it usually does.
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Or she understands the concept when it's written down, independent of the author. Because the writing is just a key to an understanding of reality, and reality is everywere. Because when BS, BS right.
 
DragonParadox said:
Thanking about this, maybe the girl he rescued would not be the worst person to bounce ideas off of. Obviously she would not have any knowledge of magic, but a fresh perspective even a wholly uninformed can set one on an interesting track. Plus even if it does not help Viserys talking about the subject could provide an interesting lesson for the girl. Of course that would also made the chapter longer as it would have to include reactions and character development which could have broken your rhythm for the segment.

This is just a bit of brainstorming on my part. Ultimately it depends on where you want to take the story and the characters.
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It did cross my mind, but only after I was a good way into the chapter - enough that I couldn't really stomach going back and restarting. Naomi also doesn't have an altogether firm voice in my head right now: she's present as a ward that exists, but not much more. I do very much appreciate your thoughts on the matter, though. Might be relevant in a later passage.

I will assume by the general lack of thrown torches and pitchforks that I did, in fact, manage to portray Viserys as being the highly intelligent person that he is in this scenario, though. This pleases me.

Re: everything on the matter of Ivy, even if Mind Blank is getting in her way (given her purpose, I'm unsure) the Archive itself is freakishly intelligent and there're probably enough pages of notes at this point that she can crack the language brute-force. She's a conceptual entity, after all. Within her dedicated sphere, there's not much likely capable of stopping her doing what she's meant to do.
 
Mind Blank explicitly doesn't protect us from things like "talking to the stones we walked over as we spoke" (see Varys). I expect the Archive to see this.
 
@Azel, just saw the constuct armor threadmark and noticed two of the versions lacked pics.

I found a ton of potential ones for it. Hope at least some of these fit.












 
Also, @TotallyNotEvil to be clear, Ivy gathering information isn't an explicit spell effect, in my opinion. It's just literally what that giant ball of power on the same order of magnitude as a Faerie Queen and with an equal or greater (more probably the latter) level of available knowledge does. The Archive knows everything written down. This is simply what she is and does.

High Valyrian is new to her, but it's not an insurmountable obstacle. She's probably having fun with it, learning something new, and if she was slightly less restricted she'd probably have outright called Viserys and asked to visit by now.
 
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Could this be a decent armor pic for Richard? It's red, spiky and Valyrian-ish without being obviously aligned to something else or impractical.


Asking for the character art threadmark.
 
Snowfire said:
Also, @TotallyNotEvil to be clear, Ivy gathering information isn't an explicit spell effect, in my opinion. It's just literally what that giant ball of power on the same order of magnitude as a Faerie Queen and with an equal or greater (quite possibly the latter) level of available knowledge does. The Archive knows everything written down. This is simply what she is and does.

High Valyrian is new to her, but it's not an insurmountable obstacle. She's probably having fun with it, learning something new, and if she was slightly less restricted she'd probably have outright called Viserys and asked to visit by now.
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Doesn't Ivy more or less run a secretive organisation dedicated to killing anything that comes through the Outer Gates?
If she can see him making research notes on how to bypass it, I don't expect her to be amused.
 
TalonofAnathrax said:
Mind Blank explicitly doesn't protect us from things like "talking to the stones we walked over as we spoke" (see Varys). I expect the Archive to see this.
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Keep in mind Varys did not see you, he saw his simulacrum dying and guessed from the manner it did so who killed it.

Anyway vote closed.
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Feb 18, 2019 at 4:17 AM, finished with 119 posts and 12 votes.
  • [X] Plan Recompense and Revelry
    -[X] "It is in these days of revelry when we are not only reminded of the things to be joyous about, but also of the empty seats at our tables. I did not come here on a whim. It was the memory of a debt owed to your house and which, with the power gained in the years since it was accrued, I might begin to repay."
    -[X] "House Darry has given my family service far beyond any requirement, and it sits ill with my sister and I for them to be absent on this day of celebration when others who fought against us have come and make merry in our city."
    -[X] "So in that spirit I would offer you this. Passage by magic to my city for you or a party of yours, under glamour if you would wish it, to partake in the festival, or even those remaining events of the tournament." Implicit in this will also be the promise of return to his home, made explicit if needed. We will offer Ribbons of Disguise, as a loan.
    -[X] Before returning him home, we may make the offer of Resurrecting Willem, if Raymun has found the reality of Sorcerer's Deep to be pleasing.
    --[X] The plan here is to use this to judge again his acceptance of magic and what it can do. From that, we can make the offer of returning Willem when we see him or his party back home.
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Snowfire said:
Re: everything on the matter of Ivy, even if Mind Blank is getting in her way (given her purpose, I'm unsure) the Archive itself is freakishly intelligent and there're probably enough pages of notes at this point that she can crack the language brute-force. She's a conceptual entity, after all. Within her dedicated sphere, there's not much likely capable of stopping her doing what she's meant to do.
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She's the repository of all knowledge (written down), right? Does that include the funny tablets (also those not found yet) in languages we cannot translate (nowadays)? Because if yes, she's working on a conceptual level like you said, and the author is only providing a key in the sense of 'this belongs to human knowledge'.
 
Wait a minute... @Duesal, @egoo, Yss is awake now, right?
How are the Westerosi taking him, @DragonParadox? On that note, how about Mel? Is Rina still teaching her and is she interested in meeting Yss?

Also, we're planning to raise the Dawn Age Tree to signal the end of the festival, we can use the sacrifice of Varys and Tor (nooooooo!) to signal another great dreaming of Yss (Food Coma!), so we need to give respects to the Merling King too. Good thing he accepts coins as offerings (Valaena's offering of coins got her an +knowledge score of the sea).

Think we can get an official offering day out of this?

[X] Snowfire
 
TalonofAnathrax said:
Doesn't Ivy more or less run a secretive organisation dedicated to killing anything that comes through the Outer Gates?
If she can see him making research notes on how to bypass it, I don't expect her to be amused.
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She doesn't run it but she's a major and important member if the organization which includes gods, fey, mages, supernatural races, and a bunch of other groups interested in not having reality ruled by eldrich beings
 
MTB said:
She's the repository of all knowledge (written down), right? Does that include the funny tablets (also those not found yet) in languages we cannot translate (nowadays)? Because if yes, she's working on a conceptual level like you said, and the author is only providing a key in the sense of 'this belongs to human knowledge'.
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Given her real purpose, the only answer I can give which makes sense is yes. If it's written down, she knows it. If she knows it, she can understand it. Viserys' notes are something of an edge case due to extrauniversal language, but that just means she has to work a bit to understand them.

Understandably, she's finding that process fascinating.

Ivy: This must be what everyone else feels like! Kincaid, am I right? Is this what having to do work feels like?
Kincaid: :facepalm:...stop being adorable it's bad for my image.
 
MTB said:
She's the repository of all knowledge (written down), right? Does that include the funny tablets (also those not found yet) in languages we cannot translate (nowadays)? Because if yes, she's working on a conceptual level like you said, and the author is only providing a key in the sense of 'this belongs to human knowledge'.
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Yes its very bullshit. Its records all written down knowledge even knowledge in the never never or the internet. If its not recorded them its not out there. It doesn't exactly give innate understandin of what the writing means but it does give complete memorization of all written knowledge. For example someone could just write down the words hey and the word dude shed have it memorized but she wouldn't know who wrote it or anything like that if its not written down.

The main purpose of the archive who is ivy is that she's meant to know all knowledge that can relate to outsiders and keep it non existent at all costs.
 
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Snowfire said:
Given her real purpose, the only answer I can give which makes sense is yes. If it's written down, she knows it. If she knows it, she can understand it. Viserys' notes are something of an edge case due to extrauniversal language, but that just means she has to work a bit to understand them.

Understandably, she's finding that process fascinating.

Ivy: This must be what everyone else feels like! Kincaid, am I right? Is this what having to do work feels like?
Kincaid: :facepalm:...stop being adorable it's bad for my image.
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And then she would still get only a fraction of it, because Viserys is unlikely to write down all the magical theory he has memorized and which is necessary to understand his work.


On the matter of Yss, can we get him a seat in the stands?
 
Azel said:
And then she would still get only a fraction of it, because Viserys is unlikely to write down all the magical theory he has memorized and which is necessary to understand his work.
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Indeed so. Of course, the Archive is one of the few beings that is probably capable of extrapolating from that. Although Ivy herself is...I think she'll be somewhere around 18 at this point. Anyway. The Archive as I see it gives her effective 'knowledge' modifiers of +Yes. Though again, she has to work for it. Which, again, she's probably enjoying far more than anyone else would.

Azel said:
On the matter of Yss, can we get him a seat in the stands?
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Oh my god yes :lol
 
Snowfire said:
Also, @TotallyNotEvil to be clear, Ivy gathering information isn't an explicit spell effect, in my opinion. It's just literally what that giant ball of power on the same order of magnitude as a Faerie Queen and with an equal or greater (more probably the latter) level of available knowledge does. The Archive knows everything written down. This is simply what she is and does.

High Valyrian is new to her, but it's not an insurmountable obstacle. She's probably having fun with it, learning something new, and if she was slightly less restricted she'd probably have outright called Viserys and asked to visit by now.
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I don't question whether or not the Archive has automatically recorded Viserys' writings, but she is not omniscient, nor does she have an infinite attention span. She would need to have her attention called to a specific bit of writing to even become aware of it so that she could study it as anything beyond the trillions of words written on Earth per day, or she would need a reason to seek it out, before there could be any attempts to decipher the language. And even if she did become aware of it, I question her ability to ever understand the language unless there were similar writings at some point in the distant past which she could use as a starting point.

With no frame of reference and without an extensive body of text to use for a proper linguistic analysis, Viserys' notes should be quite impenetrable. He's not writing in his diary, after all, but making magical notations based on his experiments and research. And we've also seen that Dresden-verse magic is completely different than D&D magic. It would be like a D&D Wizard trying to understand a Shadowrun Shaman's spell formulae.
 
Well, if anyone tried to decipher Newtonian physics from my notes for some project or another, they would have better odds extrapolating them from the recipe for Newton figs...
 
Goldfish said:
I don't question whether or not the Archive has automatically recorded Viserys' writings, but she is not omniscient, nor does she have an infinite attention span. She would need to have her attention called to a specific bit of writing to even become aware of it so that she could study it as anything beyond the trillions of words written on Earth per day, or she would need a reason to seek it out, before there could be any attempts to decipher the language. And even if she did become aware of it, I question her ability to ever understand the language unless there were similar writings at some point in the distant past which she could use as a starting point.

With no frame of reference and without an extensive body of text to use for a proper linguistic analysis, Viserys' notes should be quite impenetrable. He's not writing in his diary, after all, but making magical notations based on his experiments and research. And we've also seen that Dresden-verse magic is completely different than D&D magic. It would be like a D&D Wizard trying to understand a Shadowrun Shaman's spell formulae.
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No there's an instance in one of the books where Dresden just writes down his name and says to ivy to call him. She replies instantly.

Also its hinted to be sort of like intillectus which is basically limited situational omniscience.

Even Dresden got limited intillectus for demonreach as its warden and knows about literally every single tree branch and water drop when he's on the island.

I've read every Dresden files book like three times so yes she does know everything written down on everything.
 
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TalonofAnathrax said:
Could this be a decent armor pic for Richard? It's red, spiky and Valyrian-ish without being obviously aligned to something else or impractical.


Asking for the character art threadmark.
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No, that's hideous.

This is Richard's armor. Bit too spiky for my tastes, but it's not so ugly as to keep Richard from wearing it.

 
Azel said:
Well, if anyone tried to decipher Newtonian physics from my notes for some project or another, they would have better odds extrapolating them from the recipe for Newton figs...
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Not everyone is as idiosyncratic as you :V

Goldfish said:
No, that's hideous.

This is Richard's armor. Bit too spiky for my tastes, but it's not so ugly as to keep Richard from wearing it.

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Except it's gold now, because of the Celestial.
 
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