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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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TalonofAnathrax said:
And of course Mammon can just go crying home to the big mambajamba, daddy Asmodeus. Asmodeus will probably come, too: if there's one thing you can trust devils to do it's obey their oaths, lord to mighty vassal included!
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Um...it's not really Asmodeus' problem if Mammon gets played, again, by Viserys. Asmodeus would be reasonably expected to help defend his vassal if we attempted to attack the Third Circle with divine support, but not to go on a field trip like you're implying.
 
Crake said:
We are not sacrificing a Major Artifact to give a God a new car to drive around.

We're either doing nothing with it, because we have no practical means to deal with or contain what is within other than the Artifact itself, and possibly use it as a last resort deterrent come to that (it worked for the Qarthii).

Or when we do finally decide what to do with it, it directly and personally powers Viserys up.

Using the juice for another Mythic Tier sounds quite sufficient.
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Using the juice for a Mythic Tier would be amazing. Though DP implied that we'd have to sacrifice both the artifact and then deal with the dragon inside, so we need some plan to fight a Red Dragon that's CR 23 minimum.
 
Duesal said:
Using the juice for a Mythic Tier would be amazing. Though DP implied that we'd have to sacrifice both the artifact and then deal with the dragon inside, so we need some plan to fight a Red Dragon that's CR 23 minimum.
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Twenty wands of Reached Shivering Touch built to the highest CL possible :V

Firing every round.
 
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TalonofAnathrax said:
I want to know what Varys' plans to deal with Tiamat and Mammon are, actually. PRIORITY N°1!

That sounds like the best loot!
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It probably involved double-crossing both of them, while somehow kicking open the gates of Hell to let the Demonic armies of the Abyss run rampant through the Nine.

That, or an arranged marriage between Tiamat and Mammon, during which he opens a Gate to the Abyss, again allowing the Demonic armies of the Abyss to pour through.
TotallyNotEvil said:
So, uh, shouldn't we get the Sinulacra done post-haste?

Get Uncle to go through Pycelle's mind too, and send their simulacra on the way?
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Varys actually covered for us in this regard. After we melted his Simulacrum and kidnapped Pycelle, he returned to the Red Keep, pretended to be Pycelle in order to avoid being implicated in his kidnapping, then told the servants he would be in bed and not to disturb him. This gives us quite a bit of leeway before we need to return Replicant!Pycelle and Varys to the Red Keep.
 
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As far as vassal-liege relationships go, the liege is under no obligation to join a war that his underling caused and that is ultimately what Mammons operations on Planetos are. Him starting a war for his own gain.

And that isn't even taking into account the fact that Asmodeus is probably still very and truly livid over Mammon bargaining away a exception clause in the Pact Primeval. This isn't done. At all. It's far more likely that, if Mammon calls upon him, Asmodeus will tell him to sit in a corner, think closely about what he has done, and to never again mention this retarded pissing match.

The only reason Asmodeus would help him is to save Baators reputation.
 
Snowfire said:
Um...it's not really Asmodeus' problem if Mammon gets played, again, by Viserys. Asmodeus would be reasonably expected to help defend his vassal if we attempted to attack the Third Circle with divine support, but not to go on a field trip like you're implying.
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Viserys, to Mages in a lecture hall: "This lesson can be summed up quite easily: Don't ever play yourself."

Viserys, showing slides of Diabolist pacts: "Don't ever play yourself..."

Viserys, yanking tarp from his marble statue of a dismembered and debased Mammon: "...don't ever play yourself."

Viserys, tapping his globe shaped Mythal battery with a golden snake inside:

 
Goldfish said:
Varys actually covered for us in this regard. After we melted his Simulacrum and kidnapped Pycelle, he returned to the Red Keep, pretended to be Pycelle in order to avoid being implicated in his kidnapping, then told the servants he would be in bed and not to disturb him. This gives us quite a bit of leeway before we need to return Replicant!Pycelle and Varys to the Red Keep.
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We are now literally the 'deep state lizard people' :lol
 
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Azel said:
As far as vassal-liege relationships go, the liege is under no obligation to join a war that his underling caused and that is ultimately what Mammons operations on Planetos are. Him starting a war for his own gain.

And that isn't even taking into account the fact that Asmodeus is probably still very and truly livid over Mammon bargaining away a exception clause in the Pact Primeval. This isn't done. At all. It's far more likely that, if Mammon calls upon him, Asmodeus will tell him to sit in a corner, think closely about what he has done, and to never again mention this retarded pissing match.

The only reason Asmodeus would help him is to save Baators reputation.
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I really hope Mammon doesn't learn his lesson. I was hoping for round 2 once every Companion gets a few Mythic tiers.
 
Snowfire said:
Realtalk here, if Mammon could even enter Yss' divine realm, Yss would absolutely kick his ass without any help required from us. You do not fight a deity in their Realm unless you have similar power, a mitigating device, or a death wish. Any combination of the three works too.
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He, what could a deity with 'death' and 'rebirth' as domains do to an interloper?
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Ups.
 
Snowfire said:
Twenty wands of Reached Shivering Touch built to the highest CL possible :V

Firing every round.
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And then he had persisted Sheltered Vitality/undead immunities...

Ah Shivering Touch, why you so fucked up?
Goldfish said:
Varys actually covered for us in this regard. After we melted his Simulacrum and kidnapped Pycelle, he returned to the Red Keep, pretended to be Pycelle in order to avoid being implicated in his kidnapping, then told the servants he would be in bed and not to disturb him. This gives us quite a bit of leeway before we need to return Replicant!Pycelle and Varys to the Red Keep.
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I am aware, but these talks usually go on for hours/days.
 
Duesal said:
I really hope Mammon doesn't learn his lesson. I was hoping for round 2 once every Companion gets a few Mythic tiers.
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Honestly, seeing as how everyone got their fair shots in during that fight, I argue pretty much everyone there qualifies for at least one Mythic Tier already...

...but I'm not gonna complain seeing as how I'm fairly sure the next time we got up against a Quasi-Deific avatar it will likely be Tiamat, and I don't think anyone could justify going up against that, surviving, and winning and not making the jump to Mythic.

If it was good enough for the Fourteen, it's good enough for the Companions.
 
Crake said:
Honestly, seeing as how everyone got their fair shots in during that fight, I argue pretty much everyone there qualifies for at least one Mythic Tier already...

...but I'm not gonna complain seeing as how I'm fairly sure the next time we got up against a Quasi-Deific avatar it will likely be Tiamat, and I don't think anyone could justify going up against that, surviving, and winning and not making the jump to Mythic.

If it was good enough for the Fourteen, it's good enough for the Companions.
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I'm really not sure what we have to do to get more Mythic ranks, honestly.

Even Lya won't be getting the Mythic rank for making the Harbinger, solely because she wasn't doing it on her own. So I'm kind of stumped.
 
Snowfire said:
I was just considering a permanent upgrade to the Snare, actually. Automagically aimed wands of Reached Shivering Touch spaced around the edge of the chamber, in range of the summoning circle, that we can fire as a free action.
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If we are doing expensive upgrades, I want 20 animated steam cannon, pointing inwards. Just in case we ever have a desperate neat to repaint the whole thing.
 
Duesal said:
I'm really not sure what we have to do to get more Mythic ranks, honestly.

Even Lya won't be getting the Mythic rank for making the Harbinger, solely because she wasn't doing it on her own. So I'm kind of stumped.
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The best way I figure it? If you lower the bar and turn the extraordinary into the merely mundane, as we have with creating a machine of death and war, strong enough to sunder armies, it's not worth a Mythic tier.

DP said something like that about something weighed in the scales of the hearts of man about how they would begin to view miracles. Once is divine. Twice is uncommon. Thee times and they expect it to be sold down at the local market before tomorrow's out.

It's the same with "legends", which is literally what Mythic Tiers are distilled from. It's the conceptual weight of your legend pressing down on the world in your wake, and it stems from intelligent thought and its effect upon the waking dream.

So Lya has to enchant something literally no one else could do, and she has to do it on her own, to build her legend up.

Basically, people have to not only believe that "a highly skilled mage with her resources and knowledge could make that" which we effectively prove by having some other people sub in to help build the Harbinger.

She has to make something that no one else could even conceive of, much less replicate.

A talking dragon is much less mind-boggling these days, and we're preceding its revelation with the open knowledge that we've rediscovered how to forge spellsteel.

Tl;Dr?

 
Considering things no one else can make.

I've seen ideas for a true second body for Lya thrown around, and even in omakes. Would that qualify i wonder?

Edit: while we're on the topic, what is the harbringer anyway? I've seen it mentioned, but seem to have missed the defining discussion on it.
 
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...I would still argue, that from what we know on her, binding Meraxes to our empire with a deal not unlike one with Syrax will benefit us more in the long run, than a possibility of sipping the orb to gain a Mythic Rank.

Our Legions would certainly appreciate the boost she'd give them, when they'll be reconquesting Westeros.
And, well, she's anti-Tiamat, so that's a reason in itself to raise her, IMO.

And she'd be another god for our pantheon.
Which means less influence for Burny and Seven, shich is very much a neccessary thing right now.
 
egoo said:
...I would still argue, that from what we know on her, binding Meraxes to our empire with a deal not unlike one with Syrax will benefit us more in the long run, than a possibility of sipping the orb to gain a Mythic Rank.

Our Legions would certainly appreciate the boost she'd give them, when they'll be reconquesting Westeros.
And, well, she's anti-Tiamat, so that's a reason in itself to raise her, IMO.

And she'd be another god for our pantheon.
Which means less influence for Burny and Seven, shich is very much a neccessary thing right now.
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She told us to find her in Valyria, so this is going to have to wait until the next expedition.
 
DragonParadox said:
Yeah it would take some very good arguments to have Viserys let Varys get out alive given the horrible things he has done. Cutting off the tongues of children and then killing them when they are no longer useful pushes Viserys' buttons really hard.
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This is personal too. He burned our docks with wildfire killing hundreds of our subjects :rage:
Well, it was the Illithid, but it was Varys that entertained the notion and paid them.

[X] Duesal
 
egoo said:
...I would still argue, that from what we know on her, binding Meraxes to our empire with a deal not unlike one with Syrax will benefit us more in the long run, than a possibility of sipping the orb to gain a Mythic Rank.

Our Legions would certainly appreciate the boost she'd give them, when they'll be reconquesting Westeros.
And, well, she's anti-Tiamat, so that's a reason in itself to raise her, IMO.

And she'd be another god for our pantheon.
Which means less influence for Burny and Seven, shich is very much a neccessary thing right now.
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Right now we don't need our superlatively loyal and adoring Legions to actively be worshiping someone who mainlines the stuff they give off like a former coke addict falling off the wagon again.

You want subverted military might?

That's how you get subverted military might.

They should have one "god", and its name is the Imperium.
 
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