Argh but i'm so conflicted. Finally a competent human opponent, and he goes and makes a deal with the rusty noodle, and the overgrown mutated lizard. I want to argue for keeping him, but see no way to give him even the smallest amount of trust.

Oh, he's not being let out of here. The only way he lives is as a permanent meat-puppet to the OGs, and if he dies we're feeding him to Yss.
 
While the amulet is a no-go, the Mind Blank ring is quite nice. What do y'all think of gifting it to Bloom?
Why not just have Bloodraven confirm that the hell-forged Mind Blank is safe from hell, then give it to the Varys simulacrum we're going to make? We need it on him right away, and it's not like we ever have extra Mind Blank rings on hand.
 
You know, I find myself increasingly wanting to Diplomance Varys. He's competent, useful, and seems to actually have ideals.
Maybe they're stupid ideals, but they exist. And that means that @we can do the "Lawful evil priority reorganisation" thing, and get him on our side!

Of course this requires knowing more about what his ideals actually are. Maybe they truly are incompatible with ours, but we can't be sure yet!

[X] Duesal
 
You know, I find myself increasingly wanting to Diplomance Varys. He's competent, useful, and seems to actually have ideals.
Maybe they're stupid ideals, but they exist. And that means that @we can do the "Lawful evil priority reorganisation" thing, and get him on our side!

Of course this requires knowing more about what his ideals actually are. Maybe they truly are incompatible with ours, but we can't be sure yet!

[X] Duesal

He is literally one of the key reasons for why Westeros is so utterly fucked up. It would be utterly OOC for Viserys to forgive him that, let alone everything else he's no-doubt been involved in.
 
He is literally one of the key reasons for why Westeros is so utterly fucked up. It would be utterly OOC for Viserys to forgive him that, let alone everything else he's no-doubt been involved in.
I'm not saying we forgive him - but maybe we could make use of him somehow? Bind him and incentivize him?
He's slippery, but we're pretty good too.
 
Oh, he's not being let out of here. The only way he lives is as a permanent meat-puppet to the OGs, and if he dies we're feeding him to Yss.

Yea, I thought it would be something like this. Keeping him around even as a prisoner could be somewhat helpful.

Perhaps he can be persuaded of Viserys superior schemes when he sees the results. I remain skeptical though.
 
I'm not saying we forgive him - but maybe we could make use of him somehow? Bind him and incentivize him?
He's slippery, but we're pretty good too.

We are going to make use of him. We're going to use some of his blood to make a Simulacrum to take his place. That's as much 'use' as I want from him.

Edit: You don't let competent enemies free, or try to bind them to your service. You wring them for everything you can get and then shoot them in the back of the head.

Twice.
 
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He is literally one of the key reasons for why Westeros is so utterly fucked up. It would be utterly OOC for Viserys to forgive him that, let alone everything else he's no-doubt been involved in.

Yeah it would take some very good arguments to have Viserys let Varys get out alive given the horrible things he has done. Cutting off the tongues of children and then killing them when they are no longer useful pushes Viserys' buttons really hard.
 
I'm not saying we forgive him - but maybe we could make use of him somehow? Bind him and incentivize him?
He's slippery, but we're pretty good too.
If you really wanted, we could make multiple Varys simulacrums. But he is never getting free. At the end of this, if he leaves Bloodraven's tree, it'll be to go straight to Yss.
We are going to make use of him. We're going to use some of his blood to make a Simulacrum to take his place. That's as much 'use' as I want from him.
Same. By the way, does a person need to be alive to make a simulacrum of them? Because if not, I want a leg.
 
Yeah it would take some very good arguments to have Viserys let Varys get out alive given the horrible things he has done. Cutting off the tongues of children and then killing them when they are no longer useful pushes Viserys' buttons really hard.

To put this another way, Varys is much like us if Viserys was even more paranoid, had no friends, and therefore had descended into the circular logic paranoia pit of "Any means justify my end."

He's a monster, and not one we'll ever be able to tame. You don't raise those up, you remove them.
 
We are going to make use of him. We're going to use some of his blood to make a Simulacrum to take his place. That's as much 'use' as I want from him.

Edit: You don't let competent enemies free, or try to bind them to your service. You wring them for everything you can get and then shoot them in the back of the head.

Twice.

That clearly doesn't work.

Ask Contessa. :V
 
No, nevah. Varys is too dangerous to be left alive! Feed him to the snek. And hope that's enough.
 
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